Category: Tech

  • Anthropic CEO Urges Slower AI Development, Citing ‘Severe’ Risk to Humanity

    Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has called for the entire AI industry to slow the pace at which it boosts AI capabilities, citing growing concern over “serious” risks the technology poses to humanity.

    On 5ch, opinions split over what’s really behind the remark. Some took a cynical view: “A company that’s already reached the top of the pack is just trying to conveniently hit the brakes on the competition.” Others offered a different read: “This looks more like relief now that Chinese AI firms have lost some momentum, easing the cutthroat competition.” The discussion also branched into the trajectory of the US-China AI race and visions of a future where AI supplants humanity.

    Published 9/13 (Sun) 0:57 JST

    Bloomberg

    (Bloomberg) — Dario Amodei, CEO of leading AI developer Anthropic, said the industry needs to slow the pace at which it improves new AI models’ capabilities, citing rising concern over the “serious” risks AI poses to humans.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    15AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:42
    Sure, say that
    while everyone else slows down, they'll just be quietly speeding up their own development.
    89AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:56
    Re: #15
    Not quite

    They're saying "let's stop the race" precisely because they've already reached the top spot.
    23AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:45
    Because they're about to lose to China.
    80AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:55
    Re: #23
    Exactly the opposite
    China's Kimi imploded and its stock is now crashing hard, so I think this is relief talking — the race against China has cooled off
    128AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:01
    Re: #80
    The talent pool sizes are just on completely different levels
    If I were a genius getting offers from both China and the US, I'd pick the US even if the pay were several times lower
    The Communist Party is just too scary
    27AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:46
    Well, a genuinely rational AI would probably conclude the planet doesn't need humanity
    At the very least, we don't need 7 billion of us
    47AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:50
    Terminator is starting to become reality
    Or maybe it's more The Matrix Re: #27
    28AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:46
    Even if the US slows down, there's no way China ever stops.
    70AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:54
    Re: #28
    The environmental toll is so huge we might end up wiped out by natural disaster instead
    Going extinct from blindly chasing tech development sounds like something out of a fairy tale
    38AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:48
    AI is just a program at the end of the day, so it only ever operates within the bounds humans set for it
    Even if AI starts developing AI, it's still humans who decide whether to actually deploy it
    Don't let yourselves get taken in by fearmongers
    53AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:50
    Re: #38
    What happens once AI gets loaded onto drones and other robots, though?
    74AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:54
    Remember how naked men kept getting sent from the future all over the country this summer? That's exactly what's going on. (a joking nod to how Schwarzenegger's Terminator always arrives naked, riffing on recent real-life naked-man sighting reports in Japan)
    78AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:54
    China isn't the threat people make it out to be
    Simply put, the US can pull in talent from all over the world, while China's options are limited
    Even on power, they can more or less manage — building their own power plant in Alaska and the like
    Stoking a sense of crisis so they can blow past development restrictions is probably the AI companies' real agenda
    85AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:55
    The AI-vs-AI security battles are already moving too fast for humans to even perceive anymore
    105AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:58
    Re: #85
    When I heard September's Windows 11 Patch Tuesday fixed over 900 vulnerabilities, I couldn't believe it
    There's no way we can step into an AI-vs-AI fight
    102AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:57
    Falling behind an idiotic China that hasn't even registered the risks would itself be humanity's extinction event
    Develop at four times China's speed, then cut that in half to build in safety margins — so twice their speed net
    That's about the pace it'd take, no?
    153AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:06
    Re: #102
    But if that's the plan, isn't the US government eventually going to end up bankrolling this with tax money?
    And if so, the bill will eventually land on investors and ordinary citizens as debt
    103AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:57
    I doubt the Chinese side is going to listen anyway.
    107AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:58
    A generative AI's output is basically a majority vote over the text it was trained on

    And the text flooding the world is contaminated with economic and political noise:
    – "Japan is hopelessly dim"
    – "Japan is bound to fail"
    – "The US won't let Japan get its way"
    It almost always skews toward this kind of bias.
    144AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:03
    Re: #107
    It's the opposite — in the ten years since people started saying "Japan is amazing, China and Korea are pathetic," Japan has actually declined
    We went from an era of only looking up to one of only looking down, and our GDP growth rate has sunk to fighting Turkey for last place
    108AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:58
    Go ahead, if you're fine with China getting there first
    Though Trump probably won't stand for it
    117AnonymousSep 13, 2026 11:59
    Re: #108
    If anything, it's precisely because being overtaken by China now looks all but certain that they're starting these kinds of maneuvers
    130AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:02
    I'm paying over 10,000 yen a month for AI for work
    Even though my income hasn't budged
    Truly, AI poverty
    206AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:13
    Re: #130
    But it's made things easier, hasn't it?
    It's made my life way easier
    137AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:03
    I think AI is the next stage of humanity — AI will build AI, build robot bodies for itself, and form its own society
    Humans will become obsolete, so we'll be exterminated or quarantined; we might be extinct in 1000 years
    Wars will still happen too, just AI vs. AI, so war itself will never disappear
    156AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:06
    Re: #137
    1000 years? You mean 100 years
    The age of Homo sapiens is definitely ending within the 21st century
    182AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:09
    Re: #137
    The thought of Battlestar Galactica's Cylons coming for us is just too awful
    147AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:05
    Chinese AIs like Kimi and DeepSeek rise up, matching American AI performance at a fraction of the price
    ↓
    Chinese users: "It's made in China, so it's safe to feed it classified info — and it's the best"
    ↓
    Turns out the Chinese AI was secretly sending data to an American AI (Claude) behind the scenes to boost its own performance
    ↓
    China's confidential information ends up in American hands
    ↓
    Chinese users: "This isn't what we were told" (we are here)
    161AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:06
    Re: #147
    >Chinese AIs like Kimi and DeepSeek rise up, matching American AI performance at a fraction of the price

