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A tracking study by researchers at Columbia University and others has been making waves on 5ch’s News Speed+ board. The researchers followed people for 14 days who insisted they weren’t losing weight despite eating under 1,200 kcal a day — and found their actual calorie intake averaged 47% higher than what they reported, with one person who claimed 1,028 kcal actually consuming 2,081 kcal. The thread mixed astonishment (“if you can get fat eating that little, the human body is way too energy-efficient”) with skepticism (“maybe people are underreporting, whether unconsciously or on purpose”), and the discussion spun off into debates over actual meal plans and whether calorie restriction even works.
Why isn’t the weight coming off? Because patients who said they couldn’t lose weight had, on individual average, underreported their actual food intake by 47%. While claiming 1,028 kcal a day, they were actually eating 2,081 kcal
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What people said
Kazu Lazer's (a Japanese comedian) comedy partner barely eats but still gains weight
Probably has extremely high nutrient absorption, or just burns very little energy
Rough deal these days, but back in the old days that'd be a god-tier trait
Nowadays people are more grateful for the garçonne (French for slim, boyish-figured women) types who can eat anything and not absorb/gain weight
Back in the day he'd probably have starved to death fast
Or maybe he just doesn't die even without eating?
That's just your stomach bloating, not real fat
Back when I was in triple digits (100+ kg) and lifting weights,
I kept losing weight
even eating 3000 kcal a day
It's like they're walking around carrying dumbbells all the time
But it wrecks your lower back
The belly fat pushes down until the bones can't take it anymore
Meal 1: 2 slices of bread or instant ramen
Dinner: 200g rice, a side dish (130g meat, some vegetables), natto
Snacks: 2 cups of coffee and about 3 cookies
I don't drink juice or alcohol
You should eat something like the meal in this picture
https://image-tm.s2mr.jp/i/original/1788314260643.jpeg
Not bad, but being able to sit down and eat that calmly is a real luxury. The price isn't high though.
Way too much rice
Way too little 🍖 meat
'Eat and lose weight'
Any functional food claiming that is 100% a scam
That much is crystal clear
Breakfast: udon & rice balls
Lunch: ramen & fried rice
Dinner: soba & curry
That's the opposite
Isn't a 'carb diet' supposed to mean cutting carbs?
For dinner that's basically just a drink
Yeah, it means cutting them
I think it's actually pretty risky and you have to follow the rules properly
You just need to cut back normally
Idiots go to the extreme of eating zero carbs, which is what wrecks their health
That's the thing where if you run a calorie deficit, your muscle wastes away
That's plenty
Protein isn't something you can only get from meat, you know
On top of meat and fish, you're also eating eggs and soybeans
Brown rice would be fine, but some people just can't eat it
In the end there's no other way
If you want to lose weight healthily, the latter is the only real choice
Cutting even one bite of rice is equivalent to a decent amount of walking, so in practice restricting food intake is more effective
I don't gain much weight even when I eat yakiniku
Sounds like the yakiniku diet
Or do they lie because they're fat?
It's less 'liar' and more 'vain'
At this level, plenty of people fudge the truth regardless of body type
Specialist doctors and the elite bureaucrats at the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare recommend a balanced diet
No point in you objecting to that
(lol)
I'm not objecting to anything
Just stating my preference lol
Happiness is just the ceiling of the world you personally know
If curry and ramen didn't exist in this world
you simply wouldn't crave them
Endlessly stoking desire
and then having it 'always within reach' — that's the problem
We need to wake up to that
The more delicious things there are, the more the misery of restraining yourself from them keeps multiplying endlessly
That's pretty much the truth, and honestly kind of obvious
I feel like a lot of extremely overweight people are just soft on themselves and dishonest
Bet that coffee isn't black
Maybe about 5 liters per cup
The total amount of sugar, milk, syrup, etc. was never mentioned
That's rich, coming from someone who's said she uses the rice cooker itself as her bowl — and eats two of those
Easily obtainable pleasures are running completely unchecked
Endlessly bingeable videos, addictive fun games
Food that's too delicious for its own health consequences
Drugs get regulated, but plenty of things that endlessly stoke pleasure go completely unregulated
A society that lines up pleasures right in front of you and then tells you to resist them — we need to recognize that's actually the unhappy society
5ch itself is basically an unregulated digital drug too lol
The more you use it, the more of a socially awkward idiot you become, yet you end up feeling like you've gotten smarter
Background and key points of this discussion
Underreporting in self-reported dietary surveys is a phenomenon long known in the field of nutrition science, with prior research noting that the gap between reported and actual intake tends to widen for heavier individuals. What stands out about this new study from Columbia University and others is that it pinned down that gap concretely through 14 days of tracking. Reactions in the thread were split: some suspected individual differences in metabolism or absorption efficiency, while others argued the self-reports themselves were simply inaccurate. One point worth keeping in mind is that the gap between reported and actual intake isn’t necessarily deliberate deception — cases where people unconsciously overlook the calories in snacks, drinks, and seasonings are said to be common, so this isn’t something that can simply be chalked up to “lying.” Findings like this highlight just how hard it is to rely on self-reported calorie counts alone.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Tracking People Who Say They’re “Obese Despite Eating Under 1,200 kcal a Day” for 14 Days — The Reason They Can’t Lose Weight Is… Research from Columbia University and Others.”
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