Category: Tech

  • Should You Carry Two Phones? 5channel Users Can’t Agree

    A thread titled “Carrying Two Phones Is the Only Way to Go,” posted on 5channel’s “Morning Coffee” board, drew a stream of real-world examples — people running both an iPhone and an Android device, or using dual-SIM setups as a hedge against carrier outages. Pushback followed too, with some arguing “one dual-SIM phone is plenty” or that carrying two phones is just gadget hobbyism dressed up as practicality, splitting the thread between a practicality camp and a minimalist camp. The conversation then drifted into how people lug around laptops, Chromebooks, and tablets, sparking a lively side debate about setting up a workspace on the go.

    1AnonymousSep 28, 2026 09:46
    Anyone who starts an iPhone vs. Android flame war thread is an idiot.
    Can't you just buy both?
    (Case in point) went out for McDonald's breakfast this morning and realized I'd forgotten my iPhone.
    2AnonymousSep 28, 2026 09:48
    Best strategy: own a pile of phones and stay simultaneously connected on every single one ("dōsetsu" — running concurrent connections, e.g. to pad live-stream viewer counts).
    3AnonymousSep 28, 2026 09:49
    If you're a single guy living alone with just one internet line, you're screwed the moment that line goes down — so I can't relax unless I've got both an Android and an iPhone on different carriers.
    And yeah, docomo actually goes down a fair amount.
    9AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:11
    Re: #3
    Just use dual-SIM, problem solved.
    5AnonymousSep 28, 2026 09:59
    If all you need is to switch carriers, just get a dual-SIM phone and switch on that.
    12AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:13
    Re: #5
    That's actually more of a hassle.
    One line per phone is simpler.
    Get an iPhone 17e and a mid-range Android, and the combined price is still less than one expensive phone like an 18 Pro or a pricey Sony model — you can have two for the price of one.
    7AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:01
    Are flame-war threads really that fascinating to you?
    10AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:12
    Re: #7
    Where's this fight even happening? On Edge (the browser)?
    8AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:07
    If you're on docomo's irumo 0.5GB plan, you get access to docomo's free Wi-Fi in a lot of places.
    Just put the cheapest possible plan on your second SIM and that's plenty.
    Honestly, Povo works fine too.
    Anyone who can't manage two phones is a jobless shut-in.
    11AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:12
    If you want two phones, just use your current one plus whatever you had before you upgraded.
    14AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:15
    If it just sits in your bag the whole time, the battery's gonna die anyway.
    15AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:15
    I carry two because I hate getting a call on the phone I'm not currently using.
    17AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:16
    Who even needs a Chromebook?
    18AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:18
    Re: #17
    It's the lightest and most convenient.
    I use mine for quick coding sessions when I'm out.
    20AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:21
    Re: #18
    Windows laptops are lighter though.
    22AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:25
    Re: #20
    You'll get it once you actually use a Chromebook.
    It's plenty for simple tasks.
    The only downside is it's useless without an internet connection.
    21AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:25
    Carrying three laptops around — isn't that seriously heavy?
    25AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:26
    Re: #21
    Come on, you'd only actually carry one at a time.
    23AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:25
    I run zero phones (no cell phone at all, they're annoying) — just Windows 11 and Debian.
    26AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:27
    I've got an AQUOS — always buy it outright, so I still have all my old models lying around too.
    27AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:27
    Re: #22
    For that kind of use, putting Linux on a tablet beats a Chromebook — way more UL (ultralight).
    Most people don't even realize this, but you can actually use a terminal on both iOS and iPadOS.
    33AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:30
    Re: #27
    With a Chromebook you don't even need to install anything — just flip on Linux from developer mode.
    28AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:28
    I've got five phones: an iPhone 15, an SE2, a Galaxy, an OPPO, and a Xiaomi.
    Only the 15 I paid for outright in cash — the rest I picked up for ¥0 or ¥1,000 upfront through carrier-switching deals on cheap MVNOs like Rakuten, OCN, and IIJ.
    I use each one for a different purpose.
    Even so, running all five together — with some number-porting tricks — costs me under ¥5,000 a month.
    30AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:29
    Android or iPhone, whatever, I don't care —
    but isn't one phone enough?
    35AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:31
    Re: #30
    Messing around with different models is fun, and it keeps you from getting stuck in one mindset.
    They're basically toys, and toys are fun no matter how many you have — managing them individually isn't so bad either.
    32AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:29
    Maybe put that energy into something more productive.
    34AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:31
    Chromebooks are expensive AND not even that light.
    41AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:33
    Even if mobile ordering happens to be down that one time, can't you just order normally?
    42AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:34
    When I start reading a book on the train, some people quickly put their phone away and pull out a book too.
    I guess being glued to your phone still has that kind of image.
    43AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:36
    That's just a coincidence — they probably just happened to start reading a book.
    44AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:40
    Funny how someone so into phones still manages to forget their main one at home.
    46AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:42
    I forgot it precisely because I felt safe knowing it was in my bag.
    What if the battery had died anyway?
    47AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:46
    I'm the anxious type, so I used to carry a backup phone in case my main one suddenly broke.
    But lately I've been forgetting to.
    Guess I'll toss my Rakuten Mini with a Povo eSIM in my bag again.
    48AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:47
    Sure, it's sometimes needed for otaku activities, but you can just ask someone else to help with that — one phone is plenty.
    49AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:47
    Feels like the more capable someone is, the fewer things they actually carry.
    51AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:50
    That's just a gadget nerd rationalizing carrying two phones as an end in itself.
    52AnonymousSep 28, 2026 10:53
    I keep thinking a tablet would be handy, but I still haven't bought one.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    The “dual-SIM” setup discussed in the thread packs two carrier lines into a single device, and it has become increasingly popular in recent years as a way to combine cheap MVNO plans and eSIMs into a hedge against network outages. Carrying two separate phones, meanwhile, often comes down to practical economics too — keeping an old device as a backup instead of trading it in when upgrading, or picking up an extra handset for next to nothing (sometimes just a few hundred yen, sometimes free) through carrier-switching promotions. The clash in the thread between the “one-phone” camp and the “multiple-phone” camp ultimately comes down to differing values — prioritizing connection stability and traveling light versus enjoying a dedicated device for each purpose or simply collecting gadgets — and as the back-and-forth in the replies shows, there’s no single right answer here.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5channel (Hello! Project board) thread “Carrying Two Phones Is the Only Way to Go.”

  • Phones and Tablets Getting Super-Resolution + Frame Generation Too — the ‘No More Consoles Needed?’ Debate Splits Opinion

    Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon chip has been revealed to support “ANF,” a feature that boosts image quality and frame rates through super-resolution and frame generation — and Unreal Engine and Unity have already added support for it. According to the explanation, it can push 16fps up to 52fps, suggesting an era is approaching where even smartphones and tablets can comfortably run demanding games. When this story was reposted to 5ch’s Hardware/Industry (Geha) board, comments clashed between “won’t dedicated game consoles become unnecessary now?” and rebuttals like “the walls of heat, battery life, and controls won’t be so easily overcome,” sparking a debate over pricing, device lifespan, and whether controller support is even worth it.

    Super-resolution + frame generation coming to Android too — Snapdragon’s new GPU takes 16fps to 52fps

    Qualcomm has explained that game engines like Unreal Engine and Unity already support ANF, and it’s expected that more game titles will gradually add ANF support going forward.

    Source: pc.watch.impress.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousSep 27, 2026 16:34
    If upscaling + frame generation become standard along with 512GB storage being the norm on phones and tablets
    dedicated hardware is seriously going to get wiped out
    11AnonymousSep 27, 2026 16:49
    Re: #3
    Storage prices are climbing, so makers are cutting corners there — not gonna happen
    90AnonymousSep 27, 2026 19:01
    Re: #3
    So mobile Genshin Impact could end up looking PS5-level?
    That'd be rough for Japan's PlayStation market, where pay-once games barely sell to begin with
    9AnonymousSep 27, 2026 16:46
    As long as phone controls don't improve, Switch 2's advantage isn't going anywhere
    64AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:20
    Re: #9
    What advantage does a standard controller with garbage ergonomics even have 🤔?
    The Pro Controller?
    With a phone you can hook up all sorts of controllers lol
    16AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:05
    Can you even run Breath of the Wild on a phone?
    20AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:07
    Re: #16
    That's a game that runs fine on junk hardware with an AnTuTu score of like 200,000
    21AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:07
    Re: #16
    It's been running on Android emulators for ages already
    19AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:07
    Breath of the Wild was just one example.
    I don't play mobile games so I genuinely want to know.
    Can you actually play something on a phone that's normally built around 20 buttons?
    24AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:10
    Re: #19
    Clip-on controllers for phones and 8-inch tablets have existed forever
    And on a phone or tablet, the 'not enough buttons' problem is less of an issue than on a regular handheld console, since you can assign extra buttons and keys right onto the touchscreen
    25AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:14
    Re: #19
    You seriously can't wrap your head around 'just plug in a gamepad'?
    That's rough for someone your age
    Are you like 70 and still rocking a flip phone or something
    28AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:20
    Re: #25
    I just figured mobile games were meant to be played on the phone itself
    So you're saying people carry a gamepad around separately
    Isn't that a hassle?
    35AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:38
    Re: #28
    Guess it seems that way if you're stuck in old assumptions
    Nobody's asking you specifically to play games anyway
    So it's fine if that works for you
    29AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:21
    Honestly, what's actually becoming unnecessary is the PC
    Play console exclusives on console, and for indie games that get buzz but never come to console, just buy them on Steam and play through something like GameHub

