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  • Shop Fails to Spot Doctored Card, Pays ¥7 Million for It — 5ch: “Are the Cops Gonna Get Involved Here? lol”

    A post on 5ch’s livestream discussion board claims a card shop failed to notice that a high-value trading card had been altered before buying it. Based on the photos, the card appears to be a first-edition (“old back”) Holographic Charizard, bought for ¥7 million — and it’s suspected the edges were trimmed to make a worn card look mint. The thread is split on whether this amounts to fraud, or whether it’s simply the shop’s own negligence for missing it during appraisal.

    1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:48
    Feel bad for them.
    3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:49
    Is there actually a point to cutting it down in size?
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:01
    Re: #3
    If it's a different size from the rest of the cards, you can feel it out while shuffling and bring it right back to the top of the deck.
    154AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:33
    Re: #65
    Isn't it meant to be used in a sleeve?
    268AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:18
    Re: #65
    I figured it wouldn't matter if it was trimmed subtly enough that you couldn't tell just by looking — but that's the reason, huh. I guess that makes it a fraudulent, altered card.
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:50
    They trimmed off the beat-up edges to make it look mint.
    214AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:54
    Re: #6
    Ah, I see lol
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:50
    Are the cops actually gonna get involved in this? lol
    36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:56
    Re: #7
    Probably not. Even if it's clearly a forgery made with intent to defraud, it'd be hard to prove the person who brought it in actually had that intent.
    248AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:05
    Re: #7
    A botched appraisal on a secondhand buy… I wonder if the police would really move on this.
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    Clerk: "Um, excuse me, this trading card has been shaved down by a few millimeters!!"

    Officers: "…?"
    32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:55
    Re: #12

    You shouldn't underestimate this.
    226AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:58
    Re: #32
    Sounds like the type to bash welfare recipients.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:54
    Even if it was cut down, there's no way to prove who actually did it.
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:56
    Re: #30
    Proving the person who brought it in is the one who did it is probably impossible.
    39AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:56
    Re: #30
    This card itself is way too old to begin with. If they just say "it was already like this when I got it from somewhere years ago," that's pretty much game over.
    58AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:00
    This is just bait to drum up money on the side lol
    84AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:07
    Re: #58
    What's with the idiots who fall for stuff like this, or LINE sign-up scams?
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:10
    If there's a recorded exchange from the appraisal like "Did you polish it?" / "No, I didn't," that's fraud. But if it's "Did you polish it?" / "I got it as a single card and don't recall polishing it myself," then there's no issue.
    94AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:11
    Re: #91
    Sounds like Mercari lol (Japan's big secondhand marketplace app)
    117AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:19
    Re: #91
    There's a chance that exchange never even happened in the first place.
    100AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:13
    How much is this card even worth?
    103AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:14
    Re: #100
    Holographic Charizard
    First-edition "old back" print
    Buy price: ¥7,000,000
    110AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:16
    Re: #100
    According to Dr. Google, the buy price is ¥7 million.
    172AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:40
    If the person who brought it in for sale "knew" it had been trimmed, then under the principle of good faith they'd have had an obligation to disclose that.
    184AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:45
    Re: #172
    There's no such obligation lol
    212AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:53
    Re: #202
    Re: #172 is talking about a case where the person who brought it in knew it had been cut. If it's a one-owner item, there's no way they wouldn't have known (or rather, they're the one who cut it). But if it changed hands as a used resale, proving that would be next to impossible.
    175AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:42
    Like, if you sold a car without disclosing it had actually been in an accident, that'd be a problem, right? Well, normally you'd check for that anyway and it'd show up in the appraisal.
    180AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:43
    Re: #175
    Uh, the shop is the one who did the appraisal lol
    183AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:44
    Re: #175
    It's not like it was in an "accident" — it's more like they just buffed the whole thing with polishing compound.
    190AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:46
    Instead of outing themselves as the idiot who couldn't spot it, they should've just sold it to some other idiot who also couldn't spot it.
    198AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:49
    Re: #190
    If they'd pretended to be an amateur and listed it on Mercari, it probably would've sold. The buyers there are resellers too, so there's no way they'd catch it.
    200AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:49
    Re: #190
    Their head's probably full of "I'm the victim here!! Mommy, help!!"
    202AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:50
    Re: #193
    Yeah, but how are you gonna prove whether the seller deliberately shaved a few millimeters off the card's edge, or just resold it without noticing lol? It's the shop's own fault for failing to catch it during appraisal lol
    211AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:53
    Re: #202
    I ran your argument through an AI — it says you win, though while criminal charges are a stretch, pursuing a refund and return through civil court is possible, it says.


    You're right that the bar for pursuing this as a criminal matter (filing fraud charges) is, in reality, quite high.
    For investigators (police/prosecutors) to pursue and indict this as a criminal case, they need proof that goes beyond a "suspicious" level — proof beyond reasonable doubt that the person absolutely intended to lie and deceive.
    The main reasons criminal charges are difficult, and the line at which police would actually act, are as follows:
    Why criminal charges (fraud) are difficult
    The barrier of proving "intent" (proving what's in someone's mind): If the seller keeps insisting "I genuinely didn't notice" or "I figured it was fine since a professional appraiser accepted it," it's difficult for police to prove that claim is a lie.
    216AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:54
    LMAOOO!


    220AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:56
    Re: #216
    Lol. Yeah, even taking this to civil court would just turn into a he-said-she-said.
    224AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:57
    Re: #216
    Hmm, true — if they just claim "it got shaved down after the shop bought it, that's on the shop," there doesn't seem to be any way to win.
    225AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:58
    Re: #216
    Card shops take photos at the time of purchase to document the condition, so whether it happened before or after the buyback isn't actually an issue.

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s used-card shops (kaitori) are a huge secondhand economy — the same chains that buy back electronics, brand goods, and books also run dedicated Pokémon card counters, because a single “old back” (1996-97 first-print) Holographic Charizard in near-mint condition can fetch six or seven figures in yen. Trimming — shaving a few millimeters off a worn card’s edges to fake a sharper, higher grade — is a known scam in the trading-card world globally, not just in Japan; it’s why professional graders (PSA, BGS) measure card dimensions against factory spec before certifying condition. A shop paying out ¥7 million (roughly $47,000) implies staff either graded it as near-mint or didn’t check dimensions carefully, which is the appraisal failure the thread is mocking.

    The split isn’t over whether the card was altered — everyone assumes it was — but over who’s liable: is trimming-to-deceive fraud on the part of whoever sold it, or is it entirely on the shop for not catching an alteration that’s supposedly checkable during appraisal? Posters converge on the same practical answer: intent is nearly impossible to prove, especially with a card decades old that may have changed hands many times, so criminal fraud charges are unlikely even if a civil refund claim might work.

    What the thread doesn’t dwell on is the one fact that actually matters for any dispute: reputable buyback shops photograph an item’s condition at the moment of purchase specifically to prevent “it got damaged after you bought it” claims — which one poster notes near the end, but only in passing, even though it’s the detail that would decide any real dispute.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Livegalileo/Anything Goes) thread “[Breaking] Card Shop Buys Altered High-Value Card Without Noticing, Ends Up Utterly Humiliated LMAOOOOOOOOOO“.

  • Baseball Legend Slams Declining High School Ball — 5ch Claps Back: “Pitch Speeds Are Clearly Up, Come On”

    Ahead of the summer Koshien final, baseball veteran Hirooka criticized the state of high school baseball, saying “the level has dropped” and “are we never going to see another Kiyohara or Matsui again?” He pointed to home runs on pace for an all-time low, power-harassment allegations, and excessive parental interference as factors that are ruining coaches.

    On 5ch, users pushed back hard against the generational argument itself, with comments like “it’s just that the shrinking birthrate has shrunk the talent pool,” “pitch speeds are clearly higher than in the past,” and “the bat regulations changed.” The discussion branched out to cover buzzcut hairstyles, coaching methods, and changes in equipment.

    “High school baseball has gone downhill. Are we never getting another Kiyohara or Matsui?” Baseball’s elder statesman criticizes the “Summer Koshien”…

    Home runs at risk of an all-time low of just 7, errors sitting at 117… “Power-harassment allegations and excessive parental involvement are ruining coaches”

    The final of the 108th National High School Baseball Championship takes place today, the 22nd, at Koshien Stadium, pitting Chiben Wakayama against Kendai Takasaki.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:14
    https://www.tsogen.co.jp/img/cover_image_l/7046.jpg
    32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:18
    Hitting is purely a talent thing, so with the player pool shrinking, that kind of talent is just getting siphoned off to soccer and basketball instead.
    44AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:20
    Re: #32
    Equipment just changed for safety reasons.
    Make the bats fly again and monster hitters will show up easily enough.
    35AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:19
    First thing to fix is the buzzcut rule — that could happen today.
    Forcing a shaved head on guys right when they're starting to care how they look is rough.