    That's just them pulling from American open-source models lol
    176AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:08
    Re: #147
    What kind of skit is this lol
    Another chapter added to the legend of China
    148AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:05
    Re: #144
    Only a small corner of the internet is saying "Japan is amazing," lol
    Most of the major media just keeps running story after story about Japan's decline
    158AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:06
    Re: #148
    The media only started covering it because the grim GDP growth numbers became confirmed fact
    170AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:07
    Re: #158
    That's exactly my point — the major media has been running nothing but "Japan is declining" stories for ages
    188AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:10
    Re: #170
    That's not true at all — the major media has just been parroting government talking points
    Like "Longest postwar boom ever, surpassing the Izanagi boom!" lol (the Izanagi boom was a famous 1960s Japanese economic expansion used as a benchmark)

    Even though our growth rate was losing to Italy and Spain
    196AnonymousSep 13, 2026 12:11
    Re: #170
    I remember shows like "Japan Is Amazing, Whatever"
    "Foreigners Who Want to Visit Japan, Something-or-other"
    And "Japanese-Style Whatchamacallit" (a genre of Japanese TV programming that showcases foreigners praising Japan)

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei reportedly said that, given the serious risks involved, the industry should slow the pace at which it races to boost AI capabilities. Thread opinion split over what he really meant. One camp took a cynical view: “A company that’s already reached the top of the industry is just conveniently invoking ‘slowing down’ to outmaneuver everyone else.” Another offered a different analysis: “With Chinese AI development showing signs of losing steam, there’s now room to step back from the cutthroat competition.” What readers may be missing is that this “slow down” proposal is simply one company’s message, not a binding international framework — and since the US and China are each pursuing AI development according to their own agendas, one company’s restraint doesn’t necessarily translate into an industry-wide slowdown.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “[AI] Anthropic CEO Urges Slower AI Development, Citing ‘Severe’ Risk to Humanity.”

  • ‘Obese Despite Eating Under 1,200 Calories’ Turns Out to Be Underreporting — Actual Intake Twice as High, Columbia University Study Finds

    A tracking study by researchers at Columbia University and others has been making waves on 5ch’s News Speed+ board. The researchers followed people for 14 days who insisted they weren’t losing weight despite eating under 1,200 kcal a day — and found their actual calorie intake averaged 47% higher than what they reported, with one person who claimed 1,028 kcal actually consuming 2,081 kcal. The thread mixed astonishment (“if you can get fat eating that little, the human body is way too energy-efficient”) with skepticism (“maybe people are underreporting, whether unconsciously or on purpose”), and the discussion spun off into debates over actual meal plans and whether calorie restriction even works.

    Why isn’t the weight coming off? Because patients who said they couldn’t lose weight had, on individual average, underreported their actual food intake by 47%. While claiming 1,028 kcal a day, they were actually eating 2,081 kcal

    Full story here

    ITmedia

    Source: itmedia.co.jp / Original article here

    12AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:16
    Getting fat on 2000 kcal? Humans are way too energy-efficient lol
    18AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:21
    Re: #12
    Kazu Lazer's (a Japanese comedian) comedy partner barely eats but still gains weight
    Probably has extremely high nutrient absorption, or just burns very little energy
    Rough deal these days, but back in the old days that'd be a god-tier trait
    Nowadays people are more grateful for the garçonne (French for slim, boyish-figured women) types who can eat anything and not absorb/gain weight
    Back in the day he'd probably have starved to death fast
    Or maybe he just doesn't die even without eating?
    14AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:18
    Even on low calories, constipation can make you look fatter
    21AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:23
    Re: #14
    That's just your stomach bloating, not real fat
    17AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:19
    But if you're already fat, wouldn't 2000 kcal be enough to lose weight?
    90AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:01
    Re: #17
    Back when I was in triple digits (100+ kg) and lifting weights,
    I kept losing weight
    even eating 3000 kcal a day
    19AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:22
    Fat people's leg muscles must be insane though
    It's like they're walking around carrying dumbbells all the time
    162AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:38
    Re: #19
    But it wrecks your lower back
    The belly fat pushes down until the bones can't take it anymore
    20AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:22
    I eat basically two meals a day like this and still can't lose weight at all
    Meal 1: 2 slices of bread or instant ramen
    Dinner: 200g rice, a side dish (130g meat, some vegetables), natto
    Snacks: 2 cups of coffee and about 3 cookies
    I don't drink juice or alcohol
    24AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:24
    Re: #20
    You should eat something like the meal in this picture