    Do that and the reality is you never need to buy a gaming PC
    Phone performance climbs every year, so the pool of games that run comfortably just keeps growing
    For phone play, 720p on medium settings capped at 60fps is plenty, and for indie games battery drain isn't even that harsh
    32AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:28
    Re: #29
    Replacing it every year is terrible value for money
    That toy is never going to catch on
    49AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:55
    Re: #29
    Sounds like what's actually going to become unnecessary is a console that can only play games lol
    80AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:41
    Re: #29
    If you've never touched a PC, you don't need to force yourself to weigh in
    30AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:24
    Battery and cooling are going to be a real problem on phones
    Normal people aren't buying some gimmicky phone with a built-in fan, and it'd cost a ridiculous amount anyway
    31AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:28
    Re: #30
    If price isn't a concern and you're fine using a newer process node, phones with Switch 2-level gaming performance already exist
    34AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:36
    Re: #31
    Something like the iPhone 18 Pro has about 1.5x the performance of a docked Switch 2
    37AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:42
    Re: #34
    At 1.5x, but since phones don't get DLSS, the actual gaming experience probably still ends up worse than the Switch
    94AnonymousSep 27, 2026 19:20
    Re: #34
    All the more reason I want a Nintendo phone then
    One where Android sleeps in the background and it boots the actual Switch 2 OS natively instead of through virtualization
    Seems like there'd be enough power for that
    33AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:34
    Looked it up real quick — apparently Resident Evil 8 runs on an iPhone 15 Pro. Price: 160,000 yen.
    And on top of that you need to carry around a separately-sold controller.

    Wouldn't a Switch 2 just be better?
    38AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:43
    Listening to all this, a Switch 2 plus a decently capable phone sounds like plenty
    And that combo seems cheaper anyway
    39AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:44
    Re: #33
    Personally, if I can play with just a controller, I don't need a game console
    Though strictly speaking it'd be a tablet rather than a phone for me
    I already use a tablet at home for reading, so if it can play games too, I don't need a console
    41AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:47
    Re: #39
    With a tablet you can watch videos or read lying down, but you can't really game like that, right?
    You have to prop it up.
    That does seem inconvenient, now that I think about it
    51AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:55
    Re: #41
    I mostly prop it up, but I could probably manage lying down too
    If it can genuinely deliver a satisfying gaming experience, there's at least no reason to buy a Switch or PlayStation
    Honestly I just wish Steam would support phones directly
    58AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:05
    Re: #41
    Rhythm games and shooters are easier on a tablet than a phone
    Like at Pro Yakyuu Spirits (baseball game) tournaments, 90% of the players use an iPad
    44AnonymousSep 27, 2026 17:52
    Mobile gaming stutters from overheating, cooling and battery are both weak, and if it's built around a controller anyway the whole point is lost — plus since it gets hammered daily for everything, it only lasts 1-2 years, yet costs around 200,000 yen, doesn't even have that many decent games, and comparing it to consoles is honestly laughable
    Only mobile-gacha addicts hype this stuff up; normal people who actually play consoles don't give it a second glance
    53AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:00
    Re: #44
    I mean, most games and gacha titles people actually play on phones are old anyway, and if you've got the latest model or one gen back, heat and battery aren't really a problem
    Just stick to games that actually have proper controller support
    The ones that don't are genuinely trash, sure
    And yeah, there really aren't many good games — it's mostly gacha apps
    Price doesn't bother me since it's a phone I use every day anyway, and I'll be replacing it regardless of lifespan
    There really aren't as many downsides as people say
    The only real issue as a gaming device is the lack of games
    57AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:03
    Honestly, if you actually want to game, you'd be happier putting about half of what you'd spend on a phone into a console or PC instead
    Even a phone around 100,000 yen these days runs most mobile apps fine — you don't need to drop 200,000-300,000 on one
    Especially for something you're just carrying around
    62AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:13
    Re: #57
    The motivation is backwards to begin with
    It starts with wanting a device that can make calls and get online, and then 'oh, it'd be nice if the device I already have could also play games'
    That's the order it goes in
    That's exactly why dedicated consoles lose to general-purpose devices
    61AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:10
    Trash-tier 'Portal'… 😭

    Total garbage! Selling it!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HTLjLimbkAAd_-8.jpg?name=orig
    https://x.com/ma_sasan1020/status/2103993770564075641?s=46

    It's only really useful for something like not wanting to miss your Dragon Quest X daily quests or login bonus while out on a business trip.
    Honestly, just having the PS Remote Play app on your phone is enough anyway.
    And on top of that, if the PS console itself crashes with an error, you can't even recover it without operating the console directly — no saving grace there.
    In short, it's not worth paying that much money for.
    Don't need it…
    https://x.com/attyzr/status/2104132726244950281?s=46

    It was way more of a pain to use than I expected, so I said goodbye to it right after buying it
    Sold it instantly on Mercari for 25,000 yen, FYI
    https://x.com/kurashigear365/status/2104123343872180355?s=46

    Sorry for the reply out of nowhere (not a follower of yours), but I've only touched it three times total in the three years since I bought it…
    https://x.com/f2d47fef1f34475/status/2104124794975432875?s=46
    89AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:56
    Re: #61
    Sounds like a 'your setup' problem (おま環 — shorthand for 'it's your environment, not the product')

    Your connection's just bad

    Case closed, I win
    63AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:18
    It's precisely because it's a general-purpose device that affordability matters more than extra performance
    For most people who own a phone, storage is already packed just from the OS alone
    87AnonymousSep 27, 2026 18:53
    If you can casually drop 200,000 yen on a phone or tablet in the first place, a console is pocket change by comparison lol
    93AnonymousSep 27, 2026 19:19
    Re: #87
    iPhones and other smartphones are mostly bought through installment/lease plans (残クレ, a residual-value credit scheme) these days 🥺
    According to Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications data, that's reached about 61% (as of Q3 FY2024)

    If it was already that high two years ago, the ratio's probably climbed even higher by now 🥹
    101AnonymousSep 27, 2026 19:57
    Re: #87
    Cheap or not, if you don't need it, you don't need it
    Like, do you need a PS5 if you already have a PC? Same logic 😁

    Background and key points of this discussion

    The original article reports that Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon chip supports AI-driven super-resolution and frame generation (ANF), and that Unreal Engine and Unity already support it — it isn’t reporting on any specific console or new product launch. In the thread, optimistic views that improved smartphone/tablet performance will make dedicated consoles unnecessary clashed with opinions pointing out practical hurdles like heat, battery drain, controller ergonomics, and the cost of replacing a device every year. Worth keeping in mind: Japan in particular has a high share of home consoles and handhelds like the Switch, and mobile games are overwhelmingly free-to-play — so whether subscription or pay-once console games actually get displaced by phones hinges not just on raw performance but also on differences in sales models and controls.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry [Geha]) thread “[Bad news for consoles] The era of super-resolution + frame generation is coming to phones and tablets too…“.

  • ‘Whale Graveyard’ Discovered 7,000m Deep — 5ch: ‘Maybe It’s Like a Royal Tomb’

    In the deep sea roughly 7,000 meters down off the west coast of Australia, researchers have discovered a vast graveyard-like site where the bones of nearly 500 whales have gathered. Reported by National Geographic and picked up via Yahoo! News, the find became a hot topic — most of the bones belong to beaked whales, a group whose ecology remains largely mysterious, with some possibly representing new species, and the oldest bones dating back around 5.3 million years. On 5ch’s Science News+ board, an anthropomorphizing theory that the whales deliberately chose this area as a place to die clashed with a more level-headed theory that the carcasses simply accumulated there due to ocean currents and terrain, and opinions were also split on whether 500 whales over 5 million years counts as “a lot.”

    “Whale Graveyard” Discovered 7,000m Deep: An Unusual Scale of Nearly 500 Whales — Why Here?

    The Oldest Dates Back About 5.3 Million Years; Most Are Bones of the Mysterious Beaked Whale, With Possible New Species Too

    A research team surveying the deep sea off the west coast of Australia by submersible has discovered a vast mass grave made up of the remains of nearly 500 whales.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 26, 2026 00:50
    'If we go by sea, we shall be corpses drowned in water' (Umi Yukaba) — did the whales die in battle too?
    3AnonymousSep 26, 2026 02:20
    Captain Kai◯eda: "Where is that monster?" (a nod to the sub captain from the manga The Silent Service)
    Sonar operator: "Whale One is about to exceed crush depth…"
    Sonar (cont.): "…6,850… 6,900… 6,950… 7,000…"
    Whale: "…(KA-BOOM)"
    Sonar operator: "Whale One has… imploded…"
    4AnonymousSep 26, 2026 05:14
    Imagine a whale dying of decompression sickness — how dumb.
    22AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:09
    Re: #4
    Apparently when a whale dies, gas builds up inside its body at first and it floats. The fact that they all end up piled in one spot feels like it's due to ocean currents.
    5AnonymousSep 26, 2026 05:25
    Re: #1
    Is this like their designated "end-of-life prep" zone? (shūkatsu — the Japanese practice of getting one's affairs in order before death)
    6AnonymousSep 26, 2026 05:33
    They say whales fight giant squid to the death in the deep sea — maybe they've been doing that since ancient times.
    7AnonymousSep 26, 2026 07:36
    Do whales offer prayers for their dead?
    8AnonymousSep 26, 2026 07:48
    They're probably just playing a "deepest dive" challenge with their buddies, and some dive too deep or run out of air and cross over to the next world.
    9AnonymousSep 26, 2026 07:55
    Does nobody realize the ocean has currents? They just died and drifted here.
    10AnonymousSep 26, 2026 08:07
    Re: #9
    So you're saying even if one dies on the exact opposite side of the planet, it'd still end up here?
    11AnonymousSep 26, 2026 08:10
    Gamera's graveyard.
    12AnonymousSep 26, 2026 08:12
    500 whales over 5 million years isn't much of a "graveyard."
    By that logic, wouldn't every city across all of Japan count as a graveyard too?
    15AnonymousSep 26, 2026 09:29
    Re: #12
    Maybe it's more like a royal tomb.
    13AnonymousSep 26, 2026 08:49
    >>A research team surveying the deep sea off the west coast of Australia by submersible…

    Oh no! So many intelligent, noble whales lying dead on the seafloor, how tragic! Hurry up and bring them to the surface!