    Well, most guys aren't exactly popular with girls anyway, so unless you're good enough to make a living off baseball for life, maybe staying buzzed and grinding at your studies is actually the smart move lol
    75AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:24
    Re: #35
    True. Scrap the buzzcut rule and the talent pool definitely grows.
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:19
    By the way, Hirooka himself never made it to Koshien back when he was at Hiroshima Prefectural Kure Mitsuta High School. (Written by Satoru Komazawa, sports writer)

    LMAO
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:21
    Re: #37
    Is this the Satoru Komazawa who used to do commentary on Radio Nippon? Must be pretty old by now.
    61AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:22
    Re: #37
    Probably a bit after Hirooka's time there — Mitsuta's peak came a little later, when it was apparently a prep school sending 30+ students a year to Tokyo University. Sounds like it's fallen off since then though.
    57AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:22
    Times change, but you're not going to see another guy dominate everyone the way Egawa did.
    71AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:24
    Re: #57
    Egawa also played in the last days of wooden bats. If metal bats had already taken over, he wouldn't have put up numbers like that. Whether or not you can consistently hit the sweet spot makes a huge difference in hitting.
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:23
    "Get square in front of the ball" (lol) (mocking a stock coaching cliché)
    83AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:26
    Re: #68
    That's exactly why, when Japanese infielders go to MLB, they all get told their fundamentals aren't there.
    119AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:29
    Re: #83
    Surely coaches who insist you catch fly balls two-handed are extinct by now, right? Modern gloves are designed assuming you'll catch one-handed.
    70AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:24
    If Sadaharu Oh were young again, could he hit 60 home runs in today's game?
    82AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:25
    Re: #70
    Probably not, since Korakuen Stadium — famous for its 85m foul lines — doesn't exist anymore. Though he'd obviously still put up solid numbers.
    74AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:24
    Parents who went through brutal hazing in their own baseball days probably don't want to put their kids through that unless they're seriously baseball-obsessed themselves. Power-harassment-type parents are on the decline too. Honestly, studying hard, getting into a good university and a good company, and living a decent life might make you happier than chasing a baseball jackpot.
    126AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:30
    Re: #74
    Exactly this. A lot of guys in the parent generation were forced into baseball by their own parents, went through the power-harassment hazing, and now hate baseball — or at least hate guys who get cocky about playing it.
    156AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:34
    Re: #74
    Programs that fail to modernize and can't shake off that old Showa-era culture end up with bullying scandals like the one at Koryo.
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:26
    Re: #75
    That's not even the issue — numbers are dropping right from the entry point at the elementary school level, where there's no forced buzzcut rule at all. Nobody starts baseball from scratch in high school except maybe as a last-resort reinforcement player.
    104AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:28
    Re: #91
    High school isn't the only level with the buzzcut rule, you know.
    100AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:27
    High schoolers today are throwing 150 km/h (93 mph) with room to spare. Guys throwing that hard back in that era couldn't even make it as pros lol
    109AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:28
    Re: #100
    Tricky issue. You could say the level of the entire sport has been raised across the board.
    125AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:30
    Re: #100
    Guys from before the radar-gun era can claim they were secretly hitting 160 or even 170 km/h all they want, but once measurement started, you can't fudge the numbers anymore.
    102AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:27
    Knew it was Hirooka right away — this guy's been off lately, probably partly his age.
    108AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:28
    Re: #102
    He's older than Trump, so I mean, that's kind of to be expected.
    106AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:28
    This guy clearly isn't watching the games at all lol. Just from pitch speed alone you can tell the level's gone up a ton compared to the past. Does he even know the bats changed?
    162AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:34
    Re: #106
    Of course speeds look faster — back then they measured end velocity, now they measure release velocity.
    118AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:29
    Throwing 4,000 pitches a day — that used to be totally normal. Eat white rice until you're stuffed, build your body through endless throwing and running drills. That was considered the ideal training regimen for the Japanese body.
    190AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:38
    Re: #118
    Doing dumb stuff like that is exactly why 90% of pitchers got their arms wrecked in elementary, middle, and high school.

    Every kid in the local schools who got called "amazing" basically broke down and couldn't pitch past high school. The one pitcher who didn't break went pro, sure.

    But the players of the old days were just the 10% who survived after the other 90% got weeded out and wrecked — plenty of that 90% probably would've developed into great players too, if they hadn't been broken first.
    130AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:30
    All this Matsui worship, when Murakami and Okamoto blew right past him without even trying (Murakami and Okamoto are current NPB sluggers who've topped Hideki Matsui's numbers)
    142AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:33
    Re: #130
    Next they'll start complaining about low batting averages — and this in the age of sabermetrics, no less.
    136AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:31
    Thanks to better training, power and speed are higher now, but I feel like the number of players with real natural instincts has dropped. With fielding especially, if you don't have the instincts, no amount of practice makes you good.
    141AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:33
    Re: #136
    What even is "instinct" supposed to mean here? Like having a unique, individual form or playing style?
    153AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:34
    Re: #136
    Outfield is where the talent gets neglected — it's brutal. A little wind and they can't catch a fly ball, and the relay throws get sloppy too.
    176AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:36
    Re: #136
    Even in today's final I was stunned to see a routine foul fly get dropped. Can't believe a team like Kendai Takasaki, which made both the spring and summer finals, is making that kind of basic error. Guess all the talent's getting funneled into pitching.
    138AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:32
    Why did they even adopt low-repulsion bats?
    149AnonymousAug 22, 2026 11:33
    Re: #138
    Probably because faster batted balls were causing more comebacker injuries to pitchers, plus Japan wasn't winning international games after Koshien with the old bats.

    Background and Key Points

    Koshien refers to Hanshin Koshien Stadium, home since 1924 to Japan’s National High School Baseball Championship (natsu no Koshien), a summer tournament run by the Japan High School Baseball Federation that draws prefectural qualifiers from nearly 4,000 schools and functions as the country’s de facto scouting pipeline into NPB. Hirooka Tatsuro is a veteran of that older NPB generation, a former Yakult and Seibu manager, which is why his lament for sluggers like Kiyohara Kazuhiro and Matsui Hideki reads as generational nostalgia to younger fans. Two changes the article’s home-run figure obscures: in 2018 the federation mandated low-repulsion metal bats specifically to reduce comebacker injuries to pitchers and improve Japan’s competitiveness in international play with wood-bat rules, which mechanically suppressed power numbers overnight; separately, Japan’s 18-year-old population has shrunk by roughly a third since the 1990s, thinning the talent pool that once fed baseball almost exclusively.

    The thread didn’t split on whether something has changed, but on what “level” even measures: Hirooka points to a stat (home runs, on pace for a historic low) as proof of decline, while posters countered with a different stat, pitching velocity, now measured at up to 150 km/h regularly, as proof the sport has actually improved.

    What the thread never flags is that the mandatory buzzcut is not a federation rule at all, it’s an individual-school custom left over from stricter decades, so blaming Koshien itself is imprecise. Also unmentioned: Hirooka himself never played in a Koshien tournament as a student.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Breaking News+) thread ““High school baseball has gone downhill. Are we never getting another Kiyohara or Matsui?” — Baseball veteran criticizes the sport: “Power-harassment allegations and excessive parental involvement are ruining coaches”.”

  • Asked for Otaru travel tips, locals flood in with answers — 5ch: ‘The canal at midnight is just gorgeous’

    In a thread titled “Heading to Otaru,” locals and past visitors chimed in one after another with specific recommendations — the night view from Mt. Tengu, Shukutsu Observatory, and a late-night stroll along the Otaru Canal.

    They also shared practical heads-up info worth knowing before the trip: sea urchin season is over, so you’ll need to head out to Shakotan for that, and restaurant prices run high thanks to tourist-area markups.

    1AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:14
    Any recommendations?
    4AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:17
    The Mt. Tengu Ropeway in Otaru, home to one of Hokkaido's three great night views
    6AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:19
    Lived there back in my student days — sounds like it's way more touristy now.
    For seafood you don't need a proper sushi place, a seafood izakaya is delicious too.
    I'd recommend Shobo Banya or Shotoku Taishi.
    9AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:21
    Restaurants in the tourist areas are pricey, so budget for meals accordingly.
    10AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:22
    I'm a fan of Takuboku, so I went to see his poetry monument (Ishikawa Takuboku, the famous early-20th-century poet).
    It was in the grounds of a shrine up a hill, a little off the main tourist path.
    Not a soul around.
    11AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:23
    There used to be a little independent izakaya called Isshin Tasuke or something — their atka mackerel and dried fish were great.
    12AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:23
    Meals are technically included, three a day, but eating out on top of that gets pricey I guess?
    13AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:24
    It's pricey.
    With the cost of living up, the food quality's dropped too.
    15AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:25
    Asari or Otamoi — which driving school is it?
    16AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:26
    Asari doesn't really feel like Otaru lol
    That's basically the next town over.
    17AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:26
    Truth is, Gold Stone is the only thing I've actually seen there.
    18AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:26
    Are you going for a large-vehicle license?
    24AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:29
    Re: #18
    No, just a regular license.
    21AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:28
    Sea urchin season in Otaru's already over, so you'd have to go all the way to Shakotan to get any.
    22AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:28
    What's Gold Stone?
    25AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:30
    Re: #22
    A fantastic live house that Hello! Project idol acts favor.
    26AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:30
    Is the driving school training camp in Otaru cheap?
    28AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:31
    How much fun you have really depends on which town the training dorm is in, I'd think.
    44AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:49
    Re: #26
    Not especially cheap.
    Actually it's crazy expensive in August.