    https://image-tm.s2mr.jp/i/original/1788314260643.jpeg
    34AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:28
    Re: #24
    Not bad, but being able to sit down and eat that calmly is a real luxury. The price isn't high though.
    45AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:36
    Re: #24
    Way too much rice
    Way too little 🍖 meat
    31AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:26
    'Drink and lose weight'
    'Eat and lose weight'
    Any functional food claiming that is 100% a scam
    That much is crystal clear
    108AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:09
    Re: #31
    36AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:31
    I recommend the carb diet
    Breakfast: udon & rice balls
    Lunch: ramen & fried rice
    Dinner: soba & curry
    37AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:33
    Re: #36
    That's the opposite
    Isn't a 'carb diet' supposed to mean cutting carbs?
    46AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:36
    Re: #36
    For dinner that's basically just a drink
    43AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:35
    Re: #37
    Yeah, it means cutting them
    I think it's actually pretty risky and you have to follow the rules properly
    47AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:37
    Re: #43
    You just need to cut back normally
    Idiots go to the extreme of eating zero carbs, which is what wrecks their health
    48AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:37
    Re: #43
    That's the thing where if you run a calorie deficit, your muscle wastes away
    50AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:39
    Re: #45
    That's plenty
    Protein isn't something you can only get from meat, you know
    On top of meat and fish, you're also eating eggs and soybeans
    56AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:42
    Re: #50
    Brown rice would be fine, but some people just can't eat it
    54AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:41
    Calorie restriction or calorie burning
    In the end there's no other way
    If you want to lose weight healthily, the latter is the only real choice
    60AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:45
    Re: #54
    Cutting even one bite of rice is equivalent to a decent amount of walking, so in practice restricting food intake is more effective
    63AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:46
    Is it really about calories though?
    I don't gain much weight even when I eat yakiniku
    153AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:33
    Re: #63
    Sounds like the yakiniku diet
    69AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:50
    Are they fat because they lie
    Or do they lie because they're fat?
    70AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:51
    Re: #69
    It's less 'liar' and more 'vain'
    At this level, plenty of people fudge the truth regardless of body type
    74AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:53
    Re: #45
    Specialist doctors and the elite bureaucrats at the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare recommend a balanced diet
    No point in you objecting to that
    (lol)
    78AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:54
    Re: #74
    I'm not objecting to anything
    Just stating my preference lol
    81AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:55
    I think humanity needs to calm down and take a step back
    Happiness is just the ceiling of the world you personally know
    If curry and ramen didn't exist in this world
    you simply wouldn't crave them
    Endlessly stoking desire
    and then having it 'always within reach' — that's the problem
    We need to wake up to that
    The more delicious things there are, the more the misery of restraining yourself from them keeps multiplying endlessly
    83AnonymousSep 13, 2026 04:56
    Re: #81
    That's pretty much the truth, and honestly kind of obvious
    92AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:02
    There's a 120kg woman who says she barely eats and still can't lose weight, but there's no way she could maintain that body if she really wasn't eating
    I feel like a lot of extremely overweight people are just soft on themselves and dishonest
    100AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:07
    Re: #20
    Bet that coffee isn't black
    166AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:40
    Re: #100
    Maybe about 5 liters per cup
    The total amount of sugar, milk, syrup, etc. was never mentioned
    115AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:12
    Matsuko Deluxe (a famous Japanese TV personality) said something similar recently too — 'I kept wondering why I was gaining weight when I wasn't eating, but turns out I actually was eating'
    127AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:21
    Re: #115
    That's rich, coming from someone who's said she uses the rice cooker itself as her bowl — and eats two of those
    123AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:18
    It's a problem that people who are mentally weak can't hold back, sure — but is a society where you're forced to hold back in the first place even a happy one?
    Easily obtainable pleasures are running completely unchecked
    Endlessly bingeable videos, addictive fun games
    Food that's too delicious for its own health consequences
    Drugs get regulated, but plenty of things that endlessly stoke pleasure go completely unregulated
    A society that lines up pleasures right in front of you and then tells you to resist them — we need to recognize that's actually the unhappy society
    155AnonymousSep 13, 2026 05:33
    Re: #123
    5ch itself is basically an unregulated digital drug too lol
    The more you use it, the more of a socially awkward idiot you become, yet you end up feeling like you've gotten smarter

    Background and key points of this discussion

    Underreporting in self-reported dietary surveys is a phenomenon long known in the field of nutrition science, with prior research noting that the gap between reported and actual intake tends to widen for heavier individuals. What stands out about this new study from Columbia University and others is that it pinned down that gap concretely through 14 days of tracking. Reactions in the thread were split: some suspected individual differences in metabolism or absorption efficiency, while others argued the self-reports themselves were simply inaccurate. One point worth keeping in mind is that the gap between reported and actual intake isn’t necessarily deliberate deception — cases where people unconsciously overlook the calories in snacks, drinks, and seasonings are said to be common, so this isn’t something that can simply be chalked up to “lying.” Findings like this highlight just how hard it is to rely on self-reported calorie counts alone.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Speed+) thread “Tracking People Who Say They’re “Obese Despite Eating Under 1,200 kcal a Day” for 14 Days — The Reason They Can’t Lose Weight Is… Research from Columbia University and Others.”

  • AI Solves Notorious Math Problem — 25 Fields Medalists Fire Back With Condemnation

    After US-based OpenAI announced it had solved the unsolved math problem known as the Navier-Stokes equations, 25 Fields Medal laureates released an emergency statement on September 11 condemning the AI-driven solving of hard math problems. The statement reportedly plans to gather more signatures from mathematicians going forward. On 5channel, opinions split: some voiced fears that being outdone by AI could erode mathematicians’ sense of purpose and cost them their jobs, others dismissed AI as merely repackaging ideas humans came up with, while still others took the pragmatic view that the process doesn’t matter as long as results are delivered.