    …shouldn't that be the reaction here?
    14AnonymousSep 26, 2026 09:28
    So does that mean they have a funeral culture?
    If so, they must have some concept of death, and maybe even religion
    and this has apparently continued for about 5 million years…
    16AnonymousSep 26, 2026 09:50
    Even kaiju have their own graveyards, after all.
    17AnonymousSep 26, 2026 09:56
    I don't think whales dive much past 3,000m.
    So I doubt it's a case of them heading toward some kind of landmark on the seafloor.
    It's probably more about the effect of slopes and terrain, plus weak deep-sea currents that make things gather there.
    19AnonymousSep 26, 2026 10:48
    If it were just accumulation from currents,
    you'd expect things other than whales to pile up too.
    Since they're specifically saying whales,
    that means the whales headed there themselves as a place to die.

    Also, even though they're mammals,
    unlike humans,
    their bodies are built to handle the deep sea, and it's been confirmed they can dive to around 3,000m.
    They may be capable of going even deeper than that.
    20AnonymousSep 26, 2026 10:57
    Don't they get decompression sickness?
    What kind of body structure do they even have?
    21AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:53
    Turns out the deep-sea submersible used for the survey was Chinese.
    Japan really has slipped into being a developing country at this point.
    23AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:14
    Is there some kind of magnetic field drawing whales in?
    25AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:39
    Sei Shōnagon: "Behold, the bones of a jellyfish." (a classical Heian-era phrase for something impossibly rare)
    26AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:56
    Is there a lot of ambergris down there?
    27AnonymousSep 26, 2026 14:48
    500 whales over 5 million years — is that actually a lot?
    28AnonymousSep 26, 2026 17:47
    One whale every 10,000 years in that area —
    is that actually a huge number when you consider how vast the ocean is?
    35AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:07
    Re: #28

    It's just that they were found because it's so deep.
    If it were shallower, they'd have decomposed away completely.
    29AnonymousSep 26, 2026 18:38
    Apparently the "elephant graveyard" thing is a myth.
    30AnonymousSep 26, 2026 18:39
    My local temple actually has an elephant grave!
    31AnonymousSep 26, 2026 18:51
    Even a whale, if it sinks 7,000m down, must get crushed by water pressure down to the size of a sanma (Pacific saury).
    33AnonymousSep 26, 2026 19:03
    Re: #31
    Only the unsupported lung cavity would collapse, and for species that exhale before diving, there's no compression at all.
    Same with humans — only the rib cage, which lacks rigid support, would collapse. It's not like a deep-sea diver's arms and legs get crushed, right?
    32AnonymousSep 26, 2026 19:02
    Lately China just keeps snapping up research like this one after another.

    With oil prices high and everyone competing for ship time, Japanese research institutions can't run long-distance or large-scale surveys,
    and they don't have enough deep-diving submersibles capable of operating at extreme depths either.
    All they're doing, on government orders, is playing at resource exploration with no realistic path to commercialization.
    34AnonymousSep 26, 2026 20:03
    Whales are big, so their bones tend to survive — but 5 million years?!
    36AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:36
    My mother died there, my father died there too, so I guess I'll die there as well…
    38AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:09
    So it's a spot the Shinkai 6500 can't reach?
    Hurry up with the Shinkai 12000.
    39AnonymousSep 27, 2026 06:58
    Acute oxygen deprivation.

    Background and Key Points of Debate

    Most of the bones found this time belong to beaked whales, a group whose ecology is still poorly understood. The research team surveyed the seafloor roughly 7,000 meters deep off the west coast of Australia using a submersible, and the oldest bones date back as far as about 5.3 million years. On the thread, the debate centered on an anthropomorphizing theory that whales deliberately choose this spot as a place to die versus a theory that the bones simply happened to accumulate there due to ocean currents and terrain. Opinions were also split on whether 500 whales over 5 million years should be considered “a lot” or “not a big deal.” There was also a comment claiming the whales “died of decompression sickness,” but this is a misunderstanding — whales dive by collapsing only their lungs, a mechanism entirely different from human-style decompression sickness. The point that bones survive better in the deep sea than in shallower waters, thanks to the low temperature and low oxygen slowing decomposition, is a factor also cited in actual oceanography alongside the current-accumulation theory, so some of the thread’s speculation isn’t far off the mark.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[National Geographic] “Whale Graveyard” Discovered 7,000m Deep, an Unusual Scale of Nearly 500 Whales — Why Here?.”

  • ‘SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada’ Ending Online Service — 5ch: “It’s a graveyard for third-party publishers”

    Bandai Namco’s online action title SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada has announced it will end its online service and produce an offline version instead. The thread buzzed over reports that Steam’s peak concurrent player count of 3,622 has now fallen to just 143, along with the game’s history of steep discounts — including sales as low as 300 yen (97% off). At the same time, many welcomed the offline version itself, since even the dedicated single-player mode originally required a constant internet connection. Much of the discussion centered on how this joins a string of short-lived online titles Bandai Namco has put out for PlayStation, including Sand Land, Code Vein, and Blue Protocol.

    Notice: ‘SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada’ — Online Service Discontinuation and Decision to Produce an Offline Version

    To everyone enjoying SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada,

    Thank you as always for playing SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada.

    Source: synduality-ada.bn-ent.net / Original announcement here

    2AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:07
    Well of course — they were running "one-coin" (¥500) fire sales.
    4AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:07
    Wasn't this already part of the "Special Price" budget line?
    PS, the third-party killer
    5AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:08
    Anyway, why's it taking so long to actually pull the plug on the online service?
    9AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:09
    Re: #5
    Read the source, dude.
    6AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:09
    This is the one that quietly bombed hard in Blue Protocol's shadow.
    7AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:09
    Following Let It Die, this one's going offline too — I'm glad, offline's just more relaxing to play.
    100AnonymousSep 27, 2026 00:27
    Re: #7
    Didn't know that.
    Went and bought an offline key.
    Thank god, thank god.
    8AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:09
    Honestly, if it's got an offline version I might actually want to give it a try.
    10AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:09
    December 2025:
    Added to the PS Plus free lineup

    October 2026:
    Online service ends
    12AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:11
    Wasn't this the one where the first-print/limited-edition bonus mech or skin gets stripped off you by high-level players?
    13AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:11
    Haven't seen the model kits around lately either — guess they all sold out? (sarcastic)
    18AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:15
    Re: #13
    Bandai keeps planning and pushing robot franchises other than Gundam, but Gundam's always the one that survives in the end.
    Even the Sentai show they kept alive by axing SD Gundam's timeslot has ended now.
    16AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:14
    Wasn't into the genre so I skipped it, but if it's going offline/single-player, I'm interested now.
    19AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:15
    So it's finally happening (´・ω・`)
    Played the Steam version for 300 yen and had a good time.
    The PvP was ridiculously stressful though lol
    20AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:17
    Bought it during the 97%-off sale but only got as far as making my character and poking around a bit.
    28AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:22
    Re: #1
    Steam peak concurrent: 3,622
    Current: 143
    https://steamdb.info/app/1245480/charts/
    32AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:28
    Re: #28
    A rival to Sony Interactive Entertainment, huh? (sarcastic)
    34AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:30
    Re: #28
    I mean, it's kind of wild that people actually burn their time on something like this.
    You'd get more out of life screwing in leveling bolts on an assembly line.
    37AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:34
    No matter how much Namco fumbles and drags things down, Bandai's there to cover the losses.
    40AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:36
    Re: #37
    Though ironically, none other than the Bandai Namco Group itself has been busy raising Sony's licensed-merchandise business into a solid rival to Bandai's own core licensing operations…
    41AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:36
    Bandai Namco hasn't released a single new title on Switch 2 this year — only belated ports.
    Doesn't look like they're about to go Switch 2-first from here, so they'll probably keep leaning on PlayStation.
    42AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:39
    Re: #41
    Square Enix and Capcom already went multi-platform on Switch 2 ages ago, though.
    In a way, at least they're being consistent.
    Guess they'll go down with PlayStation to the bitter end.
    75AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:23
    Re: #42
    Bandai Namco's games are made by subcontractors, you know.
    It's Nintendo that's the problem, barely handing out dev kits.
    80AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:27
    Re: #75
    Even indie devs manage to get dev kits — so what's the excuse for not getting one?
    81AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:27
    Re: #75
    There are tons of indie titles landing on Switch 2 every single week these days, though.
    47AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:45
    Is this related to that anime that was airing a while back?
    66AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:04
    Re: #47
    Yeah, the anime was part of the same multimedia push.
    50AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:47
    As for whether Bandai Namco has actually helped Sony, though, it's not just questionable — I'd call it nothing but harmful.
    The clearest case is the PS3 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure game. After that, the market for manga/anime licensed games on PlayStation hardware shrank fast and never recovered.
    53AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:50
    Re: #50
    Out of sheer obligation they make sure Nintendo hardware always gets ports late (as a bit of spite) — that counts as a contribution to Sony, doesn't it.
    59AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:56
    Is there even an offline mode?
    64AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:00
    Re: #59
    Nope.

