Angerme Members Who Never Graduated at 25? 5ch: “I Wanted to See Kasahara & Funaki as Leader and Sub-Leader”

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The story

A thread popped up on 5ch’s Hello! Project board imagining a hypothetical lineup where Angerme members never graduated at 25. With Sasaki (25) as leader, Kasahara (22) as sub-leader, and Funaki (24), Ise (22), and Hashisako (21) all still in the group, commenters responded that “they could easily hold their own.” Meanwhile, opinion split over whether Funaki’s departure was tied to Country Girls’ disbandment or was her own choice, and the thread spiraled into an age debate over the claim that “an idol’s peak is 23-28, so graduating at 25 is way too early.”

What people said

1AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:37
Quite a lineup
Sasaki (25) – Leader
Kasahara (22) – Sub-leader
5AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:42
Re: #2
She's excluded — regardless of her own wishes, that departure was over a scandal
18AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:53
Re: #5
Wasn't it the same for Funaki, though? Country Girls got torn apart against her will, so she left Hello! Project entirely because of that, right?
9AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:44
If Sasaki and Funaki were still around, Ise would end up a strong member too
10AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:45
Sasaki (25) – Leader
Kasahara (22) – Sub-leader
Funaki (24)

Having them still here is huge
Feels like with this lineup, Ise and Hashisako would've grown into their own properly too
11AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:45
But Kasahara probably wouldn't have turned into the Kasahara she is today
13AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:48
Ise (22)
Hashisako (21)
Kawana (22)
Tamenaga (22)

That's not bad at all
They could've done a string of back-to-back graduations as a highlight for the big-venue shows
14AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:49
I really wanted to see Kasahara and Funaki as leader and sub-leader
The group wouldn't have ended up as soft as it is now
15AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:50
Huh, so Ise could actually have three more years left
16AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:51
Kasahara, Ise, Tamenaga, and Kawana are all from the 23-year-old generation, so realistically they've got about 2 more years
17AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:52
These days there's a chance they stay on until 27 or 28
20AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:56
Re: #18
The point is whether she was able to make that choice to quit of her own free will
41AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:23
Re: #20
Ota's initial hiatus was forced on her too, but I think what came after that was left up to her
21AnonymousOct 11, 2026 08:59
Sasaki (25) – Leader
Kasahara (22) – Sub-leader
Funaki (24)
Ise (22)
Hashisako (21)
Kawana (22)
Matsumoto (19)
Hirayama (20)
Goto (18)
Nagano (16)
22AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:00
Re: #21
This lineup could easily hold its own
25AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:03
It's such a shame to think we could've watched the 🐹 and 🦐 (member nicknames) banter for six more years at least
26AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:04
When the mid-tier members leave early, it really does come back to bite the group later
27AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:06
Same deal in regular companies and sports teams alike
If the layer meant to step up after the veterans decline and leave is too thin, the remaining young members alone can't make it work
28AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:08
Thought "what about Aikawa Maho" — oh right, she's 27
29AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:11
Honestly Hello! Project members quit way too early in general
Once you factor in experience, skill, stamina, and even having enough room left over to play around on stage
however you slice it the peak runs from about 23 to 30
but they quit before even reaching that prime zone
and then once the strongest members in that zone leave, inexperienced middle-schoolers come in to fill the gap
you need prime-zone members and rookies coexisting, or it gets rough
33AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:18
Re: #29
They just don't want to be around each other
40AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:22
Re: #29
🙅‍♀ It's not Hello! Project that quits too early
🙆‍♀ It's Angerme that quits too early
31AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:15
Now that Hashisako's graduation is set, the scariest scenario going forward is Wakanya (member nickname) being next to leave
32AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:17
Wakanya has to stay active until the time capsule opening ceremony, so
she needs to stick around for another 7 or 8 years
36AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:20
Thinking about who takes on the leadership role next, losing Hashisako or Matsumoto would really hurt
Hirayama has the qualities too, but her chronic condition and absences are too much of a liability
37AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:20
Well, you all love the young ones, don't you
38AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:21
But when an older junior joins, you all just bash the younger members until they quit
39AnonymousOct 11, 2026 09:22
Solid lineup to stand opposite Juice=Juice, no complaints there
No weak links from the veterans down to the rookies
Wish they'd bring in a big batch of new members soon to shore things up
Ise is doing great
43AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:00
Guess all that's left is drowning in fantasies of "what if Angerme had turned out like this" — rough life for Angerme fans
44AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:01
Re: #41
Lol, you're really not letting this go
You've lost, so just give it up already
45AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:03
While fans sneered about "old hags hogging the spotlight," even the members they actually needed ran off, and the whole thing fell apart
46AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:06
Quitting at 25 was fine back in the day, back in the day

The idol scene now is different — the minimum bar you have to clear has gone up, and there's more of it
Back then, unison dancing didn't even need to be that intense
Now times have changed and there's more to do
Simply put, being an idol isn't easy anymore

So it inevitably takes longer to reach that level
47AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:07
Graduating right as you finally learn how to put on a real stage show
In this day and age that just seems dumb, honestly
Like, the next 2-3 years are supposed to be your prime
Dragging the group's skill level way down by bringing in 13-year-olds
and ending up with a lineup that has nothing going for it but youth is just dumb
because youth alone is easy to get even from underground idol groups
you could just recruit elementary schoolers for that

the sheer effort it takes to develop someone over 10 years…
48AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:09
Seasoned members like OCHA and Beyooooonds (nicknames/groups) have been looking really good lately
49AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:12
I don't think it's right that Fruits Zipper has a 29-year-old idol on hiatus, though
What's the deal with staying an idol past the "right age" until you finally get popular and pull it together?
If it were more of an artist path like Perfume, I'd get it, but…
50AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:14
Having a peak around 23 to 28 is similar to other sports too
Graduating before that, in this day and age,
is unthinkable if you actually put the group first
Like, what's Sasaki Rikako even doing now?
Those just feel like two wasted years to me
52AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:17
Maybe it's because thinking she's "past the right age" is a minority view
These days being an idol in your late 20s is normal, and idols that age are actually easier to support even for fans new to oshi culture
53AnonymousOct 11, 2026 10:19
Rikako's been looking bored lately though
Quitting was probably a mistake, huh

Background and Key Points of This Topic

Angerme has publicly maintained a “graduate at 25” internal rule since the group’s formation, known as a unique policy not shared by any other Hello! Project group. This thread is simply a what-if game imagining a lineup had that rule never existed — it is not a report on any actual graduation announcement or agency policy. Opinions split over whether past departures from Hello! Project were made “by the member’s own choice” or were “beyond their control,” a point that’s open to interpretation. There’s also the recurring clash among Hello! Project fans between those who place an idol’s “peak age” at 23-28 and those who support the 25-year-old retirement rule — ultimately a disagreement over how to judge a group’s turnover.

*This article is an excerpt and summary based on the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “The world where Angerme members didn’t graduate until 25.”

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