    Re: #28
    Right in front of JR Otaru Station.
    30AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:34
    Here's Otaru's famous Shukutsu Observatory

    https://gzo.ai/i/ynyWZkQ.jpg
    And the night view from Mt. Tengu

    https://gzo.ai/i/LTdRWAG.jpg
    46AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:51
    Re: #30
    The first shot really hits.

    Re: #39
    φ(´・ω・`) noted

    Re: #40
    Which aquarium is that?
    38AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:41
    So the Herring Mansion at Cape Otamoi is gone too now, huh.
    52AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:55
    Re: #38
    It's all run-down these days.
    39AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:41
    My top recommendation has to be the local Chinese diner, Gokou Hanten.
    40AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:43
    You can only reach the aquarium by bus, but it's great — plenty of shows to catch.
    If your timing's good you can see about five in a row.
    47AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:52
    Didn't get your license when you were young?
    51AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:55
    Re: #47
    Nope.
    Now that I'm middle-aged, work finally let me take a long stretch off this year.
    53AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:56
    Re: #1
    Are you from Hokkaido?
    Where's your hometown?
    59AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:59
    Re: #53
    I'm from Tokyo.

    Re: #54
    I'll check it out.
    54AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:56
    Re: #46
    The first pic is the Sea of Japan seen from the hill above Otaru Aquarium.
    You can walk up, but you'll be drenched in sweat.
    57AnonymousAug 17, 2026 22:58
    It moved to a new location, but it's still around.
    63AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:02
    Re: #57
    Ah, thanks.
    There's a Rosy-chan (idol) live show in October, might go check it out.
    62AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:01
    You're from Tokyo — why go all the way to Otaru to get your license?
    66AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:05
    Re: #62
    Figured since I'm at it, I'd rather do Hokkaido or somewhere south of Kyushu, and this one happened to have an opening.

    Re: #64
    φ(´・ω・`) noted
    64AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:02
    The Otaru Canal at midnight is a great walk, about 10 minutes from the station.
    During the day and evening tourists get in the way,
    but the canal late at night is just gorgeous.
    72AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:28
    Staying right in front of Otaru Station basically screams 'go sightsee while you're here.'
    73AnonymousAug 17, 2026 23:29
    Re: #72
    Sadly I'm an introvert, but I'll force myself to get out and about.
    89AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:09
    Isn't Yoichi all about whisky?
    92AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:12
    Re: #89
    There's a winery there too.
    93AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:13
    Anyway, the place is crawling with foreign tourists.
    94AnonymousAug 18, 2026 00:15
    Re: #93
    So no different from Tokyo's Yamanote Line then.

    Background and Key Points

    The thread’s real subtext is a Japanese institution most outsiders have never heard of: 合宿免許 (gasshuku menkyo), or “training-camp driving school.” Japan’s licensing system requires costly hours at a driving school, and rural operators offer discounted, dorm-based intensive courses — meals included — to attract customers from cities like Tokyo, filling their off-peak calendars. That’s why a Tokyoite is headed to Otaru at all: not primarily for the canal, but to knock out a license in a small port city on Hokkaido’s coast, about 30–40 minutes from Sapporo by train. Otaru itself trades on its Taisho-era canal (built 1923) and Meiji-Taisho herring-boom warehouses, one of which, the old “Herring Mansion,” posters note has since fallen into disrepair as that industry vanished decades ago.

    The thread doesn’t really argue so much as drift into small disagreements: whether nearby Asari counts as “really” Otaru (locals say no, it’s basically a different town), and whether the training-camp course itself is actually cheap — one poster insists it isn’t, especially in August, when demand spikes and rates climb.

    What outside readers will likely miss is the source board itself: this is a Hello! Project (idol fandom) thread, which is why a live house recommendation and an idol group’s October show get folded in alongside sushi and night-view tips as if equally routine — a reminder that “travel advice” threads on 5ch are often filtered through a specific fan community’s habits rather than neutral tourism chatter.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Heading to Otaru”.

  • Jef United Chiba, Back in J1 After 17 Years, Off to Miserable 0-3 Start: 9 Goals Conceded, None Scored

    Jef United Chiba, back in J1 for the first time in 17 years, has lost three straight to Hiroshima, Machida, and FC Tokyo — still without a single point or goal.

    On the forum, complaints piled up over delayed reinforcements, a lack of preseason training camp, and questions about manager Kobayashi’s tactics — while cooler heads countered with points like “every promoted club looks like this” and “there’s a clear gap in ability between J1, J2, and J3,” splitting the discussion.

    Jose Suarez showed some good defensive plays, but…

    Chiba, playing in J1 for the first time in 17 years, still couldn’t get a win.

    They lost 0-3 to Hiroshima on opening day, then 0-4 to Machida. Coming off that two-game losing streak, they fell 0-2 to FC Tokyo in the Matchday 3 game on August 21.

    Source: soccerdigestweb.com / Original article here

    4AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:25
    J2 sounds a lot better than this hell they call J1~
    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:26
    The Osim Curse
    If the national team hadn't poached Osim, they'd probably be doing okay right now
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:28
    Re: #5
    Osim, we oshimu (miss) you (pun on Osim's name and "oshimu," meaning "to miss/regret")
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:26
    Empty stadiums, dead league, the 'tax league' (slang implying J.League survives on public subsidies)
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:42
    Re: #6
    The Central League (pro baseball) is washed up too, then
    26AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:43
    Re: #6
    Too bad — 52,200 people showed up even though it was raining
    51AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:06
    Re: #6
    Do guys like this think that if they keep typing 'empty stadiums' and 'tax league' over and over, it'll actually come true like some kind of curse?
    8AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:28
    Ellison: "Man, I really ended up somewhere wild"
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:30
    And here even Mito is racking up points
    11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:31
    Huh, JEF United Ichihara is still around? (the club's old name before it moved to Chiba)
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:32
    Was that the game with 52,000 fans at the National Stadium?
    18AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:38
    When I watched the match where they clinched promotion after 17 years, they won, but the level felt so low it was worrying — and even with half a year to prepare, they couldn't strengthen the squad at all?
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:43
    Digital magazine 'The World' — Interview with Jef manager Kobayashi

    • While fighting through the league season, I personally sat down with several players, but the reality is every single Japanese player I talked to turned us down. 'Even if I sign a good contract with Jef, who knows what things will look like next season' — that's the honest assessment they gave.
    I made my pitch as best I could, and getting turned down by everyone comes down to my own ability. I do naturally feel that if I'd shown something better out on the pitch, one or two of them might have joined us.
    45AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:00
    Re: #25
    Even with money, you can't land good players until you actually establish yourself in J1 — especially Japanese players.
    Soccer's a sport where a weak team means fewer chances to shine, so your own market value drops too
    32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:47
    Re: #18
    Apparently every Japanese player they approached turned them down flat because they couldn't picture the club still being in J1 next season 😭
    41AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:58
    Re: #32
    That's just how it goes for every promoted club, every year
    46AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:01
    Re: #41
    What's rough is this looks like a fluke promotion — not even solid enough to be a proper 'escalator club' (a team that yo-yos between J1 and J2)
    70AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:17
    Re: #41
    Okayama signed Esaka and managed to stay up
    48AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:04
    Did they seriously not reinforce the squad at all?
    53AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:07
    Re: #48
    Couldn't
    Figured they'd get relegated right back down anyway
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:29
    Re: #53
    No need to worry about that — if they get relegated, their players get poached anyway, so they should've reinforced regardless lol
    55AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:08
    They skipped preseason training camp — total disrespect for J1.
    Even in the J.League Cup they've only won in fluke-ish ways.
    Watching them, I have zero idea what kind of soccer Kobayashi is even trying to play.
    The player selections make no sense either.
    And the front office seems fine with keeping Kobayashi on.
    The Japanese players look J2-caliber.
    Honestly Mito shows more drive and a clearer game plan than this team.
    Bottom line: unless they find a manager who can actually keep them up, and make the switch as soon as possible, they're going down.
    That's about the size of it.
    67AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:13
    Re: #55
    Wait, they skipped training camp?! lol
    56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:08
    Even a Cerberus turns into a chihuahua once it's in J1 (i.e., a team that looked fierce in J2 shrinks in the top flight)
    The supporters probably want to go back to where they belong too
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:14
    Re: #56
    Guess the dog's homing instinct is kicking in right about now
    57AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:09
    Jef Chiba really hasn't produced any homegrown talent, has it