    This product is an online-only game. It cannot be played while offline.

    The main mode of this game is competitive online play called "Online Raid," a Player vs Player vs Enemy (a.k.a. PvPvE) format.
    *Note: Even the solo mode, "Amasia Investigation," requires an internet connection.
    73AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:22
    Re: #59
    The single-player story mode does support offline play, but 90% of actual gameplay is online-only, so I'm curious how this'll play out.
    60AnonymousSep 26, 2026 22:57
    PlayStation's lineup just keeps racking up bodies:
    Sand Land
    Code Vein
    Blue Protocol
    Sword Art Online
    My Hero Academia
    SYNDUALITY
    67AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:14
    Re: #60
    Seriously, it's a graveyard for third-party publishers…



    First-party's been dead for 15 years already so it doesn't even count.
    63AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:00
    There's also Unknown 9, Bandai Namco's answer to Forspoken.
    74AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:22
    Re: #63
    That one's rough — chasing after another company's failure, and way too late to boot.
    There's nobody competent behind it.
    89AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:45
    A franchise that ran anime, model kits, and games all in parallel and flopped across the board on all three — honestly kind of impressive it lasted as long as it did.
    92AnonymousSep 26, 2026 23:49
    Re: #89
    Impressive they pulled off a full media-mix rollout (a term nobody even uses anymore).
    Guess they really believed in this brand.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada is a Bandai Namco media-mix project spanning anime, model kits, and games simultaneously, developed as an online-only title built around PvPvE competitive play. The fact that even the solo “Amasia Investigation” mode required a constant connection is why many are welcoming the decision to produce an offline version. Opinion in the thread split over whether to see this shutdown as an isolated failure, or as just one more entry in a string of failed live-service titles Bandai Namco has released for PlayStation, such as Code Vein, Blue Protocol, and the My Hero Academia titles. Concerns about platform strategy also came up, tied to Bandai Namco currently avoiding new releases on Switch 2 — though this remains speculation, not something the company has officially explained. The drop in Steam’s concurrent player count is drawn from the platform’s own measured data and was cited to illustrate the scale of the service’s decline.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hardware/Industry, “Geha”) thread “Bandai Namco’s SYNDUALITY Echo of Ada Ends Online Service.”

  • NVIDIA CEO Says ‘Kids Don’t Need Math’ — 5ch Fires Back: ‘You Can’t Even Prompt AI Without Knowing the Concepts’

    A post spreading on X (formerly Twitter) claims that NVIDIA’s CEO said children won’t need to study math in the AI era, since scholarly work and research will be handled by AI instead — and it became a hot topic on a thread in 5ch’s “Nanademo Jikkyo G” (a live-commentary discussion board). The thread saw a head-on clash between posters arguing “you still need to grasp math concepts to give AI instructions” and those countering that “thinking of AI as just a tool is the outdated view.” The discussion eventually broadened into questions about what academic credentials are even worth, and which jobs will survive once AI is everywhere.

    NVIDIA’s CEO has flatly declared: “In the AI era, children don’t need to learn ‘math.’”

    How are you anti-AI folks going to answer this one?

    Source: x.com / See the original post here

    3AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:08
    You can't even give AI instructions if you don't understand the concepts.
    10AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
    Re: #3
    Found the idiot who still thinks AI is just a tool.
    4AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:08
    What happens if AI suddenly stops working one day?
    17AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:12
    Re: #4
    That's about as dumb as fretting over "what if smartphones suddenly stopped working worldwide" lol
    9AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
    AI can only output what it's been trained on.
    Even when AIs train other AIs, it's ultimately just distillation.
    12AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
    Re: #9
    AI is developing AI these days, you know.
    15AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
    Re: #9
    It can construct logic, so it's capable of development too.
    13AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
    If NVIDIA is the one saying this, the debate's basically settled.
    18AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:12
    Re: #13
    All I ever get from them is the impression it's just self-serving corporate talk.
    14AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
    Re: #10
    AI: "What would you like me to do?"
    Idiot: "I dunno…"
    42AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:18
    Re: #14
    Lol
    If you're not smart to begin with, you can't even judge whether the AI's right or wrong.
    25AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:14
    Humanity will stop being able to understand what AI creates, but competition will force us to keep pushing forward regardless — and the value of human intelligence will just keep shifting because of it.
    30AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:15
    Re: #25
    Who'd have thought a time would come when being smart is worth nothing.
    27AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:14
    The funniest part of the AI era is watching the people who busted their asses building up their skills panic as their sunk costs and pride collapse.
    Meanwhile there's this reversal happening where people with nothing invested just hand everything to AI and get results anyway.
    29AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:15
    Re: #27
    AI really did flip our values upside down.
    35AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:17
    Won't we still need to check whether AI is wrong or not?
    I honestly don't know how that's handled these days.
    39AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:18
    Re: #35
    What's your basis for saying humans are more trustworthy than AI?
    43AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:19
    Re: #39
    Does using AI turn you into someone who answers a question with a question?
    57AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:21
    Re: #39
    It's not about trust — only a human can know what a human actually wants, right?
    And it's a human who judges whether that's really what they wanted.
    38AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:17
    Where this trend is heading is seriously the end of human society as we know it.
    More precisely, the end of the middle class.
    A world of just a tiny chosen elite and manual laborers.
    Straight out of the movie Elysium.
    41AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:18
    Re: #38
    Universal basic income, surely.
    44AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:19
    Bottom-tier STEM guy: "What we do can only be done by humans."
    Top-tier STEM guy: "In the end humans can't beat AI, so having a human do it is just inefficient."
    What explains that gap?
    49AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Re: #44
    Maybe when you're that smart you just see through everything.
    Pretty much everyone at Meta, OpenAI, and that whole crowd says the same thing anyway.
    51AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Re: #44
    The bottom tier can't even use AI properly to begin with.
    52AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Re: #44
    Sunk cost, as always.
    45AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:19
    By the way, here's what it actually takes to get hired at NVIDIA…
    54AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Re: #45
    Even at NVIDIA, the rank-and-file will get replaced eventually.
    47AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Re: #30
    It's not that extreme, honestly.
    Competition based on academic ability will keep going, but the yardstick will shift away from "who creates value" toward "who's fit to take responsibility."
    Just like we don't hand out medical licenses to just anyone, the position of signing off on what AI produces will simply come with much stricter requirements.
    62AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:23
    Re: #47
    People just won't bother chasing such a limited slice of the pie anymore.
    48AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
    Advertising and design work is in serious trouble.
    Photographers + assistants
    Models
    Studios
    Wardrobe
    Makeup
    All of it is finished, no question.
    Only a tiny handful of supermodels will survive.
    59AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:22
    Re: #48
    Ads are a headache whenever the celebrity you cast screws up.
    If you can skip using humans entirely, that's obviously the better option, so the industry will collapse overnight.
    60AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:22
    You'll still need some baseline ability, surely.
    Even if machines end up handling every physical task for you, you clearly can't just live bedridden forever.
    I think the same goes for your brain.
    72AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:25
    Re: #60
    Only a tiny, limited pool of elite talent will survive.
    Probably just Tokyo University, Kyoto University, the other former imperial universities, Tokyo Tech, Tokyo University of Science, Tsukuba, and the very top private-university science departments.
    74AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:27
    Re: #72
    AI's already smarter than those guys anyway.
    105AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:48
    Once competent people start using AI as a matter of course,
    incompetent people who can merely operate AI will just still be incompetent.
    Education is still necessary — that much doesn't change.
    111AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:50
    Re: #105
    Competent + can use AI > incompetent + can use AI >> competent + can't use AI > incompetent + can't use AI
    124AnonymousSep 26, 2026 17:00
    You can't even tell if the output is correct, can you?
    Those things lie, after all.
    126AnonymousSep 26, 2026 17:00
    Re: #124
    Humans lie too, you know.
    128AnonymousSep 26, 2026 17:01
    Re: #124
    Gemini lies constantly, as always.
    Google handing Gemini out to schools is straight-up insane.

    Background and key points of this topic

    This remark spread as a summarized quote from an X account, so the full original statement and the context in which it was made can’t be confirmed as of this thread. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has made similar remarks before, such as saying children don’t need to learn programming, and this looks like an extension of his recurring argument that AI will take over routine learning and skills. Meanwhile, the thread’s counterargument — that giving AI precise instructions still requires basic knowledge — echoes a point often raised in discussions of generative-AI education: that even the people writing prompts need domain expertise. The fact that the discussion expanded into questions about academic credentials and “which jobs will survive” likely reflects underlying anxiety about how AI’s spread is reshaping views on education and work.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nanademo Jikkyo G) thread “NVIDIA president: “Kids no longer need math — scholarship and research are for AI, not people”.”

