Street Fighter 6 tournaments have seen a string of wins by little-known young players, and it’s become a hot topic on 5ch. Some in the thread argued “it’s no fun without recognizable names,” while others got swept up in talk about the veterans’ generational shift — what Kokujin is up to these days, Umehara’s recent form, and the shock news of pro player Shou’s sudden retirement.
It's boring if the guy with actual name value doesn't win, right?
Tokido and Kokujin — how did the gap between them get this big?
>>7
I haven't followed the fighting game scene in over 10 years — what's Kokujin even doing now?
I remember he started making and selling his own T-shirts.
I haven't followed the fighting game scene in over 10 years — what's Kokujin even doing now?
I remember he started making and selling his own T-shirts.
>>35
These days he can't even crack the top 500 in the in-game rating.
These days he can't even crack the top 500 in the in-game rating.
Young players winning is a good thing, isn't it?
>>12
That's not the point — what's boring is when it's just nerds winning.
Street Fighter 2 got popular with the general public precisely because it was simple. It's a shame when it shrinks back down to just otaku huddled together arguing over who won.
That's not the point — what's boring is when it's just nerds winning.
Street Fighter 2 got popular with the general public precisely because it was simple. It's a shame when it shrinks back down to just otaku huddled together arguing over who won.
>>19
The guys who win tournaments have always been otaku though.
The guys who win tournaments have always been otaku though.
There are tons of cases where some rookie wins using whatever character is busted at the time, everyone hypes it up as a "new era," and then after the balance patch they quietly slide down to upper-mid tier.
The ones with real staying power are the guys who back up decent results with an actual character/persona — like being known as "the ○○ user."
The ones with real staying power are the guys who back up decent results with an actual character/persona — like being known as "the ○○ user."
>>13
Being able to switch characters like Fuudo or Momochi is really the best.
Being able to switch characters like Fuudo or Momochi is really the best.
Umehara, Mago, and Sako just can't keep up with Street Fighter 6's system anymore.
>>14
Street Fighter 6's system is simple though?
Street Fighter 6's system is simple though?
>>14
Mago's basically comic relief at this point, but Sako's current situation is genuinely sad.
Mago's basically comic relief at this point, but Sako's current situation is genuinely sad.
It's good to see Japanese players showing up.
Tekken's basically been overrun by Pakistan these days.
Tekken's basically been overrun by Pakistan these days.
>>15
That's just you — someone with nothing going for yourself — projecting onto Japanese developers and Japanese otaku.
That's just you — someone with nothing going for yourself — projecting onto Japanese developers and Japanese otaku.
>>15
Demon Slayer and Hunter x Hunter are basically a Japanese monopoly.
Well, more the "Heihoo" clique than "Japanese" broadly speaking (a nickname for a specific circle of Japanese players).
Demon Slayer and Hunter x Hunter are basically a Japanese monopoly.
Well, more the "Heihoo" clique than "Japanese" broadly speaking (a nickname for a specific circle of Japanese players).
Nobody even remembers them anymore —
guys like Shinjuku Jackie or Bunbunmaru.
guys like Shinjuku Jackie or Bunbunmaru.
>>23
It's less that people forgot and more that they never knew.
You'd have to be in your 50s to recognize those names.
It's less that people forgot and more that they never knew.
You'd have to be in your 50s to recognize those names.
>>23
Bunbunmaru's showdowns against the Osaka crew were electric.
Bunbunmaru's showdowns against the Osaka crew were electric.
Wasn't there a guy who switched over from FPS and won Capcom Cup after just a year, pocketing a hundred million yen?
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that some random young newcomer wins over people who've grinded fighting games for decades? 🥺
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that some random young newcomer wins over people who've grinded fighting games for decades? 🥺
>>30
Happy but sad.
Happy but sad.
Fighting games are such a small scene, and it's basically a paradise for Japanese players, so even some old geezer can still win now and then.
But if Capcom keeps paying out real prize money, more pro gamers will keep transferring in from other scenes —
just like how Korean LoL rejects moved to Overwatch, and the Overwatch rejects moved to Apex.
But if Capcom keeps paying out real prize money, more pro gamers will keep transferring in from other scenes —
just like how Korean LoL rejects moved to Overwatch, and the Overwatch rejects moved to Apex.
>>34
Even back when I last paid attention, like 10 years ago, China/Korea were already stronger at KOF, Southeast Asia at Tekken, and America at Street Fighter 5.
Japanese players could basically only win in minor titles like Samurai Spirits, Vampire Savior, or Capcom vs. SNK — games where it felt like the organizers rigged things so Japan could come out on top.
I bet even Guilty Gear has America on top by now.
