In FF14, popular even on PS5, a debate over the use of MODs and DPS-tracking tools flared up on the console wars (geha) board. One post argued that “in other online games, cheaters get pushed out of the community, but in FF14 it’s the people who *don’t* cheat who end up feeling like outsiders.” In response, some defended the developers’ refusal to add anti-cheat measures, arguing it could destroy the culture of racing to clear raids and post the fastest logs. Opinions were split.
There was also frustration over how this plays out on consoles, given a MOD-centric culture that creates a gap between platforms.
MODs are just common sense on PC
Only the Nintendo fanboys ("Nishi-kun," 5ch slang for anti-Nintendo trolls posing as fans) are against it
Only the Nintendo fanboys ("Nishi-kun," 5ch slang for anti-Nintendo trolls posing as fans) are against it
>>5
You can't properly install MODs on PS
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PS piggy: "…MODs are evil!"
You can't properly install MODs on PS
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PS piggy: "…MODs are evil!"
https://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/05b39a26f9740ef1bc2baa91ec3a661a2d2802c9
Our "guru" (sarcastic nickname for producer Naoki Yoshida) never said "MODs are banned"
Our "guru" (sarcastic nickname for producer Naoki Yoshida) never said "MODs are banned"
>>12
He said anything that affects other players is a no-go, though
He said anything that affects other players is a no-go, though
This game has the worst community manners in the world, doesn't it
>>13
That's just the starting line — this is a game where in-game disputes have actually led to real deaths
That's just the starting line — this is a game where in-game disputes have actually led to real deaths
The reason cheating has spread this far in FF14 really comes down to the community's rotten manners
If you cheat in FF14, instead of getting called out, people tell you "It's your own fault for not cheating too, lol" or "If you're not using tools, don't bother showing up to high-end content!"
In other online games, cheaters get shunned by the community, but in FF14 most people see everyone else cheating and think "guess I'll cheat too" — the community's manners are just done for
If you cheat in FF14, instead of getting called out, people tell you "It's your own fault for not cheating too, lol" or "If you're not using tools, don't bother showing up to high-end content!"
In other online games, cheaters get shunned by the community, but in FF14 most people see everyone else cheating and think "guess I'll cheat too" — the community's manners are just done for
>>24
You say "other online games," but
Western MMORPGs often have official MOD support.
I was surprised UO (Ultima Online) just came bundled with a well-regarded MOD tool as standard.
Well, I guess since they only market to Japanese users, they ended up banning MODs…
You say "other online games," but
Western MMORPGs often have official MOD support.
I was surprised UO (Ultima Online) just came bundled with a well-regarded MOD tool as standard.
Well, I guess since they only market to Japanese users, they ended up banning MODs…
>>24
Wasn't there a Western player who got world-first on a new boss and then quit FF14 with the parting shot, "Finally, I get to escape this pathetic cheater pool"?
Calling it a "cheater pool" is pretty brutal
Wasn't there a Western player who got world-first on a new boss and then quit FF14 with the parting shot, "Finally, I get to escape this pathetic cheater pool"?
Calling it a "cheater pool" is pretty brutal
MODs get popular because the vanilla game is trash
>>31
This, basically
FF14 is riddled with MODs simply because it's low quality as a product
This, basically
FF14 is riddled with MODs simply because it's low quality as a product
"C'mon, somebody running logs join our pug!"
A friend of mine actually said this — cracked me up (lol)
A friend of mine actually said this — cracked me up (lol)
>>35
Just upload your own logs then
Wanting someone else to do it, and publicly at that — are you dumb?
Just upload your own logs then
Wanting someone else to do it, and publicly at that — are you dumb?
Since the game basically assumes everyone cheats, console players have no rights, huh?
So why'd they even release it on Switch 2
So why'd they even release it on Switch 2
>>46
Probably because there's no playerbase there?
They released it on Xbox too and that didn't help either
Probably because there's no playerbase there?
They released it on Xbox too and that didn't help either
This is exactly why PC gamers get hated on even in cross-play
And then they complain when things get broken because of it
And then they complain when things get broken because of it
And it's not just the tools — the community's manners are like this even without them
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HQBby-BbgAAHUuR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HQBby-BbgAAHUuR.jpg
>>51
Nothing weird about this, honestly
You can tell from checking someone's gear during matchmaking that something's off, and in this case it looks like glamour (cosmetic) gear at item level 0 — getting called out is fair
Nothing weird about this, honestly
You can tell from checking someone's gear during matchmaking that something's off, and in this case it looks like glamour (cosmetic) gear at item level 0 — getting called out is fair
>>51
Checking someone's gear just to call them out —
what a community, man
Checking someone's gear just to call them out —
what a community, man
No matter how well-regarded a MOD is, it still shows zero respect for the developers
How can people just go modifying someone else's work without permission?
How can people just go modifying someone else's work without permission?