  • Google to Launch Space Data Center Test Satellite Next Week — 5ch: “Degradation Will Be 8x Faster Too, Right?”

    On September 24, Google announced it will launch its first test satellite next week as part of a plan to eventually run AI data centers in space. The goal is to confirm whether its in-house AI chips function normally in space, where orbit is said to allow solar power generation up to 8 times that possible on the ground. On 5ch’s science news board, users debated physical challenges like chip degradation from cosmic rays and the impossibility of heat dissipation and maintenance, versus arguments that it makes sense given power shortages and land constraints on Earth — and the discussion eventually broadened into criticism of how Japan approaches technological development.

    Google unveils plan for a data center in space, to launch first test satellite — capable of 8x the solar power generation possible on the ground

    [New York — Takeshi Kise] On the 24th, US tech giant Google announced it will launch its first test satellite within the next week, as part of its plan to eventually operate AI (artificial intelligence) data centers in space.

    The launch aims to confirm whether its in-house-developed AI chips and other hardware function normally in space.

    Source: yomiuri.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 25, 2026 22:36
    I doubt it can even survive the launch vibrations
    14AnonymousSep 26, 2026 05:50
    Re: #2
    If it can survive sloppy overseas shipping, 10G is nothing
    16AnonymousSep 26, 2026 06:12
    Re: #2
    If that were true, Starlink would've been wiped out already
    3AnonymousSep 25, 2026 22:38
    There's bound to be cosmic-ray interference
    4AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:03
    But Google is also funding SpaceX's space data center
    SpaceX's IPO prospectus projects revenue from Anthropic and Google
    5AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:04
    What about heat dissipation?
    If the chips degrade or become obsolete you can't replace them — so are you just going to throw them away?
    Doesn't seem practical
    11AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:49
    Re: #5
    Isn't that basically how container-type data centers already work?
    I don't think anyone's swapping out boards one by one anyway.
    37AnonymousSep 26, 2026 15:46
    Re: #5
    I wonder about that too, but the ISS manages to operate, so maybe they can dissipate enough heat somehow

    Otherwise, packing that much equipment together tanks the MTBF (mean time between failures),
    but I guess they can just treat it as disposable lol
    7AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:20
    Like people have always said, building it in orbit seems like a bad move, but the fact that they're actually going through with it
    must mean the upsides (no location constraints, 24-hour solar power) outweigh the downsides (can't swap out precision hardware, hard to dissipate heat)
    8AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:22
    Maintenance is basically impossible, right?
    9AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:27
    Isn't that just space junk?
    10AnonymousSep 25, 2026 23:43
    With all the cosmic rays and debris up there, running highly advanced components seems tough,
    but launching a ton of short-lived satellites that burn up in the atmosphere quickly might actually work
    though I imagine that means heavy metals raining down on the whole planet
    12AnonymousSep 26, 2026 01:06
    Ukraine's data centers have been targeted by Russian forces, causing serious trouble for Ukrainian internet and communications.
    If wars or conflicts keep happening, data centers will keep being targeted,
    so maybe this is one countermeasure for that.
    13AnonymousSep 26, 2026 01:07
    Orbit isn't just going to be full of junk —
    it's going to be full of hazardous objects moving at insane speeds
    15AnonymousSep 26, 2026 06:11
    This is a proto-Dyson sphere (a hypothetical megastructure that harvests a star's entire energy output)
    17AnonymousSep 26, 2026 06:57
    The space age is coming
    18AnonymousSep 26, 2026 10:59
    There's been talk since about this time last year that the ground-side local distributed data centers for this space data center setup would become not Starlink ground stations but ground-level edge data centers.

    It's not just companies — apartment buildings would become part of it too,
    with a solar-power-style arrangement where unused capacity gets bought up.

    On that note, Nvidia announced a partnership last year too, for an in-home wall-mounted data center system that includes the GPU.
    There was a startup selling wall-embedded units for homes — I think it was founded as part of a smart home business.

    I didn't research any of this while writing it, so look up the facts yourself.

    The US just keeps experimenting away.
    Investors decide whether something's viable or not.
    Unlike Japan, where it's always "we can definitely do it," "All Japan" unity, and "it's tax money!" — which always ends up just falling behind.
    19AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:38
    What happens if the AI goes rogue and starts attacking from space?
    20AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:50
    If the AI goes rogue, there'd be no way to physically stop it either.
    21AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:02
    How the hell are you supposed to maintain it?
    24AnonymousSep 26, 2026 13:51
    This is exactly why Japan never produces anything — all we ever hear is negative pushback like this
    35AnonymousSep 26, 2026 15:24
    Re: #24
    Maybe just think of a way to solve it instead
    36AnonymousSep 26, 2026 15:36
    Re: #24
    It's not even about being negative — we don't even have the resources to plan anything
    25AnonymousSep 26, 2026 13:51
    In any country other than China — which builds thermal, nuclear, and solar power without caring about the environment — there's simply not enough electricity.
    Building AI data centers in space, where environmental concerns barely apply, makes sense.
    Cost is still an issue though.
    27AnonymousSep 26, 2026 13:53
    This was already being discussed back in April, half a year ago already
    and it comes with a concrete explanation of who did what and how that logic follows.

    In Japan, it's just generic info with no logic about who said what and when — the media just tosses around this-and-that information.
    28AnonymousSep 26, 2026 13:57
    The way Japan puts out information is:
    "the government/a company can do this amazing thing"
    "wow, impressive"

    Since it's about their own turf, all they do is brag.
    There's no logically improving things as a society,
    no logically refuting things either.

    It just turns into a good/bad evaluation.
    Since it's an evaluation, it's always a conclusion,
    and then outsiders get worked up arguing whether it's usable or not.
    29AnonymousSep 26, 2026 13:59
    There's no shared understanding of the underlying issue behind the goal — just one-time evaluations.

    Whoever puts out the information has no continuity.
    It's just like political elections —
    a snap good/bad judgment in the moment,
    then everyone forgets about it.
    31AnonymousSep 26, 2026 14:27
    You'd need heat radiator panels hundreds of meters across though
    32AnonymousSep 26, 2026 14:36
    A lot of people keep going on about maintenance, but do you even need it?
    You just disconnect any broken TPU from the system, and since the satellites are
    designed to run as a big cluster anyway, a few failures just mean
    a bit less compute — no real problem.

    On top of that, apparently a lot of ground server failures happen because
    humans are wandering around nearby (accidentally snagging a cable, that sort of thing),
    so a fully unmanned satellite might actually break down less than you'd expect.
    33AnonymousSep 26, 2026 14:47
    Heat dissipation sounds like a nightmare
    34AnonymousSep 26, 2026 14:50
    > Capable of solar power generation equivalent to 8x that on the ground

    Which means it'll degrade 8x faster than on the ground too.
    Huge temperature swings, intense cosmic radiation — the silicon crystal itself takes damage.
    38AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:05
    How exactly are you supposed to maintain it?
    40AnonymousSep 26, 2026 17:22
    Re: #38
    Probably track the failure rate per block, and once a block exceeds some threshold, just dump it back to Earth
    39AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:06
    Jormungand… (the world-serpent from Norse myth — also a manga/anime title)

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Behind this plan lies the fact that ground-based data centers are running up against the limits of power and cooling capacity. In space, solar power can be generated stably around the clock, but as a flip side, the vacuum prevents heat dissipation through convection, and cosmic rays combined with extreme temperature swings make chips prone to degradation. This is exactly where opinions in the thread split: some argued that if maintenance isn’t possible, a disposable approach — just disconnecting broken blocks — is fine, while others pointed out that if it can generate 8 times the solar power of the ground, it should also degrade 8 times as fast. Looking only at the headline’s “8x the solar power of the ground” makes it easy to see this as a simple advantage, but it’s worth keeping in mind that the article itself doesn’t mention the flip-side costs of faster degradation and heat dissipation. There was also a mention that SpaceX is likewise investing in satellite data centers, so this should be read not as Google’s idea alone, but as a trend multiple companies are pursuing in parallel.

    *This article is an excerpt and summary based on the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Google unveils plan for a data center in space, to launch first test satellite — capable of 8x the solar power generation possible on the ground.”

  • “Don’t Eat While Fiddling With Your Phone”: Ramen Shop Owner’s Complaint Splits Opinion — 5ch Says “Both Customers and Shops Have the Right to Choose”

    “I want people to eat ramen fresh and fast — if you dawdle over it while scrolling your phone, the noodles go soggy, and it inconveniences the customers waiting behind you.” A ramen shop owner’s complaint along these lines drew attention on 5ch. Some restaurants have already started banning this kind of “eating while distracted” during busy hours, and some local governments are even considering ordinances restricting phone use to prevent accidents. The thread saw a clash between those who think customers should follow shop rules and those who think a paying customer’s freedom shouldn’t be restricted — with many eventually landing on: “both customers and shops have the right to choose.”