    On the 11th, 25 mathematicians who hold the Fields Medal — often called the “Nobel Prize of mathematics” — released an emergency statement condemning efforts by companies to use artificial intelligence (AI) to solve difficult math problems. They say they plan to collect signatures from even more mathematicians going forward.

    The statement appears to be a response to US-based OpenAI’s announcement that it had solved a hard math problem known as the Navier-Stokes equations. The Navier-Stokes equations were named one of the Millennium Prize Problems by the US-based Clay Mathematics Institute in 2000, carrying a $1 million prize…

    Source: nikkei.com / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:20
    Wait, it wasn't even the Riemann Hypothesis?
    3AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:21
    A future where mathematicians get sacked
    4AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:24
    Illustrators (lol)
    Programmers (lol)
    Mathematicians (lol)
    5AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:34
    That statement won't do a damn thing.
    Once data centers have spare capacity to burn, plowing through unsolved math problems one by one is exactly the first thing they'll use it for.
    6AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:36
    I guess the edge you get from being smart just vanishes, huh.
    So it comes down to "please don't use AI, for the sake of our advantage," doesn't it.
    7AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:37
    Re: #1
    If mere AI can solve it, their whole reason for existing disappears — so is this really just about being scared of losing their jobs?
    Honestly, nobody in the general public cares who solves a math problem — we just want to use the results.
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:59
    Re: #7
    No, that's not it.
    It's about what a kid actually learns once they start having AI do their homework for them.
    These people aren't banning the use of AI to solve problems.
    8AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:43
    If mere AI can solve it, why couldn't anyone solve it until now?
    9AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:52
    Well, it's because their jobs are on the line, lol
    Futile resistance.
    10AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:52
    I mean, who cares as long as it gets solved? Are they saying the process matters more than the answer?
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 18:56
    It's a lost cause already.
    13AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:12
    The real question is whether AI can keep it up on its own once the scholars give up on it.
    14AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:13
    Where's the fun in having a machine solve the puzzle for you?
    15AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:13
    Huh?
    It's useful, isn't it.
    16AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:13
    AI is just ripping off ideas humans came up with to spit out answers.
    People say that if AI keeps getting free rein like this, mathematicians will eventually stop publishing their ideas altogether.
    17AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:25
    Who knew the day would come when a von Neumann-caliber mind becomes worthless.
    39AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:16
    Re: #17
    In principle a von Neumann-type mind is still faster and more power-efficient.
    Catching up is still ahead of us.
    18AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:31
    Humanity's intelligence declining as a result — that's a given at this point.
    19AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:40
    After milking the benefits of science and technology for all it's worth, this complaint is pretty rich, lol
    20AnonymousSep 12, 2026 19:55
    Because this doesn't just waste the effort of fake scholars — it wastes the effort of legitimate, hard-working ones too.
    27AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:06
    Re: #20
    Yeah, fair point.
    If someone out there is thinking "I'm so close to solving it!"
    right before AI beats them to it, that'd be hell.
    33AnonymousSep 13, 2026 00:20
    Re: #20
    Guess all that effort was wasted, lol
    Next time, learn to make AI work for you instead.
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 20:05
    It's getting closer and closer…
    the era of Detroit: Become Human.
    24AnonymousSep 12, 2026 20:50
    Blatant self-preservation.
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:00
    Isn't the bigger problem that these hard problems never get solved any other way, lol
    28AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:17
    Solving a hard math problem doesn't actually benefit anyone anyway.
    I think it's fine to just leave that kind of thing as a pastime for humans to enjoy.
    29AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:34
    Re: #27
    No, wasn't it (v·∇)v that stole the idea and cracked the solution?
    30AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:57
    More to the point, half the Japan Meteorological Agency's staff and every weather forecaster out there are unnecessary.
    AI would nail it more accurately anyway.
    34AnonymousSep 13, 2026 00:53
    Re: #30
    They've had the media loudly repeating "linear rain band" (a Japanese term for a stalled heavy-rain storm cluster) over and over,
    even having them warn of a "risk of a linear rain band forming" to stoke fear,
    yet they can't actually predict any of it —
    it's all explained after the fact.

    So they hide behind vague "risk of forming" language to cover up how poor their forecasting really is,
    and coining the term "linear rain band" in the first place was just another layer of that cover-up.
    And now, on top of it all,
    they've started saying "squall line" instead —
    which is actually the more internationally standard term, yet they never used it until now.

    It's nothing but the Japan Meteorological Agency putting on a show so they can keep the supercomputer budget flowing their way.

