In August, a residential-type paid nursing home in Tokyo abruptly hiked its monthly fee from ¥100,000 to ¥300,000. Because the facility also houses patients with terminal cancer and intractable diseases, the news sent shockwaves through the community. On 5ch, defenders arguing “¥100,000 was too cheap to begin with” clashed with critics slamming the hike as “way too sudden.” The discussion soon expanded into land prices and labor costs in central Tokyo, and even the uncertain future of Japan’s social safety net for the elderly.
Aug 23 (Sun), 6:00 AM
The Asahi Shimbun
In August, a residential-type paid nursing home in Tokyo tripled its usage fee — from ¥100,000 a month to ¥300,000. The facility houses patients with terminal cancer and intractable diseases.
Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
All they care about is making money.
>>6
CEO: "Guess I'll expense a Rolls-Royce now" *smirk*
CEO: "Guess I'll expense a Rolls-Royce now" *smirk*
Wasn't ¥100k/month kind of cheap for a residential-type care home in Tokyo, though?
>>11
It's normal that you can't get decent medical or nursing care in Tokyo at that price.
Labor and building costs are just too high here.
Honestly it's weirder that public facilities can operate within insurance-covered rates without subsidies from the local government or the state.
It's normal that you can't get decent medical or nursing care in Tokyo at that price.
Labor and building costs are just too high here.
Honestly it's weirder that public facilities can operate within insurance-covered rates without subsidies from the local government or the state.
Expecting them to keep looking after old people for ¥100k a month was an unreasonable ask.
>>19
Care is billed separately. The ¥100k was just rent and management fees.
Care is billed separately. The ¥100k was just rent and management fees.
>>19
If you're caring for a bedridden family member at home, the local government only gives you ¥100k a *year* — and only if you actually apply for it.
If you're caring for a bedridden family member at home, the local government only gives you ¥100k a *year* — and only if you actually apply for it.
Could they even run the place on ¥100k in the first place?
>>25
It's just a studio room with a toilet and sink. ¥100k sounds about right to me.
It's just a studio room with a toilet and sink. ¥100k sounds about right to me.
>>1
This is what a country looks like once the social safety net Japanese people wanted disappears.
Meanwhile, medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
Scary stuff.
This is what a country looks like once the social safety net Japanese people wanted disappears.
Meanwhile, medical bills are the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
Scary stuff.
>>36
So this is the society the "Unification–LDP Alliance" is aiming for! (a 5ch nickname mocking the ruling party's alleged ties to the Unification Church)
So this is the society the "Unification–LDP Alliance" is aiming for! (a 5ch nickname mocking the ruling party's alleged ties to the Unification Church)
Pulling stuff like a shady Chinese landlord, lmao ("grass" = lol)
>>41
Isn't this just for new residents? Sounds like they mainly take in terminal patients, so turnover must be brutal anyway.
Isn't this just for new residents? Sounds like they mainly take in terminal patients, so turnover must be brutal anyway.
>>41
This is the inflation-driven society everyone wanted. I told you we should've just stuck with deflation.
This is the inflation-driven society everyone wanted. I told you we should've just stuck with deflation.
Does it even need to be in Tokyo? Just build it somewhere cheap.
>>65
Apparently even if you build a luxury nursing home somewhere like Awa-Kamogawa in Chiba, the elderly residents end up leaving anyway.
Apparently even if you build a luxury nursing home somewhere like Awa-Kamogawa in Chiba, the elderly residents end up leaving anyway.
It's not really a Tokyo-specific thing though — it's expensive out in the countryside too.
>>66
Tokyo real estate costs should just get passed on in the price. Convenient locations everyone wants have to be expensive.
Tokyo real estate costs should just get passed on in the price. Convenient locations everyone wants have to be expensive.
If ¥100k a month included meals and all sorts of other services, that was an insanely good deal. The hike seems fair, no?
>>67
Sudden price hike → ordinary people can't afford to move in → society falls apart.
Sudden price hike → ordinary people can't afford to move in → society falls apart.
Childless, single members of the Employment Ice Age generation (氷河期, Japan's lost generation of the 1990s–2000s job market) have no choice but to just die alone — we're entering an era where you can't get into a home even with ¥300 million saved for retirement.
>>70
Expecting to be taken care of in old age is a spoiled mindset only the pampered Baby Boomer generation (団塊世代) still clings to.
Anyone from the Ice Age generation on down grew up in brutal conditions — we're already resigned to dying alone in a ditch.
Expecting to be taken care of in old age is a spoiled mindset only the pampered Baby Boomer generation (団塊世代) still clings to.
Anyone from the Ice Age generation on down grew up in brutal conditions — we're already resigned to dying alone in a ditch.
Makes me wonder if the people here saying "it's unavoidable" or "it used to be cheap" would still say the same thing once they're the ones who actually need the care.
>>91
At the very least, I'm not planning on getting care in Tokyo.
At the very least, I'm not planning on getting care in Tokyo.
All that's left is to turn the countryside into a modern-day Obasuteyama (the legendary mountain where the elderly were once abandoned) and the picture's complete.
>>92
If you're paying ¥300k a month, sure, go ahead and park them out in the countryside. But anyone who can't even afford that — just don't bother coming.
If you're paying ¥300k a month, sure, go ahead and park them out in the countryside. But anyone who can't even afford that — just don't bother coming.
Going straight from ¥100k to ¥300k is way too much. What is this, the yakuza?
Not enough ambulances. Not enough hospital beds. Not enough nursing homes. Not enough bus drivers for public transit. This is the reality of Tokyo.
>>109
Same goes for the countryside though.
Same goes for the countryside though.
>>109
Tokyo has a lot of resources, but way too many people on top of that. Depopulated areas have no resources at all. The suburbs of regional cities are the most livable option.
Tokyo has a lot of resources, but way too many people on top of that. Depopulated areas have no resources at all. The suburbs of regional cities are the most livable option.
It's going to be hell by the time we're old.
Well, not even sure I'll live that long, lol
Well, not even sure I'll live that long, lol
>>148
Before worrying about my own future, it's my parents' situation first. I have to keep covering my parents' medical and nursing costs until they pass away. If you don't have that to worry about, I envy you.
Before worrying about my own future, it's my parents' situation first. I have to keep covering my parents' medical and nursing costs until they pass away. If you don't have that to worry about, I envy you.
>>176
Exactly. And that's precisely the age bracket that makes up the bulk of 5ch's users.
Exactly. And that's precisely the age bracket that makes up the bulk of 5ch's users.
If inflation keeps up, the amount you need for retirement obviously goes up too. Pensions barely budge. Let's all hang in there.
>>190
The National Pension (basic pension) is set to be cut by 30% by 2057.
The National Pension (basic pension) is set to be cut by 30% by 2057.
>>190
Yeah. I don't want to be a burden on my kids who live far away. Whether you're married or living alone, if you get dementia and wander off onto the train tracks, that's more than just an "inconvenience" for everyone involved.
If I can solve it with money by going into a facility, I'll be grateful for that. I'm going to keep working hard while I still can and save up for old age.
Yeah. I don't want to be a burden on my kids who live far away. Whether you're married or living alone, if you get dementia and wander off onto the train tracks, that's more than just an "inconvenience" for everyone involved.
If I can solve it with money by going into a facility, I'll be grateful for that. I'm going to keep working hard while I still can and save up for old age.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “Tokyo Nursing Home Triples Fees Overnight — CEO Calls It ‘Just Competitive Pricing’.”
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