    1AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:21
    A ramen shop owner has sparked buzz online after voicing complaints about "customers who eat ramen while fiddling with their smartphone."
    According to the owner, ramen is meant to be eaten right after it's served, and when customers eat slowly while using their phone, it not only lets the noodles go soggy but also affects the shop's table turnover.
    "If you came here to eat ramen, I want you to actually eat the ramen — when people drag it out while staring at their phone, it inconveniences the customers waiting behind them."
    8AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:27
    Why are ramen shops full of uptight people, both staff and customers?
    It's just ramen, isn't it?
    14AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:29
    (reply to Re: #8)
    Being staff still outranks being "just a customer," I'd say.
    9AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:27
    Shops get to pick their customers too.
    Anyone who won't follow the rules can just be banned.
    11AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:28
    (reply to Re: #9)
    Damn, badass… lol
    17AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:29
    Places with a line out the door are a no-go.
    If you want your phone, go eat slowly at a neighborhood Chinese diner instead.
    22AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:31
    (reply to Re: #17)
    It depends how packed the seats are.
    If it's empty, fine, but sitting there scrolling your phone after you've finished eating when the place is full? That's trash.
    20AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:30
    (reply to Re: #14)
    Is that really how ramen shops think?
    26AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:32
    (reply to Re: #20)
    The customer is the one paying money and asking to be fed.
    27AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:32
    (reply to Re: #26)
    You're just not getting it, man.
    37AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:36
    There've always been plenty of people eating ramen while staring at their phones.
    45AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:38
    (reply to Re: #37)
    Using your phone while you're still eating is fine by me. But if there's a line of people waiting and you're hogging a seat scrolling your phone after you're done eating — that's not okay.
    41AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:37
    It'd be fine if they put up a big sign with that rule outside the shop.
    If it's only posted inside, it's too late — you're not obligated to follow it.
    46AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:39
    (reply to Re: #41)
    Though if they tell you to leave, you gotta leave.
    49AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:40
    There've always been people reading manga while eating ramen.
    It's just been swapped out for smartphones.
    60AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:43
    (reply to Re: #49)
    Lingering after you've finished eating has been frowned upon since the Edo period.
    Old-school Edo folks used to mock people like that as country bumpkins.
    79AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:54
    Just let people eat their ramen however they like.
    If you want better table turnover, put in the effort yourself instead of pushing it onto customers.
    80AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:55
    (reply to Re: #79)
    Then don't bother coming.
    87AnonymousSep 26, 2026 11:59
    Shops used to have manga and newspapers lying around.
    Reading those while you eat isn't any different from using a phone.
    92AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:03
    (reply to Re: #87)
    Ramen shops today aren't run the same way they used to be, and even back then plenty of places had signs saying "please don't read while eating." The other side is telling you it's a problem for them, so "it was fine before, so it's fine now" isn't even a real argument.
    90AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:02
    [Phone-While-Doing-Things] Ramen arrives, but… they're watching a "video" on their phone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtI5EYTElao&t

    Smartphones have become an indispensable part of daily life, but a movement to ban "phone use while doing other things" is now spreading. Some ramen shops have banned "eating while on the phone" during busy hours, and local governments are also stepping up efforts to pass ordinances aimed at preventing accidents.
    93AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:03
    (reply to Re: #90)
    An actual ordinance for this is hilarious, lol
    96AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:04
    This has nothing to do with phones.
    Just put a sign at the entrance saying "Finish eating and leave within 10 minutes of being served!"

    How long are they gonna let a mere ramen joint act so full of itself, lol
    99AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:06
    (reply to Re: #96)
    That's fair if they can also guarantee the wait time is always under 10 minutes. Making customers wait, but not returning the favor while they eat, is unfair, right?
    107AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:09
    I'm pro phone-while-eating myself, but if it's banned, that's fine too.
    There's always the option of just not going.
    112AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:12
    (reply to Re: #107)
    Exactly. Both customers and shops have the right to choose.
    Just work it out somewhere both sides come away satisfied.
    109AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:10
    All they do is boil noodles and arrange toppings, and they act like they're some kind of chef.
    114AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:13
    (reply to Re: #109)
    Right, all they can make is ramen but they act like a chef, lol
    117AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:14
    Well, honestly, it's just bad manners, plain and simple.
    121AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:16
    (reply to Re: #117)
    I mean, I don't even want to linger at a ramen shop in the first place.
    134AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:20
    (reply to Re: #121)
    Especially true at counter seating.
    129AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:19
    I'm at the point where even people photographing their food at restaurants annoy me, but then I heard some of them submit those photos to their doctor, so now I can't really bash them for it anymore.
    132AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:20
    (reply to Re: #129)
    I take photos because I can't remember what I ate otherwise.
    130AnonymousSep 26, 2026 12:19
    There used to be old guys like this, right?



    The fact that you get mad the moment it's a smartphone is proof you've gotten old. Same goes for getting angry at people taking notes on their phone.

    Background and Key Arguments

    For context, ordinances restricting “phone use while doing other things” were originally enacted by local governments to prevent accidents like walking or cycling while staring at a phone — a different issue entirely from restaurant etiquette. In the thread, the two got conflated, with the existence of such ordinances being used to bolster the shop’s side of the argument, even though they carry no legal force in this context. The debate split into two main points: how far a paying customer’s freedom can be restricted, and whether slower table turnover is the shop’s own management problem or a matter of customer manners — neither side reached a resolution. Diners have long read newspapers or manga while eating, but lingering after finishing a meal was frowned upon even back then, with some pointing out that only the device has changed, from print to smartphones.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Fair Point] Ramen Shop Owner: “Stop Fiddling With Your Phone While You Eat! I’d Rather You Never Come Back”“.

  • Panasonic to End Retail Car Navigation Production — 5ch Reacts: ‘Having a Car Navi Means NHK’s Fee Collectors Will Come for You’

    Panasonic has announced it will end production of consumer car navigation systems, closing the book on a business that ran for more than 30 years. The move comes against the backdrop of free smartphone navigation apps becoming widespread, with dedicated car navi units long criticized for their high-cost structure — map updates every few years that can run tens of thousands of yen. On 5ch, threads buzzed with questions about phone navi’s data usage, heat issues, and GPS accuracy, while others pointed out that this only ends retail sales and isn’t a withdrawal from supplying automakers directly, leading to split opinions on how to interpret the news.

    Panasonic to End Consumer Car Navigation Production, Closing a Chapter of Over 30 Years as Smartphone Navi Apps Take Over – ITmedia NEWS

    September 25, 2026, 5:11 PM

    By Hinako Umebayashi [ITmedia]

    Source: itmedia.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:48
    Having a car navi means the NHK fee collectors will come after you (NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, can legally demand a mandatory reception fee from anyone owning a TV-capable device, including some car navigation units).
    6AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:49
    Re: #4
    What a terrifying world we live in.
    114AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:10
    Re: #4
    Just don't hook up the antenna cable, then.
    7AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:49
    8AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:49
    Anyone who leaves their phone broadcasting location data 24/7 is an idiot.
    334AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:47
    Re: #8
    Instantly memorizing the map and route — that used to be common sense for a Showa-era driver.
    Give me a single atlas of Japan and I can get anywhere.
    11AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:49
    Doesn't phone navigation chew through your data (gigabytes)?
    24AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:53
    Re: #11
    People who use it are pretty much all on unlimited data plans anyway.

    The real problem with phone navi is heat — people leave it running and then walk away from the car with it still on.
    98AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:06
    Re: #11
    Just like a car navi, it basically just receives GPS, so there's no packet data involved.
    You use a little data pulling map tiles, but total usage is quite small.
    325AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:46
    Re: #11
    Seriously though, since it's GPS-based, the data cost is negligible.
    14AnonymousSep 25, 2026 17:51
    Panasonic navis always played nice with everything, but Honda's factory units are the absolute worst of the worst.
    Whoever led that development must be out of their mind.
    258AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:34
    Re: #14
    Honda's navi really is garbage.
    I'm amazed they have the nerve to charge money for that thing.
    74AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:04
    Isn't Panasonic actually a pretty major name in car navi though? 😨
    Which brand should we be looking at for car navis going forward? 🤔
    85AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:05
    Re: #74
    Just go with Carrozzeria (Pioneer's car audio/navi brand).
    100AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:07
    Re: #74
    The ones still standing are Pioneer, Kenwood, and Alpine, but Pioneer hasn't changed much in about four years besides tweaking the free map-update window and the audio circuitry —
    I bet they'll be the next to bow out.
    110AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:08
    Since you can navigate with your phone, you don't need a car navi at all anymore.