    Guess their youth academy just doesn't function the way Kashiwa Reysol's does
    64AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:12
    Re: #57
    There's Himeno — he's been Jef through and through since elementary school
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:12
    Re: #57
    Kids who fail Kashiwa's youth tryouts skip Jef entirely and aim for Ichifuna or Ryutsukeizai Kashiwa instead (top high school soccer powerhouses)
    74AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:19
    Goes without saying, but there's a clear gap in level between J1, J2, and J3
    80AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:25
    Re: #74
    Teams like Shonan Bellmare can play totally dominant soccer in J2, after all
    86AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:28
    Fagiano Okayama is just the exception — this is basically the norm for clubs that come up through the playoffs.
    Since nobody expects much from them, recruiting doesn't go well either — that vicious cycle is the first hurdle after promotion
    119AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:55
    Re: #86
    Fagiano doesn't have a big-money sponsor like Jef does — so how have they managed to stick around in J1?
    123AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:58
    Re: #86
    Even Nagasaki, one of this season's promoted clubs that's actually spent decent money, is in that same sorry state
    102AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:42
    Hiroshima, Machida, Tokyo —
    Sure, the opponents were tough, but the performances were just way too bad
    121AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:56
    Re: #102
    Against Tokyo, not really — that one wasn't so bad
    114AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:51
    Well, fundamentally speaking, promotion and relegation are genuinely a bad thing
    118AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:54
    Re: #114
    Huh? So what do you want instead?
    Is there a version of soccer out there without it? (´・ω・`)
    115AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:52
    The only person who can turn this team around is Mr. Ejiri
    117AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:53
    Re: #115
    Here we go again with this 'Ejirism' (a running fan meme calling for coach Ejiri's return)

    Background and Key Points

    Jef United Chiba is one of J.League’s founding clubs and, under Bosnian manager Ivica Osim in the mid-2000s, was a genuine force — Osim’s Jef won the 2005 League Cup before he left in 2006 to become Japan’s national team manager, a departure fans still only half-jokingly blame for the club’s long decline. Jef was relegated to J2 in 2009 and stayed there for seventeen straight years despite being backed by JR East, one of the league’s wealthiest corporate owners, which is why their return to J1 this season carried real expectations. Those hopes collapsed immediately: three losses (0-3 Hiroshima, 0-4 Machida, 0-2 FC Tokyo), zero points, zero goals, nine conceded.

    The thread’s actual fault line isn’t “is this bad” — everyone agrees it is — but whether it’s Jef-specific mismanagement or simply the structural fate of most promoted clubs. One camp blamed manager Kobayashi directly: no preseason camp, muddled tactics, and a squad left unreinforced because the front office assumed relegation was coming anyway. The other side pointed out Fagiano Okayama is the rare exception and that newly promoted, playoff-route clubs (Jef came up through J2’s playoff, not as champions) almost always struggle to recruit, since players won’t sign with a team they doubt will survive in J1 — Jef’s own manager confirmed this in a magazine interview.

    What outside readers likely miss: JR East’s money hasn’t translated into playing talent because J.League free agency runs on reputation and division status, not just budget — a wealthy but shaky J1 newcomer is often a harder sell to Japanese players than a stable, mid-table J2 club.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geisports Sokuho+) thread “[Soccer] “Rough times for Jef” — painful 3-game losing start in their first J1 season in 17 years. 9 goals conceded, still no goals scored, as fans lament “so much is missing”.”

  • Koshien Bans Fans From Holding Up Player Name Signs — “Treating Players Like Heroes Isn’t Desirable” Sparks Debate

    Yomiuri Shimbun reporting has revealed that tournament organizers at Koshien Stadium, site of the 108th National High School Baseball Championship, have been cracking down on fans who hold up boards bearing individual players’ names. Citing the “educational purpose” laid out in the Japan Student Baseball Charter, organizers say “cheering that treats an individual player as a hero is not desirable” — though voicing support itself is not a problem.

    On 5ch, users traded a range of reactions over just how blurry that line is — from the finger-pointing pose players strike after winning the title, to towels printed with individual names, to how TV broadcasts stage their coverage.

    High School Baseball: Koshien Says “Cheering That Treats an Individual as a Hero Is Not Desirable”… Holding Up Signs With Players’ Names Is Banned, Cheering Itself Is OK : Yomiuri Shimbun

    By Seigo Ota, Kohei Yamauchi

    The 108th National High School Baseball Championship (Koshien Stadium) reaches its final on the 22nd. Forty-seven games have been played so far, each greeted with passionate cheering. However, tournament organizers have put a stop to cheering that involves holding up boards printed with players’ names. This is banned under the “educational purpose” defined by the Japan Student Baseball Charter, which holds that “cheering that treats an individual as a hero is not desirable.” Spectators unaware of the ban have been left confused, while cheer squad leaders are struggling with how to get the word out. (By Seigo Ota, Kohei Yamauchi)

    Source: yomiuri.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:47
    What if it's like Yamada-kun from Aomori Yamada (a school whose name already has 'Yamada' in it)?
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:49
    They should probably ban the 'Nettō Kōshien' highlight show (NHK's nightly recap program) too
    Heck, maybe the whole TV broadcast while they're at it
    175AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:25
    Re: #6
    It'd be cleaner if they just showed the game progress plainly like they used to. Apparently they switched to the current style because ratings dropped, but now the show focuses way too much on individual players.
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:49
    Take it up with the trash media ("masugomi") that manufactures a new hero every single year
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:50
    They should ban that thing too, where the second a commentator shows up the talk turns straight to "so-and-so-kun"
    16AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    More importantly, get rid of the old geezers who try to whip up a one-sided mood cheering for just one school
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    Treating them like heroes is fine, isn't it? Just ban the boards with individual names on them
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    "Once-in-a-decade talent" — do they still find one of those every single year?
    106AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:10
    Re: #19
    Once-in-a-decade pitcher, once-in-a-decade catcher… keep stacking labels like that and it's not weird to get one every year
    20AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    The media should stop broadcasting this stuff so over-the-top
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    So then reporting with individual names attached should be banned too, right?
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:52
    Guess from now on we'll just have to chant "Go get 'em, Minor A!" (a term normally used for anonymous juvenile crime suspects)
    24AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:52
    Who knows, Japan might produce its own Virat Kohli someday
    28AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:53
    What's even the issue here? They just cheer for whoever's up at bat in turn, so it's uniform either way
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:55
    What is this, some kind of authoritarian control? Such an old-fashioned mindset — just scrap it already
    66AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:01
    Re: #37
    Old-fashioned, sure, maybe — but lately, thanks to "oshi-katsu" fan-support culture and the like, there are people who'll casually do stuff that would normally count as excessive cheering. I think there's at least some reason they feel they have to crack down
    58AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:00
    Cameraman: "Who cares about the players" https://n.picvr.net/2608181337485797.jpg
    https://n.picvr.net/2608181338109213.gif
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:02
    Re: #58
    Pretty modest, lol. Only taking home one little bottle's worth?
    94AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:07
    Re: #58
    Thought it was ABC but it's actually NHK? That's one more reason to refuse to pay the license fee
    99AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:09
    I guess the point is: don't do this "oshi-katsu" fan-worship stuff to high school ballplayers, right?
    103AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:09
    Everybody's a hero
    112AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:11
    Re: #103
    No way that's true
    104AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:09
    I hate that thing where everyone raises their index finger together after winning the championship. When did that even start? Seriously, ban it
    117AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:12
    Re: #104
    That really is obnoxious. At the very least, I think the Federation should ban doing it on the mound before the players line up. If they want to do it, do it in front of their own cheering section after the lineup and greetings
    134AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:16
    Re: #104
    Komazawa University Tomakomai started it. It's been over 20 years since then, and the only team that's never done it is Chukyo Daichukyo
    148AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:19
    Re: #104
    It's not like they're broadcasting this for old guys who worship high school baseball. If it bothers you, don't watch. I didn't even watch the final myself
    125AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:14
    It's like something straight out of wartime
    126AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:14
    This kind of dumb self-censorship is exactly why the whole country is in decline
    132AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:16
    Back in middle school, it was the Federation and the media hyping up "Handkerchief Prince" (nickname for star pitcher Yuki Saito, famous for wiping sweat with a handkerchief)

    Same sloppy stuff now as then, lol
    138AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:17
    Re: #132
    Sure, the media made a fuss — fine. But "the Federation hyped it up" makes no sense. What exactly did the Federation actually do?
    141AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:17
    https://www.towel-itohide.co.jp/SHOP/NM400-SL-01.html

    There are even companies that make towels printed with individual players' names
    Go complain to them
    179AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:26
    Re: #141
    It's not spectators unfurling big towels and waving them during the Koshien game — it's more that the players themselves or their families order them made, to hand out to people back home who supported them. They even trade custom towels with players from other schools
    165AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:23
    Every school's cheering is just a knockoff of the Yomiuri Giants (mocking nickname "Kyokasu") or the Lotte Marines style — zero originality anywhere
    176AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:26
    Re: #165
    That "Age Age Hoi Hoi" chant (a Lotte Marines cheer song) is gross too
    174AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:25
    See? Told ya it's just "yakyuu" (a mocking, dumbed-down way of writing "baseball") (lol)
    No wonder people are tuning out (lol)
    180AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:27
    Re: #174
    https://tval-now.switch-m.com/
    The Koshien final's TV ratings are insane, lol

    Background and Key Points

    Koshien is the summer National High School Baseball Championship, held at Koshien Stadium since 1915 and co-run by the Japan High School Baseball Federation and Asahi Shimbun. Enforcement here traces back to the Japan Student Baseball Charter, a postwar code (formalized in 1950) meant to keep school baseball framed as character-building education rather than the commercial spectacle Japanese pro sports had already become. That “amateur ideal” is why organizers periodically police things that make Koshien look too much like NPB — hence banning cardboard signs bearing a single player’s name, even while insisting cheering itself remains fine. It’s a distinctly Japanese institutional tension: a tournament that draws NHK’s full broadcast machinery and enormous ad revenue, governed by a charter that pretends stardom isn’t the point.