>>64
You didn't know?
The producer here actually said he wants to thank the people who make them
By the way, the ones losing their minds over this are PS loyalists — they've been bitterly griping for years that it's "unfair" they can't use them
Apparently they even want MOD support pulled from PS entirely
You didn't know?
The producer here actually said he wants to thank the people who make them
By the way, the ones losing their minds over this are PS loyalists — they've been bitterly griping for years that it's "unfair" they can't use them
Apparently they even want MOD support pulled from PS entirely
>>67
Oh, you didn't know?
That guy only sees FF14 as a product, nothing more
Oh, you didn't know?
That guy only sees FF14 as a product, nothing more
>>70
Is there such a thing as a game a company releases that ISN'T a product for sale?
Unless you mean like some test project made by new hires, or a bonus freebie?
Honestly, I don't get what you're trying to say
Even free-to-play games
are tools for making money, you know…
Is there such a thing as a game a company releases that ISN'T a product for sale?
Unless you mean like some test project made by new hires, or a bonus freebie?
Honestly, I don't get what you're trying to say
Even free-to-play games
are tools for making money, you know…
MODs that change your appearance are honestly pretty sketchy stuff these days, online or offline
>>76
Uh… do you even play games?
Uh… do you even play games?
Just keep all the scumbags quarantined in FF14, please
>>81
We need to quarantine them from the boss man who's out there thanking those guys
We need to quarantine them from the boss man who's out there thanking those guys
>>86
Sure, every online game has people calling stuff out…
builds, items, gear
Are you new to online games or something?
Even in FPS games, people leave if you pull some garbage move
Sure, every online game has people calling stuff out…
builds, items, gear
Are you new to online games or something?
Even in FPS games, people leave if you pull some garbage move
>>96
Even in Battlefield people leave the squad
Like when you need to push after a revive beacon's down, and someone starts camping as a useless potato sniper instead
Even in Battlefield people leave the squad
Like when you need to push after a revive beacon's down, and someone starts camping as a useless potato sniper instead
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Things have been dull lately, so my group of 4 tanks and healers has started deliberately toggling off tank stance to just pad DPS, and we clear raids and extreme trials while intentionally leaving one specific party member dead the whole fight, just for kicks
Watching them rage-quit is hilarious, we have a blast about it on voice chat
Things have been dull lately, so my group of 4 tanks and healers has started deliberately toggling off tank stance to just pad DPS, and we clear raids and extreme trials while intentionally leaving one specific party member dead the whole fight, just for kicks
Watching them rage-quit is hilarious, we have a blast about it on voice chat
>>106
Building a game that turns into "Toxic Online" is exactly why only this kind of trash sticks around
It's all Yoshida's fault
Building a game that turns into "Toxic Online" is exactly why only this kind of trash sticks around
It's all Yoshida's fault
FF14 must really not consider it "evil," since it doesn't even have anti-cheat installed
But I still think it's lazy that they haven't closed the platform gap, when they clearly could, despite releasing on multiple platforms
But I still think it's lazy that they haven't closed the platform gap, when they clearly could, despite releasing on multiple platforms
>>112
I think the reason FF14 doesn't have anti-cheat is that it would kill everything built around ACT (the third-party combat parser)
Meaning FFLogs would die, and so would the raid-race scene where people flex their clear times
There's also a whole segment of players doing Savage raids on the assumption that tools are available, so adding anti-cheat would basically be suicide — it'd destroy the main content
I think the reason FF14 doesn't have anti-cheat is that it would kill everything built around ACT (the third-party combat parser)
Meaning FFLogs would die, and so would the raid-race scene where people flex their clear times
There's also a whole segment of players doing Savage raids on the assumption that tools are available, so adding anti-cheat would basically be suicide — it'd destroy the main content
>>115
No, if the game needs a DPS meter, the devs should just build one in officially…
Otherwise that's basically the same as saying console players can't participate
No, if the game needs a DPS meter, the devs should just build one in officially…
Otherwise that's basically the same as saying console players can't participate
>>116
That's a fair point
But if the devs officially add a DPS meter, this garbage community will use it as an excuse to start gatekeeping people
And the devs clearly don't want to be blamed for that, so they can't implement it
That's a fair point
But if the devs officially add a DPS meter, this garbage community will use it as an excuse to start gatekeeping people
And the devs clearly don't want to be blamed for that, so they can't implement it
FF14 should really split servers between console and PC
I know other MMOs riddled with cheats too
but at least those keep the platforms separate
I know other MMOs riddled with cheats too
but at least those keep the platforms separate
>>125
The population's too small for that, it'd never work
The population's too small for that, it'd never work
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware & Industry (Console Wars)) thread “[Barrier Sad News] FF14, Hugely Popular on PS5, Sees Fans Double Down That “Cheating Isn’t Evil” — This Community’s Manners Are Just Awful“.
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