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The story
A photo of a bargain-basement apartment in central Tokyo — rent: just ¥50,000 a month — was posted to 5ch and blew up, with commenters declaring it had “crossed a line.”
The thread didn’t stop at gawking over the unit’s tiny size and bare-bones amenities. It spiraled into arguments over what actually counts as the “city center” in Nagoya, Osaka, and other cities, plus comparisons of Japan’s dirt-cheap rents against the cost of living overseas.
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What people said
I wouldn't want to live in Nagoya even if it meant going that far
Yabacho is the city center if anywhere is
Even in Osaka and Nagoya, people call downtown the "toshin" (city center) too
"Nagoya-to"? lol
Don't tell me Nagoya's also throwing its hat in for that embarrassing "secondary capital" bid too, lol
Stop embarrassing yourself further
"Toshin" gets used for Fukuoka and Sapporo too
Those aren't capitals though, lol
The "to" in "toshin" isn't the "Tokyo-to" kind of "to" — it just means "capital/city," so as a word it can refer to the center of any city in general.
As everyday usage: "Osaka toshin," "Nagoya toshin," "Fukuoka toshin" are all completely normal. Nobody blinks at this for any city on the scale of a government-designated city.
As urban-planning jargon: "toshin/fuku-toshin" (city center/sub-center) serve as the translation for "CBD" (central business district), and regardless of a city's size, terms like "toshin-bu" and "toshin kyoten" show up in official city-planning master plans and location optimization plans.
Sorry, you lose.
Why do people think ¥50,000 gets you a livable room?
But that's also a ¥5,000-an-hour minimum wage place
and they don't even travel abroad anymore
and they probably don't even realize Japan's cost of living has dropped to developing-country levels (lol)
in other developed countries, lunch already runs $20-35 (¥3,000-5,000) as standard.
In Japan it's still $6 (¥1,000), sometimes even $5 (¥800).
Genuinely embarrassing how far behind the rest of the world we've fallen, lmao
This wouldn't even work as storage
What even is this…
That stain on the floor up front 😧
In countries where the cost of living is genuinely high,
the streets are full of homeless people.
Well, of course they are —
rent is absurdly expensive, so the people at the bottom end up homeless or living out of their cars.
It's just basic logic.
You wrote it yourself in Re: #43 and Re: #45 —
better to help the people at the bottom than to widen the gap, that's what actually buys you more time
If it's got a shower and toilet, I'd live there
Same take honestly.
Well, only for my student years — the bath/toilet situation still bugs me though
It's the city center, no doubt — it's got Parco, Matsuzakaya, Mitsukoshi, all right there
they're the ones yelling "don't raise prices, keep it as it is, for our sake."
And you're gonna go along with that? lol
The cheap-prices-for-everyone society those old folks want
only works by squeezing labor costs down —
meaning a society where working-age people keep grinding forever with no raises.
No thanks, seriously lol
The policy's already shifted to holding the line on social security spending while letting inflation do the work, and that phase is over now, so calm down
Background and Key Points
Central Tokyo’s rents look like typos to anyone comparing them against global capitals, and that gap is the real subject here, even though the thread mostly gawks at photos.
Background: Tokyo’s 23 wards have a huge stock of aging, tiny “1R” (one-room) units built for the pre-bubble and bubble-era single-occupant market, many under 10㎡, often with shared or minimal bath facilities. Landlords keep these on the market at rock-bottom rents (¥29,000–50,000, roughly $200-350) because Japan’s rental law makes eviction hard and vacancy is a bigger loss than low rent, so decades-old buildings just get discounted rather than renovated or torn down. This coexists with Japan’s broader wage stagnation: real wages have been flat for 20+ years, so cheap housing is one side of the same coin as cheap lunches and a weak yen — not a sign of abundance, but of a low-cost-of-living equilibrium.
What the thread actually split on is not the apartment itself but what counts as a city’s “toshin” (city center) — commenters argued over whether Nagoya’s core neighborhoods qualify, with one poster laying out the linguistic and urban-planning distinction between “toshin” as everyday usage (any city’s downtown) versus “Tokyo-to” as the capital’s formal designation. That semantic derail ate up more of the thread than the original photo.
What readers will likely miss: the ¥50,000 unit isn’t representative of Tokyo rents generally — it reflects a shrinking pool of substandard, hard-to-rent stock, not a market-wide price level. Posters citing Japan’s low passport-ownership rate (~17%) as proof of insularity is a real, oft-cited statistic, but it’s tangential — it explains why few posters had first-hand comparisons to cite, not why rents are actually low.
*This article excerpts and summarizes the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G / “Live Commentary General” board) thread “[Image] ¥50,000 Rent in Central Tokyo Seriously Crosses a Line WWWWWWWWWWWWW.”
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