    The thread’s actual disagreement wasn’t over whether individual-hero worship is bad — most agreed it happens — but over who’s responsible and whether the sign ban addresses it at all. Posters kept pointing to the finger-pointing victory pose (traced to Komazawa Tomakomai two decades ago), personalized cheering towels, and NHK’s Nettō Kōshien recap show as far bigger drivers of hero-narrative culture than any spectator’s homemade sign, calling the crackdown hypocritical or performative.

    What the thread never addresses is that the Federation has no jurisdiction over broadcasters or towel manufacturers — its authority extends only to conduct inside the stadium. That structural limit, not inconsistency of principle, is why enforcement looks so selective: it can ban a fan’s sign but not NHK’s editorial choices or a family’s souvenir order.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Breaking News+) thread “[High School Baseball] Koshien: “Cheering That Treats an Individual as a Hero Is Not Desirable”… Holding Up Signs With Players’ Names Is Banned, Cheering Itself Is OK.”

  • Late-Night 5ch Thread Lights Up: “Which SNES Classics Still Hold Up Today?”

    A late-night chat thread on 5ch’s “Live/Anything Goes” (Nanademo Jikkyo) board ranged over everything from anime movie talk to VTuber clips to retro games. One question in particular got things buzzing: “Which Super Famicom (SNES) games are still fun to play today?” drew a steady stream of classics, from *Sandra no Daibouken* (a cult Japan-only puzzle-platformer) to *Super Metroid*.

    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 01:18
    Kanatan's the judge here






    Kuko is… a trap 🙅
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 01:26
    I can't hold out on the Walpurgisnacht no Kaiten machine any longer
    Gonna play the Madoka Magica pachinko slots and use my winnings to go watch Rebellion
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 01:32
    Re: #12
    Does Kagawa even have a theater that can afford to run revival screenings?
    34AnonymousAug 22, 2026 02:12
    Who the hell is F9?
    44AnonymousAug 22, 2026 02:18
    Re: #34
    F9 is the legendary script-spamming troll that Okera calls his master
    Though Okera does his own spamming by hand
    108AnonymousAug 22, 2026 03:43
    This character changes their voice and speech pattern to match their personality — seriously like Conan (Detective Conan's voice-changing bowtie)
    109AnonymousAug 22, 2026 03:44
    Re: #108
    Is this game actually any fun?
    135AnonymousAug 22, 2026 04:36
    137AnonymousAug 22, 2026 04:36
    Re: #135
    👊😳👊
    157AnonymousAug 22, 2026 05:46
    So glad I was born in Saitama Prefecture~
    https://cho-animedia.jp/imgs/zoom/790783.jpg
    160AnonymousAug 22, 2026 05:48
    Re: #157
    There's Akutan's friend in the top left, huh
    163AnonymousAug 22, 2026 05:51
    TSUNAMI – Finana Ryugu (Original MV)
    https://youtu.be/3i_TLQsaAgU https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3i_TLQsaAgU/maxresdefault.jpg
    166AnonymousAug 22, 2026 05:55
    Re: #163
    That's not the Southern All Stars one
    178AnonymousAug 22, 2026 06:04
    227AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:00
    Another day today, huh~?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8XB-zPVgAI0KWW.jpg
    229AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:03
    Re: #227
    Shut up, trash — quit forcing that "nnasshoi" catchphrase on everyone
    265AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:50
    Get to work! 🙄

    270AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:51
    Re: #265
    What's even fun about playing HoYoverse games?
    389AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:27
    Wanna watch this?

    391AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:29
    Re: #389
    Only know SOSHI
    400AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:36
    407AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:39
    Tell me which Super Famicom (SNES) games are still fun to play today
    409AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:39
    Re: #407
    Sandra no Daibouken (The Great Adventure of Sandra)
    411AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:40
    Re: #407
    Super Metroid
    419AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:56
    Re: #407
    Can it even run Genshin Impact?
    432AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:02
    Good for you


    ↓
    440AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:04
    Re: #432
    Their eyes are dead lol
    531AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:22
    534AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:22
    Re: #531
    Dabupan-saaan 😭
    544AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:25
    Re: #531
    D-deabu-ponchi-haaan 😥 (a deliberately garbled spelling of the nickname above, for laughs)

    Background and Key Points

    The Super Famicom (Nintendo’s SNES, sold in Japan from November 1990 until production ended in 2003) built one of gaming’s deepest libraries, and both titles named in the thread sit at opposite ends of it. Super Metroid (1994) is a globally canonized classic, credited alongside Castlevania: Symphony of the Night with defining the “Metroidvania” genre and still cited on best-of-all-time lists worldwide. Sandra no Daibouken (“The Great Adventure of Sandra”), a 1992 Vic Tokai puzzle-platformer, is the opposite case: it never left Japan, has no official translation, and survives mainly as a retro-gaming in-joke passed around by longtime 5ch and Niconico users rather than something a casual fan would stumble on.

    The thread didn’t really split into camps arguing for or against either game — it produced exactly two answers before the topic moved on, so there’s no debate on record about which is “better” or how to define “still holds up.” What passes for tension is the contrast in taste itself: one poster reaching for an internationally beloved cult classic, another reaching for something so obscure it barely exists outside a niche of Japanese retro collectors.

    What’s easy to miss is that the question got derailed almost immediately by a joke asking whether the console “can even run Genshin Impact” — a gag about 16-bit hardware limitations, not a real answer. Readers expecting a substantive nostalgia thread should know this was one fleeting aside in a much longer, unrelated late-night ramble, not a dedicated retro-gaming discussion.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nanademo Jikkyo G) thread “Late-Night Funatan House (・o・🍬)🏡.”

  • Retired at 43 with ¥120 Million via FIRE — Now Battling Crushing Loneliness; 5ch Reacts: ‘Sounds Made Up’

    An article about Kenta Sato (pseudonym, 43), a former employee at a foreign-affiliated company who retired via FIRE with ¥120 million in assets and is now living a lonely life, became a hot topic on 5ch. The thread saw a string of comments questioning the article’s credibility, and it evolved into a discussion about semiconductor stocks after one investor confessed that a stock crash had shrunk their assets from ¥220 million down to ¥90 million.

    “This way, I can live out my whole life without ever having to bow my head to anyone.”

    Kenta Sato (pseudonym, 43) retired from a foreign-affiliated company in Tokyo. At the time, his assets totaled ¥120 million. It was a decision made in strict accordance with the “4% Rule” — investing his assets to earn a 4% annual return and using that income to cover a year’s living expenses.

