A dispute between a JAF (Japan Automobile Federation) staffer’s car, which had stopped short of a railroad crossing, and the car behind it — which allegedly closed the gap and tried to force its way past — has become a hot topic on 5ch. Police say they found no evidence of tailgating, but some posters argue the front car pulled forward just as the crossing gates were coming down, splitting opinion over which driver bears the greater fault. The debate has since spread to who would ultimately be on the hook for damages owed to the railway company.
You don't get to enter the crossing just because the car in front of you stopped, come on.
There was plenty of road width to swing into the oncoming lane and just pass him — that's all it would've taken.
Sounds more like he got pissed off at being stopped and decided to get out of his car and make a scene.
Sounds more like he got pissed off at being stopped and decided to get out of his car and make a scene.
>>14
Is there an actual source for that?
Or is that just your personal take?
Is there an actual source for that?
Or is that just your personal take?
Was he even being tailgated for real?
Or is he just being paranoid?
Or is he just being paranoid?
>>17
Even if he was, entering a railroad crossing while the car ahead is stopped is the abnormal move here.
Even if he was, entering a railroad crossing while the car ahead is stopped is the abnormal move here.
"Stop right after clearing the crossing — maybe I can trap him in there"
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Thinking about this calmly, this is way too messed up…
Doesn't sound like a sane state of mind to be in.
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Thinking about this calmly, this is way too messed up…
Doesn't sound like a sane state of mind to be in.
>>23
Guess he never imagined the guy behind him could be that stupid.
Guess he never imagined the guy behind him could be that stupid.
👮 "We found no evidence of the tailgating the JAF guy is claiming."
👮 "After reviewing the dashcam footage, the car pulled forward right as the crossing gate finished coming down, so we're treating this as attempted murder."
And there's your answer.
👮 "After reviewing the dashcam footage, the car pulled forward right as the crossing gate finished coming down, so we're treating this as attempted murder."
And there's your answer.
>>36
Thanks, officer.
Thanks, officer.
The police's ruling doesn't even matter
The real question is liability for damages to the railway company
and that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train.
The real question is liability for damages to the railway company
and that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train.
>>38
>that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train
Wow, what beautiful Japanese (mocking how garbled/awkward that sentence reads).
>that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train
Wow, what beautiful Japanese (mocking how garbled/awkward that sentence reads).
>>38
Wonder how this one's gonna shake out
Watching this closely since it could set precedent for fault ratios in cases where you crash while swerving around an illegally parked car.
Wonder how this one's gonna shake out
Watching this closely since it could set precedent for fault ratios in cases where you crash while swerving around an illegally parked car.
Well, tailgating him all the way up to the crossing itself pretty much proves he was tailgating, right?
If you're driving normally, you don't enter a crossing when there's no room ahead of you.
If you're driving normally, you don't enter a crossing when there's no room ahead of you.
>>47
Tailgating aside, riding someone's bumper into a railroad crossing isn't something a normal driver does.
Tailgating aside, riding someone's bumper into a railroad crossing isn't something a normal driver does.
Isn't the guy who barrels in the one at fault here, when the car ahead might've simply broken down and stopped like normal?
>>51
If it's just a breakdown, you can steer around it or deal with it somehow, you know
Maybe not you, though.
If it's just a breakdown, you can steer around it or deal with it somehow, you know
Maybe not you, though.
Now that the police have ruled out tailgating, the JAF guy's story is falling apart
You guys lost.
You guys lost.
>>60
Who exactly are you even arguing with at this point?
Who exactly are you even arguing with at this point?
https://jaf.or.jp/common/kuruma-qa/category-trouble/subcategory-support/faq287
[Q] What should I do if I'm the victim of tailgating ("aori unten")?
[A] Take refuge somewhere that seems safe and has plenty of witnesses around, like a parking lot.
JAF's own Q&A page says this, and yet a veteran staffer went and pulled a stunt this far out of line…
[Q] What should I do if I'm the victim of tailgating ("aori unten")?
[A] Take refuge somewhere that seems safe and has plenty of witnesses around, like a parking lot.
JAF's own Q&A page says this, and yet a veteran staffer went and pulled a stunt this far out of line…
>>63
He probably wanted the train passengers to witness it.
He probably wanted the train passengers to witness it.
Front car gets indicted for attempted murder
Rear car gets their license revoked for obstructive driving
Yeah, this is how it ends.
Rear car gets their license revoked for obstructive driving
Yeah, this is how it ends.
>>66
Guess judgment's coming down on both of them.
Guess judgment's coming down on both of them.
JAF's guy being in the wrong, sure, fair enough — but the tailgater who wouldn't keep a safe following distance playing the victim? Can't accept that.
>>78
Feels like we haven't actually heard much from the "victim's" side — did he actually play the victim card?
Feels like we haven't actually heard much from the "victim's" side — did he actually play the victim card?
>>78
Tailgating still hasn't even been confirmed, you know.
Tailgating still hasn't even been confirmed, you know.
Under the Road Traffic Act, you're not allowed to enter a railroad crossing unless you can confirm it's safe to get all the way through
100% on the car behind.
100% on the car behind.
>>93
>100% on the car behind
What is??? (huh, come again???)
>100% on the car behind
What is??? (huh, come again???)
>>93
Going by traffic law alone, sure, but since he deliberately parked himself inside the crossing and held things up, both of them are getting dinged for this.
Going by traffic law alone, sure, but since he deliberately parked himself inside the crossing and held things up, both of them are getting dinged for this.
>>93
The JAF staffer also broke the rule against stopping within 10 meters of a crossing — don't just conveniently ignore that.
The JAF staffer also broke the rule against stopping within 10 meters of a crossing — don't just conveniently ignore that.
>>103
Front car: attempted murder charge
But damages owed to the railway: 100% on the rear car.
Front car: attempted murder charge
But damages owed to the railway: 100% on the rear car.
>>107
Yeah, that's probably how the damages side shakes out.
Yeah, that's probably how the damages side shakes out.
>>107
Hope it goes that way.
Hope it goes that way.
Man, people on this board are genuinely scary
The damages claim would land on the front car too, you know.
The damages claim would land on the front car too, you know.
>>114
People arguing from pure emotion with zero knowledge of the law or the rules are the scary ones.
People arguing from pure emotion with zero knowledge of the law or the rules are the scary ones.
>>114
Doesn't seem like there's solid enough grounds to state that so confidently
If anything, there's actual grounds for the "victim" to be billed for damages instead
though the railway company probably won't bother going after them.
Doesn't seem like there's solid enough grounds to state that so confidently
If anything, there's actual grounds for the "victim" to be billed for damages instead
though the railway company probably won't bother going after them.
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Who’s really at fault — the JAF staffer who stopped at the crossing, or the “victim” who closed the gap behind him?“.
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