Even back when I last paid attention, like 10 years ago, China/Korea were already stronger at KOF, Southeast Asia at Tekken, and America at Street Fighter 5.
Japanese players could basically only win in minor titles like Samurai Spirits, Vampire Savior, or Capcom vs. SNK — games where it felt like the organizers rigged things so Japan could come out on top.
I bet even Guilty Gear has America on top by now.
It got popular thanks to Kuzuha, but honestly it's just not that fun.
>>45
Ma-ma-ma-maaan~ (a mocking jab riffing on 5ch slang that paints the poster as thin-skinned)
Ma-ma-ma-maaan~ (a mocking jab riffing on 5ch slang that paints the poster as thin-skinned)
Apparently some ridiculously strong, good-looking player who was supposed to carry the whole scene forward just suddenly retired.
>>61
That's Shou.
Great looks too.
That's Shou.
Great looks too.
Isn't this exactly what Umehara and the others wanted, though?
Back in the Street Fighter 5 days he was lamenting that fighting games were a dying genre where no young blood ever comes in and guys in their 40s like himself were still the top ranks.
Back in the Street Fighter 5 days he was lamenting that fighting games were a dying genre where no young blood ever comes in and guys in their 40s like himself were still the top ranks.
>>64
Umehara's basically become the "Hiroyuki of the fighting game world" by now (a once-sharp figure turned polarizing elder pundit) — people still worship him?
Umehara's basically become the "Hiroyuki of the fighting game world" by now (a once-sharp figure turned polarizing elder pundit) — people still worship him?
My ID changed for some reason, but I'm the same guy from >>64 — just answering that.
I'm not a fanboy at all.
I was watching one of Dokura's "worst characters" videos and a clip of Umehara fretting about the future of fighting games showed up in the recommendations, so I only watched it out of curiosity.
I was watching one of Dokura's "worst characters" videos and a clip of Umehara fretting about the future of fighting games showed up in the recommendations, so I only watched it out of curiosity.
>>74
Why's this guy suddenly trying to defend himself?
Why's this guy suddenly trying to defend himself?
>>74
Nobody was calling you a fanboy in the first place.
Nobody was calling you a fanboy in the first place.
It's not that Umehara has a bad matchup or hasn't hit his ceiling yet —
he's simply weaker than the top tier now.
It's not even one specific weakness; it's more like every single one of his abilities is just a notch below the top players, which is kind of sad.
he's simply weaker than the top tier now.
It's not even one specific weakness; it's more like every single one of his abilities is just a notch below the top players, which is kind of sad.
>>91
He just can't keep up with Street Fighter 6's gameplay mechanics.
He just can't keep up with Street Fighter 6's gameplay mechanics.
>>91
He wasn't exactly mentally tough to begin with, and now he's saying unnecessary stuff on stream, making needless enemies, and basically cornering himself.
He wasn't exactly mentally tough to begin with, and now he's saying unnecessary stuff on stream, making needless enemies, and basically cornering himself.
Honestly, whether it's Umehara or Tokido or whoever — if you're going to call yourself a pro, you should be running your own weekly tournaments to help grow the playerbase.
I get that results don't always come in tournaments, but it's not like they're living off tournament winnings alone.
They make their living streaming, yet all they stream is ranked matches.
I get that results don't always come in tournaments, but it's not like they're living off tournament winnings alone.
They make their living streaming, yet all they stream is ranked matches.
>>102
What's the logic behind "running your own tournament grows the playerbase"?
What's the logic behind "running your own tournament grows the playerbase"?
>>103
Just showing yourself having fun running your own little tournament is promotion in itself — people see it and think "oh, that looks fun."
Of course you can't just have the same regulars entering every time, but if you don't put out a "this is fun, anyone come join!" vibe, the playerbase isn't going to grow.
Just showing yourself having fun running your own little tournament is promotion in itself — people see it and think "oh, that looks fun."
Of course you can't just have the same regulars entering every time, but if you don't put out a "this is fun, anyone come join!" vibe, the playerbase isn't going to grow.
>>108
You're probably better off just ignoring that guy.
Well then… see ya…
You're probably better off just ignoring that guy.
Well then… see ya…
>>108
You expect the top pros in the industry to do that?
I don't know what dead-game scene you're pulling that from, but I've never heard of a single major game where the top pros run their own grassroots tournaments like that.
You expect the top pros in the industry to do that?
I don't know what dead-game scene you're pulling that from, but I've never heard of a single major game where the top pros run their own grassroots tournaments like that.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Anything Live G) thread “Street Fighter 6 is finished now that nobody-name newcomers keep winning.”
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