    He’d projected annual investment returns of around ¥4 million, against annual living costs of roughly ¥3 million. His rented apartment ran ¥110,000 a month, groceries about ¥30,000 a month, and even factoring in utilities and phone/internet bills, he kept his total monthly spending under ¥250,000.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:36
    There sure are more and more of these 'venting fodder for the poor' articles lately, huh.
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:37
    Re: #22
    What's weird is that nothing about it feels off when you read it normally.
    It's written unconvincingly enough that you couldn't be fooled even if you wanted to be.
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:38
    Up until two months ago I had ¥220 million in assets.
    But thanks to the recent crash, I'm down to just ¥90 million now.
    Funny thing is, I'm still up compared to last year, but right now all I feel is despair.
    All I do is regret not still having that ¥220 million.
    Being scared to spend money — that's a real thing, I'm telling you.
    29AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:39
    Re: #25
    What kind of portfolio were you even running?
    Memory chips?
    34AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:46
    Re: #25
    Nice.
    Life's more fun when it's got that much drama, right?
    Not trying to troll you here.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:41
    Re: #29
    Kioxia.
    Data Section.
    SoftBank Group.
    Those are my main holdings.
    Still holding all of them now, too.
    To make room for them, I sold off trading-house stocks I swore I'd hold for life.
    That's part of what's killing me too.
    33AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:45
    Re: #30
    Sounds like you'll be back to ¥220 million within a year.
    I've been 80% NVIDIA for a few years now.
    Getting crushed on performance by you memory-chip guys though.
    36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:48
    Re: #33
    NVIDIA's earnings this week are seriously stressing me out.
    Everything's been sliding lately, and 'announce a huge investment, then crash' has basically been the trend all summer.
    40AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:49
    Re: #36
    Yeah, it'll probably dip.
    But it'll hit new highs again in a couple months, so it's probably fine.
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:49
    Having the money and being able to choose your own path from here already makes you happier than someone grinding away at a dead-end part-time job with nobody ever giving them credit for it.
    42AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:51
    Re: #37
    Even if it looks like happiness from the outside, if you feel unhappy, then it's unhappiness, isn't it.
    Even a dead-end part-timer wins if they feel happy.
    43AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:52
    FIRE assumes you'll keep managing your own investments, but can you actually do that competently once you're old? There are already plenty of people out there complaining they can't even set up a passkey.
    44AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:53
    Re: #43
    Once your brain stops working right, you can just switch to index funds and draw down a fixed amount each year.
    45AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:54
    Doesn't he use X (Twitter)? He could connect with people over shared hobbies there, separate from real life — he really should just get on X.
    46AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:55
    Re: #45
    Does he actually meet people in person, though?
    49AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:59
    Did they even really interview anyone for this? Am I the only one who thinks it's fiction?
    51AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:01
    Re: #49
    Guys like me who turned into minor stock-market nouveau riche are dying to brag about it, so finding someone to interview would be easy.
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:01
    They're all saying semiconductors are done, never going up again.
    That's the reverse shoeshine-boy signal right there (the old theory that when even the shoeshine boy is giving stock tips, it's time to sell — inverted here, so universal pessimism means it's about to bottom out).
    Which is exactly why it's going to go up.
    However you slice it — future potential, profitability, staying power — if you're doing value investing, where else would you even put your money besides semiconductor stocks? That's how I see it.
    Unlike the AI bubble, they're not overpriced at all.
    But my mental state can barely handle this recent drop.
    53AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:02
    Re: #50
    Same here.
    Hold, hold, and hold some more.
    61AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:08
    Re: #50
    Long term, semiconductors can only go up.
    If it's a spot holding, just hold and forget about it.
    62AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:10
    Re: #50
    Going forward,
    there's no version of society that doesn't run on semiconductors.
    Demand is never going away.
    It'll just keep cycling up and down,
    so hold through the dips.
    And yeah, 'where else would you even invest' — I think that's exactly right.
    54AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:02
    Re: #51
    Straight-up bragging just comes off as obnoxious, so it's not winning you any fans lol
    55AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:04
    Re: #54
    It's a humblebrag, plain and simple. That's all this is.
    56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:05
    Not having stable income is stressful either way, though. Maybe once you blow past ¥300 or ¥500 million it stops mattering.
    60AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:07
    Re: #56
    End goal is ¥10 million a year in dividend income.
    64AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:18
    If you've got ¥100 million, you shouldn't need to pinch pennies that hard to get by.
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:21
    Re: #64
    At that point it's basically growing on autopilot.
    71AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:25
    Even with zero real-life social life, you can get all the communication you need just by clowning around on nanJ (a rowdy 5ch discussion board).
    72AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:26
    Re: #71
    That's probably why this generation won't be wandering the streets looking for someone to talk to as much once they're old, unlike now.
    82AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:38
    That's fine by me, honestly, people are a hassle. Though… would you actually lose your mind if you ended up like the guy in this story (if it's even real)?
    87AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:48
    Re: #82
    There's this theory that FIRE drives you crazy with loneliness, but isn't it the same with regular retirement? Feels like it's just happening a bit earlier, that's all.
    90AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:50
    You guys are literally talking to people right now on 5ch. The guy in this story is probably someone who doesn't even have that.
    92AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:52
    Re: #90
    Which raises the question of what happens once you actually hit retirement age. Doesn't that mean this guy's fate is to eventually lose it too?
    98AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:56
    There's a ton of articles like this. Must be huge demand for them — or really, people are probably just opening them to kill time at the office.
    100AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:58
    Re: #98
    Anyone reading stuff like this isn't gonna end up happy.
    101AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:58
    Re: #98
    It's probably comfort content for people at the bottom who'll never manage to FIRE.
    103AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:59
    Re: #98
    Not really any different from a gambling article, at its core.
    106AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:02
    Lately there are a lot of articles pushing the 'FIRE is a bad idea' angle.
    107AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:03
    Re: #106
    The articles themselves trickle out to match demand, but is it the same guy bringing them to nanJ every time, I wonder?
    109AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:04
    Re: #106
    Which just proves FIRE is the right call.

    Background and Key Points

    The FIRE movement’s “4% Rule” comes from the 1990s Trinity Study, which tested how long a US stock/bond portfolio could sustain 4% annual withdrawals; it was never designed around Japan’s tax code or its decades of near-zero interest rates, so importing it wholesale is riskier than the thread lets on. In Japan, realized capital gains and dividends are taxed at a flat 20.315%, meaning Sato’s stated ¥4 million target return would need to be noticeably higher before tax to net ¥3 million in living expenses — a detail the article and thread both skip. Also unmentioned is NISA, Japan’s tax-exempt investment account explicitly designed for long-term individual investors; any serious FIRE planning discussion in Japan would normally center on maximizing NISA space, yet nobody in the thread brings it up.

    The thread didn’t really argue about loneliness at all — commenters largely accepted or shrugged off that premise (some even noted regular retirees face the same isolation, just later). What it actually split on was authenticity: whether “Kenta Sato” is a real interview subject or a fabricated “content for envious have-nots” piece, a genre posters say is proliferating on Yahoo News. From there the thread abandoned the original topic entirely, turning into a confessional/bragging session about semiconductor holdings (Kioxia, SoftBank, memory chips, Nvidia), with genuine anxiety over recent price crashes eroding paper fortunes far larger than Sato’s ¥120 million.

    Readers should also note nanJ is a rowdy, jokey subforum of 5ch, so the skepticism and bragging tone reflect that culture as much as the topic itself.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (nanJ) thread “[Tragic] 43-Year-Old Single Man Who FIRE’d With ¥120 Million Loses His Mind From Overwhelming Loneliness, Not Talking to a Soul…”.

  • Fresh-Squeezed Juice Vending Machine ‘IJOOZ’ to End Service in Tokai, Hiroshima, and Kyushu by End of September

    The fresh-squeezed orange juice vending machine “IJOOZ” will end its service in the Tokai, Hiroshima, and Kyushu areas by September 30. On 5ch, comments ranged from “It’s too expensive—I’ve never used one” to hygiene concerns over the whole-fruit-squeezing method, alongside nostalgic reminiscing about old-school fountain-style juice vending machines.

    [Image: IJOOZ]

    IJOOZ Japan, which operates the fresh-squeezed orange juice vending machine “IJOOZ (iJuice),” announced it will end service in the Tokai, Hiroshima, and Kyushu areas by September 30.

    The affected machines are those installed in the Tokai area (Aichi, Gifu, Shizuoka), the Hiroshima area, and the Kyushu area (Fukuoka, Saga, Kumamoto, Nagasaki). Once service ends, vending machines in these areas will no longer be usable.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:15
    Was it a hygiene issue or something?
    67AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:31
    Re: #5
    Yeah.
    Doesn't suit Japanese tastes.
    184AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:58
    Re: #5
    If it were a hygiene problem, they'd pull out of all of Japan, not just some regions.
    It's probably just that sales were weak in the areas they're leaving.
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:17
    Too expensive for Japanese people.
    Never used one myself either.
    118AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:44
    Re: #7
    That settles it.
    Poor old Japan can't afford luxury goods like this.
    9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:17
    I hear it's delicious and part of me wants to try it before it's gone, but I'm also scared there might be a rotten orange mixed in…
    Guess I'll just brace for a stomachache and give it a shot.
    149AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:52
    Re: #9
    I heard somewhere it uses some kind of tech to screen out spoiled fruit or blue mold.
    Sounded interesting and I always wanted to try one,
    so I'll give it a shot before it disappears.
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:21
    That kind of machine feels special at a tourist spot or a fancy hotel and makes you want to try it,
    but stuck in some random shopping mall, not so much.
    24AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:23
    Re: #19
    Malls usually already have a shop selling regular orange juice,
    so why would you go out of your way to buy from a vending machine that makes you worried about hygiene.
    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:22
    164AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:55
    Re: #22
    (・∀・;) brings back memories
    188AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:00
    Re: #22
    The kind where you panic right after putting your money in.
    Love me some Oasis (an old fountain-style juice vending machine brand).
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:23
    The one near me has been installed for at least two years, but they recently dropped the price to a 'trial' rate of 250 yen.
    180AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:57
    Re: #25
    So the 'service ending' flag was already up.
    The 'trial price' is just a cover story — the real reason is clearing out stock before shutdown.
    28AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:23
    This is the one you'd want for some nostalgic arcade-style fun.
    https://sarueglass.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/hoshizaki01.jpg
    38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:25
    Re: #28
    Thought it might be a fountain-style juice machine — and it was.
    76AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:33
    Re: #28
    10 yen a cup?
    209AnonymousAug 22, 2026 10:08
    Re: #28
    Very on-brand for Hoshizaki (a Japanese commercial kitchen-equipment maker).
    51AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:27
    Super cold and tasty, but pricey.
    Better than Pon Juice (a famous Ehime orange juice brand).
    Went back for it a few times, but I never once saw anyone else drinking it lol.
    There's one at the Gotemba outlet mall too, and even with all the foreign tourists around, nobody was buying it.
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:31
    I can't shake the image of preservatives and fungicides getting squeezed in right along with it.
    Then again, maybe that's true of store-bought juice too.
    81AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:35
    Re: #65
    For store-bought juice, it's probably not a case of importing preservative-treated oranges and squeezing them domestically —
    more often they're squeezed and concentrated at the source before any preservatives are even applied.
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:38
    Re: #65
    In the end, I never used one because of that.
    105AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:41
    Pesticides, fungicides, or just plain mold — too scary to drink.
    Though price-wise it's actually cheap relative to what it costs to make.
    114AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:43
    Re: #105
    Most of it's imported, same as lemons —
    soaked in pesticides and fungicides.
    124AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:47
    All right then, tell me: what exactly is 'Pon Juice'?
    153AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:53
    Re: #124
    It's Ehime's 'honest, sincere juice' (the brand's actual slogan).
    135AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:49
    Re: #1
    I like it — it's tasty and it's a novelty.
    138AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:49
    Never used it because I was worried about hygiene.
    155AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:53
    Re: #138,142
    In a germophobic country like Japan, that alone is a huge hurdle.
    Makes you wonder how often they even clean the thing.
    148AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:51
    Pricey, but it was tasty. Of course the flavor varied a bit machine to machine and by season.
    The inside looked kind of sloshy and gunky, though — hygiene status unknown.
    162AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:55
    Re: #148
    It's kind of a mystery why people assume factory production automatically means it's hygienic, anyway.
    185AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:58
    We've already got Juicy.