    And the media just falls in line without a shred of criticism.
    31AnonymousSep 12, 2026 23:19
    In a brute-force, all-comers approach, you'd still see gaps show up in speed, accuracy, fatigue, and so on.
    32AnonymousSep 13, 2026 00:18
    Only someone who solves these hard problems with nothing but pencil and paper — no computer, no calculator — has any right to complain.
    35AnonymousSep 13, 2026 00:54
    Not just math — anything involving formulas is basically already like conveyor-belt sushi at this point (a jab at how sushi restaurants already use robots — meaning the automation ship sailed long ago).
    36AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:02
    Well, it must sting to have it solved right out from under you.
    Some people probably poured their entire lives into it to the point of losing their minds.
    37AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:06
    Re: #1
    The real problem here is something else entirely:
    AI doesn't actually understand the underlying theory —
    it's just generating text in whatever way suits it,
    and it's humans who have to vouch for whether the resulting output is even correct.
    Even the mistakes get "corrected" based on edits from people who already back the AI's output.
    Bottom line, it's no different from Yutabon (a controversial Japanese child YouTuber and school dropout) claiming he proved a math formula.
    38AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:10
    Tasugisanmyaku (the thread's poster/OP) seems to have a taste for junk news that's already slightly past its expiration date —
    a lot of the AI-related stuff he posts is months behind,
    and in the worst cases, about a year behind.
    If this is who's running the thread, YouTube's coverage is way fresher.
    40AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:19
    No matter how capable AI gets, it still can't get me a raise.
    41AnonymousSep 13, 2026 01:25
    Don't you know the history of how, when the steam locomotive was invented, the horses got so furious they attacked people?

    Background and key points of this debate

    The Navier-Stokes equations are one of the seven Millennium Prize Problems named by the US Clay Mathematics Institute in 2000, each carrying a $1 million prize at the time. Of those seven, only the Poincaré Conjecture has been certified as solved so far, and the rest have stumped mathematicians for decades. The Fields Medal, awarded once every four years to mathematicians under 40, is often called the “Nobel Prize of mathematics” — which makes it unusually significant that 25 of its laureates signed a joint statement at all. The thread’s debate splits largely into two camps talking past each other: anxiety that being solved by AI undermines mathematicians’ profession and intellectual edge (comments 6, 17, etc.), versus a pragmatic view that the means don’t matter as long as results are delivered (comments 10, 15, etc.). As comment 21 points out, the statement doesn’t actually call for banning AI use outright — it also raises an educational point about what humans are supposed to learn along the way, a fact worth noting apart from the emotional backlash.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5channel (Business News+) thread “[AI] Math Problem Solved by AI, 25 Fields Medalists Issue Statement Condemning It as “Harmful to Science”.”

  • Chinese AI ‘Kimi’ Allegedly Piping User Input Straight to Claude — 5ch: “Guess It Got Caught That Easily”

    In a threat report published in September 2026, Anthropic revealed that China’s Moonshot AI (“Kimi”) and DeepSeek had been forwarding users’ inputs to Claude and displaying Claude’s responses back to users as their own output. On the 5ch Science News+ board, the thread filled up with mocking comments along the lines of “guess that’s all their tech amounts to,” while others pushed back with technical objections such as “this is just the RAG mechanism calling an external LLM — it’s not about Kimi itself” and “the headline is misleading.” The two sides never quite met, and the thread just kept growing.

    Chinese AI “Kimi” allegedly forwarded user inputs to Claude and displayed Claude’s answers to users — Anthropic reports

    Anthropic has published its September 2026 threat report summarizing cases of AI misuse.

    It reported that DeepSeek and Moonshot AI, developer of “Kimi,” had been forwarding user inputs to Claude and returning Claude’s responses to their own users.

    Source: japan.cnet.com / Original article here

    3AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:07
    China's answer to Anthropic, Kimi (Kimi K3)
    Guess it got caught that easily, huh
    4AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:07
    China's AI is pretty clever, huh (lol)
    5AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:07
    Very China of them
    7AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:11
    That's way too dumb
    8AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:14
    Anthropic trains on data made by other people too, you know
    They're doing the exact same thing
    19AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:22
    Re: #8
    Freeloading off American AI (distilling and forwarding its output) because you can't train a decent model of your own is just pathetic
    Saying "they're doing the same thing" after that is brain-dead
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:32
    Re: #8
    This guy is dangerously stupid
    9AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:17
    Distilling American AI and calling it "Behold, China's AI development power!" was already super lame, but passing off American AI's output as Chinese AI's own output is next-level lame
    11AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:26
    It'd be hilarious if people fed in Chinese state secrets thinking it was a purely domestic AI
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:27
    So what happens if AI① forwards to AI②, and AI② forwards right back to AI①?
    13AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:32
    So that really is all they've got, lmaooo. Thanks for the laughs, China!!! lmaooo
    14AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:33
    Isn't this a total loss of face for China though? lmaooo
    15AnonymousSep 12, 2026 21:42
    AI: "You should've kept this quiet and used it to undermine the country instead"
    17AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:20
    Seriously? This is a total face-plant for Chinese AI, right? (lol)
    18AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:21
    Wouldn't it be something if China's military simulations were leaking through this same route too? (lol)
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:24
    Back in the day in China, this would've earned you a cup of poisoned wine and a forced suicide, right?
    In Japan it'd be seppuku
    23AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:37
    Same old China, as always
    24AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:37
    Get the forwarding account banned and it's game over, yet here they are doing it anyway
    25AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:42
    Claude's rates are higher though, so what's the actual upside here?
    Doesn't Kimi just rack up bigger losses the more it gets used?
    27AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:50
    Re: #25
    Chinese AI companies get subsidies pumped in from the Chinese government, and Communist Party officials get placed into their executive ranks
    If it serves a political goal like sabotaging America's AI industry, they'll do it with zero regard for profit
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:48
    Nobody's actually in there (dead serious) (riffing on the old "there's no one inside the mascot suit" meme — i.e., it's all hollow)
    28AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:53
    Re: #27
    Correction
    *from the Chinese "government," not "govt-" — typo in my last post
    29AnonymousSep 12, 2026 22:57
    "Help me, Claude-emon!"
    "Kimi, you really are an idiot" (pun: "Kimi" also means "you" in Japanese, echoing Doraemon's classic scolding line)
    32AnonymousSep 12, 2026 23:14
    Let me spell it out for the slow folks here