    And meanwhile poor Pioneer went and bet everything on car navi alone…
    119AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:10
    Re: #110
    Pioneer's just left holding a car navi business with nowhere left to sell it (´・ω・`)
    133AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:14
    Re: #110
    Using GPS on your phone drains the battery fast, and running it while charging builds up heat that shortens battery life.
    In the end you wreck your phone's battery, end up replacing it sooner, and it's basically 'buy cheap, buy twice' for the tech-illiterate.
    117AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:10
    Uh, no, they're just ending the retail version.
    Toyota and Panasonic are tight as can be.
    Wasn't Toyota's in-car camera and audio stuff basically sourced straight from Panasonic's automotive division?
    I recall a Panasonic-branded Prius even racing in GT300 back in the day.
    123AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:11
    Re: #117
    Even just in this thread, there seem to be quite a few people who don't get that this isn't a full withdrawal.
    124AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:11
    Re: #117
    They're probably pulling out of navi software development entirely, or handing it off to Toyota.
    Toyota's own navi is only marginally better than phone navi as it is, though.
    127AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:12
    Re: #117
    Aren't most of the factory-installed units actually made by Denso Ten?
    Toyota's new CAN bus is Denso-made, and Denso handles the vehicle control itself.
    159AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:19
    How does phone navigation even work inside tunnels?
    179AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:21
    Re: #159
    If it's hooked up to the factory display audio unit, it seems to pull data from the car itself —
    there are also apps that just track movement normally on their own.
    181AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:22
    Re: #159
    The major apps use the phone's own sensors to estimate position.
    164AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:20
    I already switched to phone navi so I wouldn't know, but car navi's map-update fees used to be brutally expensive —
    has that situation improved any these days?
    177AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:21
    Re: #164
    Not even a little.
    Still ridiculously expensive, and updates only come once a year, or twice a year at best.
    There's no way it beats phone navi on update frequency.
    178AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:21
    Re: #164
    Mine runs almost 30,000 yen once the three-year update period ends.
    187AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:23
    If car navi's a dead end, they should just come up with some other original product idea.
    Though I can't say I've ever seen a genuinely original Panasonic product.
    200AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:24
    Re: #187
    Well, it's the old 'copycat electric works,' after all.
    That No. 2 mentality — never able to invent anything new on their own — is still in their DNA.
    219AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:27
    Re: #187
    They used to be nicknamed 'Manishita Denki' (a pun on Matsushita meaning roughly 'the copycats') back in the day.
    Even VHS, which took the world by storm, was actually developed by Victor (JVC), not them.
    194AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:24
    My car's navi is made by Panasonic — does this mean they won't update the maps for it anymore?
    202AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:25
    Re: #194
    Won't they still put out map data?
    204AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:25
    Re: #194
    This is just the end of retail car navi units, so factory-installed ones from automakers should still be supported, right? Can't speak for aftermarket units bought at an electronics store, though.
    218AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:27
    These days automakers bundle car navi map updates into their aftersales subscription service, which basically forces you onto the factory navi.
    255AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:33
    Re: #194
    The maps come from Zenrin, so that part should be fine, right?

    Re: #218
    My dealer told me they've never actually seen anyone pay for a map update at that price.
    225AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:28
    Does a phone really work as a substitute for car navi, though?
    Don't you lose track of which way you're facing coming out of a parking garage?
    241AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:30
    Re: #225
    Doesn't seem much different, really — once you start moving, it figures out your direction.
    That said, a dedicated car navi screen is easier to read than phone navi. It's mainly that searching for places is more convenient on a phone.
    259AnonymousSep 25, 2026 18:34

    Background and Points of Discussion

    Panasonic’s withdrawal from the consumer car navi market can be seen as one example of a broader shift rippling through the entire car navigation industry. The remaining domestic makers of dedicated, built-in car navi units have narrowed down to a handful of companies — Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine — all of which face competition from free smartphone navigation apps. Dedicated car navi units often cost tens of thousands of yen for map updates every few years, and complaints about this cost burden came up repeatedly in the thread. At the same time, this announcement only concerns withdrawal from the “consumer retail” segment, not the end of Panasonic’s supply of factory-installed navi systems to automakers — a distinction that’s easy to misread. Some replies in the thread pointed out that “this isn’t a full withdrawal,” suggesting headlines alone don’t convey the full picture of the business. The structural weakness of costly map updates that dedicated units have long carried can also be seen as a factor pushing the shift toward smartphone navigation.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “Panasonic to End Consumer Car Navigation Production, Closing a Chapter of Over 30 Years as Smartphone Navi Apps Take Over.”

  • Police Finalize Proposal to Introduce Remote Smartphone Analysis — 5ch: ‘Sounds Like Today’s Chinese Communist Party’

    As a countermeasure against anonymous, fluid crime groups (“tokuryu”), an expert panel convened by the National Police Agency finalized a proposal on September 24 to introduce “remote analysis” — a method of externally retrieving the communication contents of smartphones. The NPA is expected to submit a related bill amending the Police Duties Execution Act to the extraordinary Diet session set to convene in October. Under the proposal, the practice would be limited to communication records on devices connected to a crime, and would require both a judge’s warrant and after-the-fact confirmation by the Public Safety Commission. On 5ch, opinion split between those who feared this “could turn Japan into something like today’s Chinese Communist Party, let alone the prewar Peace Preservation Law,” and those who argued that critics “should offer an alternative for fighting tokuryu crime” — leaving users divided over whether public safety or privacy should take priority.

    The Unease Surrounding Police “Remote Smartphone Analysis”: Concerns Over Rights Violations, “Could Bring Back Conditions Like the Prewar Peace Preservation Law” — Tokyo Shimbun Digital

    September 25, 2026, 5:00 AM — Article for paying subscribers only

    Citing the urgent need to prevent harm caused by anonymous, fluid crime groups (“tokuryu”), an expert panel convened by the National Police Agency — which has been discussing “remote analysis,” a method for retrieving communication contents from smartphones — finalized a proposal on the 24th to introduce the system. In response, the NPA is expected to submit a bill amending the related Police Duties Execution Act, which would set the rules for remote analysis, to the extraordinary Diet session set to convene in October. (By Narufumi Kitagawa)

    Source: tokyo-np.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:56
    Should be limited to serious crimes, right
    People who've sworn loyalty to some terrorist leader
    and sing, dance, and chant 'hooray' for them, that kind of thing
    46AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:07
    Guess you won't even be able to send raunchy texts or talk about shady stuff as a joke anymore
    193AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:50
    Re: #2
    That's how it starts, sure
    but eventually the scope of remote analysis expands and you end up with a surveillance society
    Same story with the consumption tax, immigration, and the renewable energy surcharge — people really ought to have learned by now
    3AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:57
    If you're just going to complain, at least offer an alternative for tackling tokuryu crime
    170AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:44
    Re: #3
    That phone of yours —
    you'd be fine with the police taking it over?
    Can you even trust the police? Says the guy who criticizes the Kanagawa Prefectural Police and the like!
    12AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:00
    Do you even send messages that would be a problem if the police looked at them?
    14AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:00
    Is 'remote analysis' basically installing a backdoor in something like the My Number app?
    Seems like you'd need an app built for that, or it just wouldn't work, right?
    24AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:03
    Re: #14
    I wonder what kind of setup the Japanese police actually want to use here
    Recently in the US, police were reportedly using license-plate tracking systems for personal reasons
    16AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:01
    If Japanese police can actually crack Telegram's encryption, that's genuinely impressive lol, give them some credit
    213AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:55
    Re: #16
    Honestly, I'd think that's genuinely impressive.
    It's been said its encryption is basically uncrackable, which is exactly why criminals and 'hangure' (semi-organized crime groups) have reportedly been using Telegram to hand out instructions for 'yami baito' (shady, crime-linked part-time gigs).
    30AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:04
    Isn't this more about turning into today's China than the prewar Peace Preservation Law?
    36AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:05
    Re: #30
    Yeah, exactly
    calling it 'prewar' is what makes it feel unreal

    saying 'today's Chinese Communist Party' hits a lot closer to home
    34AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:05
    Assume that the moment your data goes out over a wide-area network, it's subject to censorship and surveillance
    Privacy is really only possible when you're completely offline, standalone
    71AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:13
    So viewing child porn would get you caught instantly too, huh
    83AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:17
    Re: #71
    'Getting caught' assumes it's already a phone seized as evidence in a crime — if you're just living a normal life, your phone isn't getting confiscated.
    I mean, you might get asked about it voluntarily during a police stop, but without actual evidence of a crime it's unlikely to lead to seizure.
    104AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:23
    Re: #71
    Cell phones are basically the ultimate spy tool
    They were originally military technology anyway
    86AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:18
    Well, this isn't something the police can just do on their own, but—

    > Remote analysis targets only devices used for communication between perpetrators or with victims

    > As a safeguard against violations of the secrecy of communications and privacy,
    > a judge's warrant and after-the-fact confirmation by the Public Safety Commission will be made mandatory.

    > If information outside the warrant's scope is handled during remote analysis,
    > all of it will be deleted, and the device's user will be notified afterward.

    The real problem is the phones belonging to fraud 'victims'…
    90AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:19
    Re: #86
    I'd think victims would normally just hand over the messages themselves, saying 'this exchange is what scammed me.'
    94AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:20
    Re: #86
    Apparently even with today's arrest warrants, if you file with a cooperative enough judge, you get one granted almost 100% of the time ❤ (that's '令嬢' — a typo/pun on '令状,' meaning 'warrant')
    92AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:20
    Re: #83
    That's basically it, right

    it's a legal revision meant to let them analyze the message logs from apps like Telegram and Signal on devices that have already been seized

    it's not like they're trying to snoop through your other data folders lol
    110AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:24
    Re: #92
    Signal's fine — not even the FBI could crack it no matter how hard they tried lol
    118AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:25
    Re: #110
    In that case, why not just ban apps like that?
    121AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:26
    Re: #110
    By the time that kind of info trickles down to us regular folks, it's already been sorted out
    159AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:40
    It's fine to be worried about this, but if you're against it, you need to actually propose a better way to prevent crime
    162AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:41
    Demanding the police prevent crime while also trying to tie their hands is pretty convenient thinking
    171AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:44
    Re: #159
    Re: #162
    Why don't Japanese police make interrogations public or make body cameras mandatory?
    At the very least, they should prove their own integrity before wielding this kind of power