    Background and Key Points

    Fresh-squeeze “whole orange” vending machines are a relatively new import to Japan: IJOOZ machines drop two or three whole oranges into a hopper, wash and squeeze them mechanically in front of the customer, and dispense a cup for roughly 500-600 yen — several times the price of a convenience-store carton or a can of Pon Juice, the well-known Ehime-brand juice several posters compared it to. The appeal is the theater of fresh squeezing, aimed at malls, stations, and tourist spots rather than everyday grocery buying, which is why it competed against, rather than replaced, bottled juice sold in the same locations.

    The thread’s real disagreement was about cause, not fact: some posters assumed the shutdown in Tokai, Hiroshima, and Kyushu meant the machines were unsafe or unsanitary, while others (post 184) pointed out that a genuine hygiene defect would trigger a nationwide withdrawal, not a partial, region-by-region one — meaning slow sales in those specific markets is the far more likely explanation, especially given the report that at least one machine had already been discounted to a “trial” price beforehand.

    What the thread doesn’t mention is that the service is only ending in those three regions — IJOOZ machines are continuing to operate elsewhere in Japan, which readers unfamiliar with the original announcement might not realize from the headline alone. Readers should also note that the posters’ hygiene fears (mold, pesticide residue, uneven cleaning) are speculation about the internal mechanism, not confirmed reporting; the article itself cites no food-safety findings behind the closure.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “🍊Fresh-Squeezed Orange Juice Vending Machine ‘IJOOZ’ to End Service in Tokai, Hiroshima, and Kyushu.”

  • Hachinohe City Sets Up Site Selection Committee for Vanraure Hachinohe’s New Stadium — 5ch: ‘It’s Just Going to End Up an Abandoned Stadium’

    Hachinohe City in Aomori Prefecture has announced it will establish a site selection committee for a new stadium for J2 club Vanraure Hachinohe, aiming to decide on a location by June 2027. The club’s home ground, Purefoods Stadium, fails to meet J.League requirements — it lacks a roof over the stands, among other issues — and the club must submit a stadium development plan to the J.League by November, two years from now. On 5ch, opinions split over whether tax money should be spent, with commenters citing the cases of Akita and Hiroshima.

    This is about the new stadium development for J2 football club Vanraure Hachinohe.

    Hachinohe City in Aomori Prefecture has decided to establish a committee of experts to select a site, aiming to decide on a location by June of next year, 2027.

    Vanraure Hachinohe’s home ground, Purefoods Stadium, does not meet J2 requirements — it lacks a roof covering the spectator seats, among other issues — and to keep its license, the club must submit a development plan for a new stadium to the J.League by November, two years from now.

    Source: newsdig.tbs.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:28
    Why do citizens' taxes have to pay for a stadium just so soccer players can make money?
    It's like people who want to open restaurants demanding the prefecture or city build their storefronts with tax money!

    If you need a place to make your own money, build it yourself! If you can't, rent something that already exists! Don't use tax money to pay the usage fees!

    Pay the stadium usage fees properly like everyone else, and if there's still profit left over, then take your salary.
    Why do we have to feed you soccer players with our taxes?


    【Soccer players are the enemy of the Japanese people】

    Now I totally get why people say that.
    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:31
    Re: #2
    The contractors with vested interests through their politicians are doing exactly that in Aomori.
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:42
    Re: #2
    In any municipality, it's elected councilors deciding on J.League investment by majority vote in the assembly. Do you just not like democracy?
    3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:31
    In hyper-depopulated Aomori, approving something like this right before the unified local elections would guarantee you lose your seat, so this reeks of a construction-firm 5% kickback scheme.
    9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:37
    In 50 or 100 years, Hachinohe City and Aomori Prefecture will both be gone.
    Heck, Japan itself might be finished too.
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:38
    Poor clubs like Akita's should just be disbanded.
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:40
    If the J.League pivots toward a Premier League-style model,
    a lower-league club like Hachinohe won't need a new stadium at all.
    13AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:40
    Re: #4
    Some idiot from the entrenched local pork-barrel faction ("dotsubo-tō," slang for old-guard local politicians) is probably steamrolling this through, lol
    15AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:43
    Here's what happened to Akita Prefecture, which built seven baseball stadiums with capacities over 10,000 using tax money — despite having no pro baseball team.

    Akita Prefecture has the most severe aging and declining-birthrate problem in Japan. According to the Cabinet Office's White Paper on the Aging Society, its aging rate (share of population 65+) is 39.5%, the highest in the nation, and its child population ratio is 10.9%, the lowest in the nation.
    16AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:47
    People often get this wrong, but the city is the one who wants to build this, you know?
    Vanraure here is just the tenant — a team most people are hearing about for the first time isn't exactly some powerful pressure group.
    They probably asked for it, sure, but the decision is the city's to make.

    It's like telling a ramen shop moving into a building under construction, 'If you're gonna profit here, you pay for the construction costs' — that's a weird way to put it, right? (´・ω・`)
    If they want to recoup costs, that should just be reflected in the rent. If it's still running a deficit even after charging a reasonable rent, then the building's just too extravagant.
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:48
    Re: #1
    Hirosaki City Sports Park Baseball Stadium (Haruka Yume Kyujo)
    https://www.kajima.co.jp/news/digest/apr_2019/cover_photo/index.html

    I want Hachinohe to build a stadium that doesn't lose to Hirosaki's.
    18AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:51
    Re: #17
    Why build something so wasteful…
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:52
    Re: #18
    Probably because Hirosaki wanted to attract Rakuten (the pro baseball team) and pushed for the development. With the Aomori National Sports Festival happening, it was a good chance to pull funding from the national government.
    20AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:55
    Re: #18
    The national government kicks in a percentage of subsidies.
    It keeps local construction companies running, young workers gather and settle down,
    they spend money locally.
    It's a run-of-the-mill economic stimulus move, and Hiroshima is doing exactly this right now.
    Honestly my mental image of the area in front of Hiroshima Station is just permanently covered in construction sheeting at this point (´・ω・`)
    And while construction is happening, the local economy is genuinely thriving, so there's barely any criticism.
    Then a while after they finished Sanfrecce's stadium, the prefectural governor — who was still pretty young — stepped down.
    Well, that's just how it goes (´・ω・`)
    I don't know if it's good or bad.
    Maybe it's a necessary evil.
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:56
    Hachinohe actually has a pretty thriving secondary-industry sector beyond fishing and seafood processing too — companies like Mitsubishi Paper and Hachinohe Smelting are based there.
    Even seafood caught off Hakodate is cheaper there than buying it in Hakodate itself.
    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:57
    Re: #20
    Not really sure what you're getting at, but there's no demand for baseball anymore, so they should just build something else.
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:03
    Re: #22
    I'm sure someone's said that too (´・ω・`)
    But specifically, what's something that gets subsidies AND keeps local construction firms busy for years at a time?
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 07:59
    The way to fight this is to file a resident audit request after the assembly passes the stadium budget. Though only Hachinohe residents can actually do that.
    29AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:06
    Re: #25
    Why not just dig a hole and fill it back in?
    More entertaining to watch than baseball, honestly.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:07
    Re: #29
    Right? lol Can't answer, can you? Nothing comes to mind, does it? (´・ω・`)
    33AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:09
    Re: #12
    If they get rid of promotion and relegation, the league itself will decline, so they'd never do that.
    34AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:11
    Making a soccer stadium the core of city planning takes a serious amount of commitment.
    36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:11
    Re: #34
    Commitment to dying, maybe.
    48AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:24
    All over Japan there are stadiums nobody can afford to maintain, just left abandoned.
    This is going to end up as another one of those abandoned stadiums.
    62AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:32
    Re: #48
    There already are plenty — all those baseball stadiums built for no good reason.
    101AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:10
    Re: #48
    That refers to the baseball stadiums scattered across the country.
    The needlessly huge ones — Mascat Stadium, Botchan Stadium, Akita Komachi Stadium, and the like —
    will get called out over their upkeep costs sooner or later.
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:26
    The J.League really needs to stop letting in clubs that can't secure a proper stadium, and kick out the ones already in the league that still haven't.
    106AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:14
    Re: #50
    For clubs like Akita that just dawdle and never make progress,
    I think it's only fair to set a deadline and relegate them if they miss it.
    The Akita mayor's been throwing out complaints, acting like the original plan is none of his concern.
    71AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:43
    Hiroshima's at the bottom too, but they're still putting in the effort, you know? (´・ω・`)
    Let me flip the question — is it the 'correct' use of tax money to just sit on a small pile of it, never developing anything, never taking any chances?
    Is that the right answer?
    77AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:48
    Re: #71
    Framing it as 'effort' vs. 'no effort' is just spiritualism.
    If trying hard actually fixed things, Japan's population wouldn't have declined this much.
    78AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:48
    For starters, I'd want every club from J1 to J3 to pay the full home stadium usage fee — not some percentage of ticket revenue — as a matter of course, before anyone starts talking about new stadiums.
    81AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:50
    Re: #78
    It's Hachinohe City that's motivated here, though.
    96AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:02
    Only 19 home games a year? The whole system needs rethinking at this point.
    99AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:07
    Re: #96
    Artificial turf (the modern hybrid kind),
    a roof over just part of the stands,
    some seating areas replaced with grass

    That's the only way to boost the usage rate, increase general public use,
    and make it more of a public-benefit facility.