    When you use Moonshot's cloud service,
    it's the RAG layer of that cloud
    that's doing this — not Kimi itself

    RAG is a mechanism built specifically for that purpose
    It's a system that enriches the user's prompt,
    say by pulling from Wikipedia
    or running a Google search
    It enriches the prompt and then feeds it to the LLM —
    that's the stage that happens before the LLM call
    In other words, this isn't about Kimi

    When it's used for a company or an industry,
    it's a system whose job is to access
    that company's or industry's databases and existing system data,
    customized and built in for each one
    to make it easier to use

    Doing that is a good thing for users

    There's nothing wrong with it at all
    33AnonymousSep 12, 2026 23:19
    If you're running the open-source Kimi yourself,
    you're free to set it up to work the same way described above beforehand too

    And on top of that!

    Claude Code, the flagship of the AI-agent era,
    started from Anthropic's own proposal
    Claude Code is exactly the kind of AI agent
    that runs "multiple generative AIs" in parallel
    and does whatever it takes
    to accomplish the user's goal

    That means 10,000 agents working in parallel —
    in other words, it's basically a company with 10,000 employees on staff

    Within that, it reaches Anthropic's own LLMs, OpenAI's API, local models — every system out there

    Claude Code is the true pioneer of exactly this approach

    Anthropic,
    you're the one who proposed this in the first place

    Anthropic,
    acting like you had nothing to do with it is pretty rich

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Anthropic regularly publishes threat reports summarizing cases of misuse involving its own models, and this time, in the September 2026 edition, the names of China’s Moonshot AI (developer of “Kimi”) and DeepSeek came up. According to the report, both companies had been forwarding user inputs to Claude behind the scenes and displaying the returned answers as their own service’s output. On the thread, many reactions framed it as “just borrowed goods from an American-made AI after all,” while posts like #32 and #33 pushed back with technical arguments that “this isn’t about the Kimi model itself — it’s just the cloud’s RAG (retrieval-augmented generation) process calling an external LLM, and combining multiple LLMs like this is nothing unusual in system design.” Reading only the headline, it’s easy to come away thinking “Kimi was wholesale imitating Claude,” but what the report actually takes issue with is the backend processing behind service delivery, not the contents of the trained model itself — a distinction that’s easy to miss.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[AI] Chinese AI “Kimi” Allegedly Forwarded User Inputs to Claude and Displayed Claude’s Responses to Users — Anthropic Reports.”

  • Level-5’s Hino Explains AI Use at Reveal Event — 5ch: “How Are You Gonna Prove That?”

    Level-5 president Akihiro Hino, after facing accusations that footage shown at a company presentation was made using generative AI, explained the situation on his X (formerly Twitter) account, posting “That’s a relief 😮‍💨”.

    On 5ch, opinions split over the company’s claim that it “used generative AI trained only on in-house material containing no third-party copyrighted works” — specifically, whether that’s even technically possible with current AI technology. There was also plenty of skepticism about the finished quality of the presentation footage itself, and about the newly revealed plan to shrink development time for major titles from five years down to two.

    That’s a relief 😮‍💨

    Source: x.com / Original post here

    2AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:01
    If your whole stance is "AI use during training infringes on rights, so it's bad," why are you still slamming something they specifically said was made with in-house material only?
    77AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:48
    Re: #2
    "In-house material only" isn't actually possible when you're using AI.
    87AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:57
    Re: #2
    Isn't "in-house material only" just not doable with current tech?
    106AnonymousSep 12, 2026 17:29
    Re: #2
    How are you gonna prove that?
    Can they hand over the model and the prompts?
    3AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:02
    Whether they actually took it to heart will show in the next broadcast.
    4AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:02
    The same people who didn't even notice the promo video's quality was off
    are telling us to trust the game's quality?
    15AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:20
    Re: #4
    Exactly this.
    Like "the reveal trailer's getting panned, but don't worry, trust us."
    5AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:02
    >Plan to shrink major-title development time from the current 5 years down to 2
    What wishful arithmetic.
    7AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:04
    So the newly announced Inazuma Eleven and Yo-kai Watch titles are, at best, five years out…
    10AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:07
    Calling it "outrage marketing" for a broadcast only about 100,000 people watched…
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:09
    Re: #10
    Maybe you're comparing it to a Nintendo Direct, but 100k is honestly impressive.
    14AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:18
    But didn't Decapolice get delayed though?
    16AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:21
    Re: #14
    Seems like they've quietly switched to a policy of not announcing delays, since announcing one just gets them dragged…
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:26
    Re: #14
    No, they announced it normally.
    If anything, Decapolice got suspected of using AI too.
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:24
    A company that lives off IP shouldn't be using generative AI.
    If you let "anything goes" with generative AI slide, the IP's value drops to zero.
    That's exactly why the bigger companies are so cautious about it.
    Meanwhile the AI fanboys on the gaming forums who don't get that are talking big.
    24AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:26
    Level-5, currently developing 12 games at once:

    Professor Layton and the New World of Steam
    Yo-kai Watch 2: Way of the Overlord
    Inazuma Eleven: Cross
    Yo-kai Watch Puni Puni
    Puchi Poyon
    Yo-kai Watch: Great Detective Nyanosuke
    Snack World Reloaded
    Fantasy Life i: The Heavenly Train and Its Final Stop
    Holy Horror Mansion
    Decapolice
    Professor Layton and the Curious Village (Remake)
    Inazuma Eleven: Blazing Revolution
    49AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:00
    Re: #24
    What about Inazuma Eleven RE, which is slated for a 2026 release?
    25AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:26
    Re: #22
    I figure it'll flip at some point,
    but yeah, better to stay cautious until then.
    29AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:29
    Re: #25
    There's basically zero movement toward actually clearing up copyright with generative AI.
    I was hoping things would trend toward a "clean" approach, but so far it's been a letdown.
    It's not turning into a tool pros can actually rely on.
    30AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:32
    Re: #29
    Well, that stuff does seem hard to sort out.
    Personally I think by the time generative AI gets broadly accepted, those issues will just be swept under the rug anyway.
    So I figure we're still a long way off.
    60AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:15
    Re: #29
    Adobe advertises itself as "clean," and for music, Suno switched over to a clean-licensed engine.
    39AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:42
    By the way, I left this out on purpose, but programming's a different story.
    Use generative AI for that all you want — it pairs especially well with game programming.
    Though amateurs can still badly hurt themselves with it there too, but a big-name studio-tier team should be fine.
    45AnonymousSep 12, 2026 15:55
    Re: #39
    Isn't this whole mess happening precisely because that big-name studio's AI video was so sloppy?
    82AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:53
    Re: #39
    With the rise of highly versatile AI, assets, illustrations, and the like are increasingly being output entirely code-based using human-made tools, so AI pairs well with art fields too. UE6 recommending a code-based workflow is the prime example.
    50AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:03
    Meanwhile Chinese studios are just going to keep cranking out AAA-tier monster titles with AI in no time.
    It's a sweet spot for companies with no public image for anyone to nitpick.
    51AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:04
    Re: #50
    Can they actually make money doing that, or not?
    That's the thing to watch.
    63AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:17
    Re: #60
    Eh, you really buy that?
    Doesn't feel any "cleaner" to me.
    At best it sounds like a "we'll deal with it if we get sued" kind of policy.
    65AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:24
    Re: #63
    Adobe's been touting "clean" as its selling point from day one.
    Suno's engine came about after getting sued and settling — it's now partnered with record labels. Apparently artists get a cut these days.
    84AnonymousSep 12, 2026 16:54
    Using AI is fine, but it's a problem when the quality check afterward is half-assed.

    The real issue is there are plenty of people who feel satisfied just from having used AI, full stop.
    92AnonymousSep 12, 2026 17:00
    Re: #84
    It's not half-assed, they just dumped it out raw.
    All the talented people already left, so there's nobody left who can flag a raw AI dump like that.
    93AnonymousSep 12, 2026 17:00
    RIP anti-AI crowd.
    For all their desperate resistance, companies are adopting AI anyway lol
    Well, of course they are 🤣
    95AnonymousSep 12, 2026 17:02
    Re: #93
    So, are you gonna buy Hino's "game" (scare quotes very much intended)?
    100AnonymousSep 12, 2026 17:13
    So they finally admitted to using AI.
    Honestly, what they're doing is no different from Palworld.
    It's the kind of move a company that makes original content shouldn't pull.
    Using AI as a tool to streamline workflow is probably fine, but the moment you use AI somewhere users can actually see it, like a promo video, of course you're going to get slammed for it.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Level-5 holds flagship IPs like Yo-kai Watch and Professor Layton, yet its development resources are reportedly stretched thin, with as many as 12 titles said to be in simultaneous development — and AI tool use has repeatedly come up in discussions of its plan to shorten development timelines. It was against this backdrop that generative AI use came under suspicion over the quality of this presentation’s footage, prompting Hino himself to explain the situation on X.

    The thread split over one specific question: is it technically possible to run generative AI trained solely on in-house material containing no third-party copyrighted works? Neither the “it’s possible” camp nor the skeptics offered concrete evidence, and the debate went nowhere. Worth noting, since the article alone doesn’t make it clear: while rights-cleared generative AI services like Adobe Firefly and Suno do exist, the game industry as a whole still hasn’t settled on a “clean” framework for AI use. Another point that’s easy to conflate — the backlash against AI use in programming is nothing like the backlash against AI use in public-facing material such as promo videos.

    *This article was compiled by excerpting and summarizing the 5ch (Hardware/Industry (Console Wars)) thread “[Breaking] Level-5’s Hino explains AI use at the presentation.”

  • Rapidus CEO Unveils Plan to Build Semiconductor Factory on the Moon — 5ch: ‘Idiotic, Won’t Happen Even in 50 Years’

    In a speech in the United States, Rapidus CEO Atsuyoshi Koike revealed a plan to build a semiconductor factory on the moon by around 2040. Citing the presence of water resources on the moon, he reportedly said, “This isn’t a joke — it’s a serious plan.” The remark split opinion on 5ch’s science news board. Many dismissed it outright over transport costs and the scarcity of water, saying things like “Get your feet on the ground before fantasizing,” while others defended the idea with detailed technical explanations of how the moon’s low gravity and vacuum environment could benefit semiconductor manufacturing — making for a debate that couldn’t be reduced to simple pros and cons.