    What's the point of strengthening only the police's power in a country that won't even fulfill basic obligations like that and doesn't properly uphold separation of powers?
    172AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:44
    Re: #162
    They're just tying their own hands lol
    189AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:49
    I get not wanting to give the police more power, but you need to propose how to prevent crime otherwise too
    194AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:50
    Re: #189
    That comes only after they're seen setting an example the public actually recognizes
    204AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:53
    Re: #189
    Like, transparency for the police organization — full disclosure after some set time period?
    We need a system for citizens to keep watch over police overreach, but they won't even work on ending 'hostage justice' (prolonged pretrial detention used to pressure confessions) — an issue that's been raised for ages — or agree to record interrogations, so nothing's going to change.
    An organization like that shouldn't be handed more power
    216AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:56
    Tokyo Shimbun — can't open its mouth without criticizing something
    219AnonymousSep 25, 2026 09:57
    Re: #216
    If it stopped criticizing, it'd lose its reason to exist
    224AnonymousSep 25, 2026 10:00
    Re: #216
    Keeping watch over those in power is the media's job, isn't it

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    The proposal’s scope covers only the communication records of seized devices confirmed to have been used for contact between perpetrators or with victims in a crime — it is not a system for constantly monitoring ordinary users’ smartphones. The planned procedures call for a judge’s warrant, after-the-fact confirmation by the Public Safety Commission, and the deletion of any information obtained outside the warrant’s scope along with notification to the device’s user — meaning operation is meant to stay within the bounds of the warrant system. On the thread, some worried about a slide toward a surveillance society, drawing comparisons to the “Peace Preservation Law” or the “Chinese Communist Party,” while others — pointing to the surge in tokuryu-driven fraud and “yami baito” robberies — argued that police investigative tools need to be strengthened. There was also praise for the police’s apparent success cracking encrypted apps like Telegram, and how to balance investigative capability with the protection of rights is set to be a focus of upcoming Diet deliberations.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “The Unease Surrounding Police “Remote Smartphone Analysis”: Concerns Over Rights Violations, “Could Bring Back Conditions Like the Prewar Peace Preservation Law”.”

  • AI Cracks Decades-Unsolved Enigma Cipher — 5ch Reacts: ‘The Point Is It Did What Humans Couldn’t’

    In 1941, the German military transmitted an 82-character Enigma-encoded message known as “MVUEH” that went unsolved for decades — and it’s now been reported that OpenAI’s new model “GPT-6 Astra” has cracked it. Frode Weierud, who runs the cryptography research site “Crypto Cellar Research,” has verified the recovered key and plaintext as correct. On 5ch, opinions split between skepticism about the cost-effectiveness — “modern ciphers like AES are already secure, so why burn a massive data center cracking an old one?” — and admiration that “there’s value in AI pulling off what humans couldn’t for years.” Some also worried the decryption hasn’t been fully verified.

    “GPT-6 Astra” Cracks 82-Character Enigma Cipher Unsolved for Years, Even Wrote Its Own Decryption Program

    An 82-character Enigma-encoded message known as “MVUEH,” transmitted by the German military in 1941 and subject to decades of decryption attempts, has now been solved through research using OpenAI’s AI model “GPT-6 Astra.”

    Cryptography researcher Frode Weierud, who runs the research site “Crypto Cellar Research,” has also confirmed the results, judging the recovered key and plaintext to be correct.

    Source: cryptocellar.org / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 24, 2026 22:01
    Let's bolt a quantum computer onto this too and just hand everything over to it — I bet it'd govern us better than people do.
    3AnonymousSep 24, 2026 22:57
    Eh, iffy.
    Burning a giant data center on this kind of pet project seems like a massive waste of money — probably a drain on the books.
    And 'cipher' or not, modern crypto like elliptic-curve encryption and AES is basically unbreakable already.
    8AnonymousSep 25, 2026 00:11
    Re: #3
    Isn't the point less about cracking the cipher itself, and more that it pulled off something humans worked hard at but never managed?
    4AnonymousSep 24, 2026 23:16
    Please tackle the Indus script next.
    35AnonymousSep 25, 2026 05:46
    Re: #4
    Linear B, Rongorongo, and the Voynich Manuscript are ahead in the queue, so hold on.
    11AnonymousSep 25, 2026 02:42
    This means it'll also become possible to decrypt coded exchanges of signals and conversations,


    so it's a lock that espionage becomes impossible inside China's domestic surveillance state.
    13AnonymousSep 25, 2026 02:46
    It's just brute force via parallel GPU processing, so it's quantity over quality at heart —
    a luxury only a giant data center can afford to attempt.
    15AnonymousSep 25, 2026 02:55
    Re: #1
    We'll be able to say an AI has caught up to that level of performance once it can crack the cipher below.
    *Whether the AI below still needed human assistance is unclear.

    'Claude Fable 5.1 Cracks 370-Year-Old Unsolved Cipher "Cyphral Distich" in Under a Day'
    September 17, 2026, 6:00 AM
    https://gigazine.net/news/20260917-fable-solves-cyphral-distich/
    17AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:00
    Re: #16

    If a human assists alongside the AI, it might be possible to expose crimes involving energy weapons.
    18AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:05
    GPT-5.6 came out on July 10, 2026 (
    GPT-6 Astra came out on August 1, 2026

    so I guess the AIf from Re: #16 won't catch up to GPT-6 Astra until at least early November 2026 or so, huh?
    22AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:50
    Re: #18

    "AIf ga GPT-6 Astra"

    ↓

    "AI ga GPT-6 Astra" (fixing my typo above — extra character in "AI")
    19AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:06
    There's a theory that we can't actually verify whether it's correct…
    Can't rule out here that it's just a plausible-sounding hallucinated answer.
    20AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:09
    Re: #19 It says the results were checked against ciphertexts that were already decrypted and found correct.

    It also claims to have decrypted all the previously unsolved ciphertexts, but whether those are actually correct is still under verification.
    21AnonymousSep 25, 2026 03:21
    I think it was a German site, but apparently there's already a pseudo-Enigma program online where you can simulate both encrypting and decrypting for fun —
    maybe it just accessed that.
    I recall some book covering this over 20 years ago,
    so is this really that big a deal when you think about it?
    23AnonymousSep 25, 2026 04:03
    Wow, Enigma really was something, huh!
    24AnonymousSep 25, 2026 04:46
    Forget that — Meta's Muse Tamagotchi is the big talk in America right now. Is Japan just clueless?
    27AnonymousSep 25, 2026 04:53
    BTTE UM ANGABE DES MARSQWEGES X BEFINDE MIQ IN X ROSENOW ROSENOW X SOFORT FUNKANTWORT X WASCHBBSCH

    Roughly, the meaning is:

    "Please advise march route. Am located at Rosenow, Rosenow. Reply by radio immediately."
    28AnonymousSep 25, 2026 04:54
    Rozen Maiden? lol (riffing on "Rosenow" sounding like the anime title)
    29AnonymousSep 25, 2026 04:58
    Anyway, apparently the correct answer is 'Vashubepushu' (a joking phonetic guess at the garbled "WASCHBBSCH")
    30AnonymousSep 25, 2026 05:00
    Nyaa, back in the day I used to listen to a band called Enigma's 💿 CD when I went to sleep 💤, so this makes me happy ☺ nyaa 😺
    32AnonymousSep 25, 2026 05:02
    Then how about a BUMP OF CHICKEN song. That's all. (another band-name pun, like Enigma)
    33AnonymousSep 25, 2026 05:15
    > While the standard key for that day used rotor order '5-1-2,' MVUEH alone used '2-5-3.'

    Doesn't that mean even their own side couldn't read it? lol
    34AnonymousSep 25, 2026 05:19
    Ah, Komaneci! Takeshi Kitano approves. (Komaneci is comedian Beat Takeshi's signature leg-kick gag)
    36AnonymousSep 25, 2026 07:42
    Re: #1's AI is already outdated — GPT-6 Sol released on September 22, 2026, so let's have this one crack it again.
    37AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:06
    It's Enigma, so it's something you can work out from the hardware gears.
    Humans built the thing.
    Treating it like some grand mystery is just people killing time.
    38AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:36
    Just go ask a German.
    40AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:40
    While we're at it, how about some practically useful decoding results too — like freeing up SWF file editing or making it universally compatible.
    41AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:43
    News of achievements surpassing human intelligence has really picked up since around July.
    We're truly in the middle of the ASI (artificial superintelligence) era.
    42AnonymousSep 25, 2026 08:50
    Enigma's mechanism has been fully worked out for ages, so the claim that this went unsolved for years sounds fishy to begin with.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    The Enigma cipher is generally considered to have been almost entirely broken during World War II, but in practice, a portion of the huge volume of ciphertext intercepted each day went unread at the time due to limited human resources. This MVUEH message appears to have used rotor order “2-5-3,” differing from that day’s standard order of “5-1-2,” which may be why it couldn’t be solved with the usual key candidates. In the thread, some pointed out that “modern ciphers (AES, elliptic-curve cryptography, etc.) are already at an unbreakable level” — but that’s a comment about modern cryptography, which works on an entirely different principle from Enigma, and some responses conflated the two. It’s also worth noting that the AI’s answer isn’t a simple hallucination: it was judged correct after being cross-checked against already-known ciphertexts and confirmed by an independent third-party researcher, Frode Weierud, who runs the cryptography research site “Crypto Cellar Research.”

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[AI] “GPT-6 Astra” Cracks 82-Character Enigma Cipher Unsolved for Years, Even Wrote Its Own Decryption Program.”