    Background and Key Points

    The J.League operates a strict club-licensing system: to hold a J2 (second-tier) license, a club’s home stadium must meet minimum standards, including roofed spectator seating, floodlights, and score/broadcast facilities — rules originally modeled on continental norms so Japanese stadiums could host larger crowds and TV coverage. Vanraure Hachinohe’s current ground, Purefoods Stadium, doesn’t meet these standards, so the club faces losing its license unless a compliant stadium plan is filed with the league by November 2027. Hachinohe sits in Aomori, one of Japan’s most depopulated and fastest-aging prefectures, which is why any large public construction project there draws scrutiny over cost versus need.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t “stadiums are good or bad” but who is actually driving this and why. Some posters treated it as taxpayers subsidizing pro athletes’ private profit; others (post 16) pointed out the city, not the club, is the one initiating and funding the project — Vanraure is essentially a tenant with little political leverage of its own. From there the debate split further between framing new stadiums as wasteful “public works for construction firms” (citing Akita’s unused baseball stadiums) versus a deliberate, subsidy-driven regional stimulus strategy, as posters described happening around Hiroshima’s Sanfrecce stadium.

    What the thread never addresses is the practical stakes: losing J2 status isn’t hypothetical belt-tightening, it’s relegation, which would cut broadcast revenue and league prestige for the whole city — a consequence largely left out of the tax-money framing.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Soccer] J2 club Vanraure Hachinohe’s new stadium development — Hachinohe City aims to decide on a site by June 2027, sets up site selection committee.”

  • JAF Car Stopped at Railroad Crossing Sparks Feud with Tailgater — 5ch Debates Who’s Really at Fault

    A dispute between a JAF (Japan Automobile Federation) staffer’s car, which had stopped short of a railroad crossing, and the car behind it — which allegedly closed the gap and tried to force its way past — has become a hot topic on 5ch. Police say they found no evidence of tailgating, but some posters argue the front car pulled forward just as the crossing gates were coming down, splitting opinion over which driver bears the greater fault. The debate has since spread to who would ultimately be on the hook for damages owed to the railway company.

    1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:14
    You don't get to enter the crossing just because the car in front of you stopped, come on.
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:21
    There was plenty of road width to swing into the oncoming lane and just pass him — that's all it would've taken.
    Sounds more like he got pissed off at being stopped and decided to get out of his car and make a scene.
    24AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:31
    Re: #14
    Is there an actual source for that?
    Or is that just your personal take?
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:24
    Was he even being tailgated for real?
    Or is he just being paranoid?
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:27
    Re: #17
    Even if he was, entering a railroad crossing while the car ahead is stopped is the abnormal move here.
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:31
    "Stop right after clearing the crossing — maybe I can trap him in there"
    ↑
    Thinking about this calmly, this is way too messed up…
    Doesn't sound like a sane state of mind to be in.
    28AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:34
    Re: #23
    Guess he never imagined the guy behind him could be that stupid.
    36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:39
    👮 "We found no evidence of the tailgating the JAF guy is claiming."
    👮 "After reviewing the dashcam footage, the car pulled forward right as the crossing gate finished coming down, so we're treating this as attempted murder."

    And there's your answer.
    40AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:41
    Re: #36
    Thanks, officer.
    38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:40
    The police's ruling doesn't even matter
    The real question is liability for damages to the railway company
    and that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train.
    55AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:45
    Re: #38
    >that share falls on whoever drove into the crossing knowing full well they'd collide with the train

    Wow, what beautiful Japanese (mocking how garbled/awkward that sentence reads).
    96AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:21
    Re: #38
    Wonder how this one's gonna shake out
    Watching this closely since it could set precedent for fault ratios in cases where you crash while swerving around an illegally parked car.
    47AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:43
    Well, tailgating him all the way up to the crossing itself pretty much proves he was tailgating, right?
    If you're driving normally, you don't enter a crossing when there's no room ahead of you.
    67AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:54
    Re: #47
    Tailgating aside, riding someone's bumper into a railroad crossing isn't something a normal driver does.
    51AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:43
    Isn't the guy who barrels in the one at fault here, when the car ahead might've simply broken down and stopped like normal?
    57AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:46
    Re: #51
    If it's just a breakdown, you can steer around it or deal with it somehow, you know
    Maybe not you, though.
    60AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:47
    Now that the police have ruled out tailgating, the JAF guy's story is falling apart

    You guys lost.
    62AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:50
    Re: #60
    Who exactly are you even arguing with at this point?
    63AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:51
    https://jaf.or.jp/common/kuruma-qa/category-trouble/subcategory-support/faq287
    [Q] What should I do if I'm the victim of tailgating ("aori unten")?
    [A] Take refuge somewhere that seems safe and has plenty of witnesses around, like a parking lot.

    JAF's own Q&A page says this, and yet a veteran staffer went and pulled a stunt this far out of line…
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:52
    Re: #63
    He probably wanted the train passengers to witness it.
    66AnonymousAug 22, 2026 08:53
    Front car gets indicted for attempted murder
    Rear car gets their license revoked for obstructive driving

    Yeah, this is how it ends.
    82AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:10
    Re: #66
    Guess judgment's coming down on both of them.
    78AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:04
    JAF's guy being in the wrong, sure, fair enough — but the tailgater who wouldn't keep a safe following distance playing the victim? Can't accept that.
    83AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:11
    Re: #78
    Feels like we haven't actually heard much from the "victim's" side — did he actually play the victim card?
    128AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:34
    Re: #78
    Tailgating still hasn't even been confirmed, you know.
    93AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:18
    Under the Road Traffic Act, you're not allowed to enter a railroad crossing unless you can confirm it's safe to get all the way through

    100% on the car behind.
    98AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:22
    Re: #93
    >100% on the car behind

    What is??? (huh, come again???)
    103AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:23
    Re: #93
    Going by traffic law alone, sure, but since he deliberately parked himself inside the crossing and held things up, both of them are getting dinged for this.
    105AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:24
    Re: #93
    The JAF staffer also broke the rule against stopping within 10 meters of a crossing — don't just conveniently ignore that.
    107AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:24
    Re: #103
    Front car: attempted murder charge
    But damages owed to the railway: 100% on the rear car.
    112AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:26
    Re: #107
    Yeah, that's probably how the damages side shakes out.
    116AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:28
    Re: #107
    Hope it goes that way.
    114AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:27
    Man, people on this board are genuinely scary
    The damages claim would land on the front car too, you know.
    117AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:29
    Re: #114
    People arguing from pure emotion with zero knowledge of the law or the rules are the scary ones.
    123AnonymousAug 22, 2026 09:32
    Re: #114
    Doesn't seem like there's solid enough grounds to state that so confidently
    If anything, there's actual grounds for the "victim" to be billed for damages instead
    though the railway company probably won't bother going after them.

    Background and Key Points

    Police found no tailgating evidence, so the JAF driver’s claim rests on the dashcam timing near the crossing gates. The thread is really wrestling with a specific legal question, and the background matters for a non-Japanese reader.

    Police cannot cite drivers for tailgating (“aori unten,” codified under Japan’s 2020 anti-tailgating amendment to the Road Traffic Act) without corroborating evidence, and here they say the dashcam shows none — undercutting the JAF employee’s account rather than vindicating the driver behind him. Separately, Japan’s Road Traffic Act flatly bars entering a railroad crossing (fumikiri) unless a driver can confirm they can clear it entirely before the gates close; violating that carries its own penalty independent of who was at fault for the initial stop. JAF itself, in its own consumer-facing guidance on tailgating victims, tells drivers to flee to a safe, witnessed location like a parking lot rather than stop somewhere as exposed as a crossing — a detail posters flagged as ironic given a JAF staffer’s own alleged conduct here.

    What the thread actually splits on is not whether the rear driver behaved badly, but whether liability for property damage owed to the railway company would track criminal fault at all. Several posters argue the front car could face attempted-murder-level scrutiny for deliberately trapping someone, while the rear car could still bear most or all of the railway compensation simply because entering an unclear crossing is a strict per-se violation. That gap — criminal culpability sitting with one driver while civil/damages liability sits with the other — is the crux, and it’s genuinely unsettled precedent, not something 5ch can resolve.

    What outsiders likely miss: nothing here has been adjudicated. “No evidence of tailgating” is a police statement about an ongoing matter, not a court ruling, and Japanese railway operators routinely pursue full compensation from whoever entered the crossing regardless of provocation.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Who’s really at fault — the JAF staffer who stopped at the crossing, or the “victim” who closed the gap behind him?“.