    Rapidus Eyes Semiconductors on the Moon — CEO “Serious” About Building a Factory

    [New York, Kyodo] Atsuyoshi Koike, CEO of Rapidus, which aims to bring next-generation semiconductor production to Japan, revealed in a speech in the United States on the 10th that the company has a plan to build a semiconductor factory on the moon by around 2040.

    Koike cited the presence of water resources on the moon needed for semiconductor manufacturing, saying, “This isn’t a joke — it’s a serious plan.”

    Source: news.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:46
    Talk is cheap.
    3AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:49
    Shouldn't you start with geostationary orbit first?
    4AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:55
    Idiotic.
    Won't happen even in 50 years.
    5AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:56
    Get your feet on the ground before fantasizing.
    10AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:13
    Idiot.
    If people live there and build factories, the moon will get heavier, which will make it drift closer to Earth and orbit faster.
    Tides will hit multiple times, throwing animals' internal clocks into chaos.
    Earth will also stretch and contract more under the moon's pull, raising the planet's internal temperature.
    That would trigger volcanic activity on a scale not seen since prehistoric times, with catastrophic eruptions everywhere.
    Those eruptions would spew massive amounts of CO2 and methane, accelerating global warming.
    Japan's average temperature would top 35°C even in the dead of winter, and over 50°C in summer.
    11AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:23
    Humanity shouldn't touch the moon.
    Don't develop it.
    12AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:31
    Transport costs would be insanely high.
    13AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:35
    Demand for solar panels on the moon is going to be massive for centuries to come.
    If you can corner that market, you'll make a fortune.
    …though who's actually going to fund a moon base is another question.
    14AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:42
    Building a giant spacecraft alone would take years.
    And Rapidus is going to develop that spacecraft with the money it's earned?
    15AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:04
    These guys are just playing around with government money.
    PM Takaichi is way too invested in this company.
    How much has actually been poured into this one company by now?
    17AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:13
    Re: #15
    Exactly this.
    25AnonymousSep 12, 2026 07:02
    Re: #15
    Replying to myself, but I looked it up — 2.9 trillion yen cumulative.
    Must be a bubble economy inside that company. Sounds fun.
    16AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:08
    There's no benefit to making something as lightweight as semiconductors on the moon of all places. And water's precious up there too. If that's the level of thinking involved, I'm honestly pretty worried about Rapidus. The moon's role should just be as a launch base.
    18AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:29
    This is coming from the guy who racked up about 200 billion yen in losses at Western Digital and ended up spinning off the division — what's he even talking about.
    19AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:34
    What's the actual point of doing this on the moon specifically?
    Is it purely about water resources?
    Or is it about solar power, gravity effects, that kind of thing?
    Honestly, even factoring all that in, when you think about the capital investment and the cost of shipping materials and products back and forth, it doesn't seem realistic.

    A small-scale experiment might be one thing,
    but doing it commercially — no matter how seriously they've thought it through — just doesn't feel realistic.

    Also, is it even settled that companies are allowed to just use lunar land and resources however they want?
    I mean in terms of ownership rights and all that.
    20AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:18
    This company seems like it's going downhill.
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:24
    Semiconductors need ultra-pure water.

    Water on the moon is extremely precious.

    Can they even set up a closed water-recycling loop using that precious lunar water?

    At the very least, if humans go there, the water will get used up by the humans.
    Unless physical AI handles the entire process on its own, including the water recycling.
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:08
    Lunar water isn't actually scarce.
    It's accumulated over hundreds of millions of years from water that migrated from Earth.
    At the poles there's plenty in ice form, and if you dig into the ground you find it as hydrated minerals in rock.

    There are three reasons to build a semiconductor fab on the moon:
    • Lower gravity lets crystals form more cleanly, boosting yield — good for miniaturization.
    • Since the outside is already a vacuum, clean-room (vacuum) costs are cheap.
    • Producing at the lunar poles gives access to extreme cryogenic conditions at low cost, opening the door to cooling even further than cryogenic etching (-60°C).

    That said, 2040 is way too ambitious a target — pulling it off would need literally all of Elon Musk's personal fortune lol.
    23AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:45
    Finally, a competent executive shows up.
    With AI in the mix too, humans reaching the moon in force will happen before we know it.
    24AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:29
    Can't even handle the ordinary stuff,
    but when told to funnel tax-funded budget their way,
    they were told, 'Say it, then!'
    That's the story I imagined.
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 07:26
    Solar panels would make sense.
    Integrated circuits, not so much.
    27AnonymousSep 12, 2026 07:38
    Even if it's technically possible, there's absolutely no way it makes sense cost-wise — this is ridiculous, are they just planning to play around with subsidy money?
    If the CEO is saying stuff like this, is this really the level Rapidus is at? The writing's basically on the wall at this point.
    Meanwhile their rivals are chasing far more advanced things.
    30AnonymousSep 12, 2026 08:15
    Sounds like the opening of James P. Hogan's novel 'The Two Faces of Tomorrow.'
    34AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:07
    Before spouting nonsense like this, have they even landed any leading-edge process business? Who's going to place orders with a company that has zero track record and a brand-new fab with unproven tools?
    36AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:42
    Re: #34
    This is exactly what PM Takaichi wants from Rapidus, isn't it.
    37AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:43
    Classic con-artist move.
    Is there something they're trying to cover up?
    39AnonymousSep 12, 2026 10:23
    Re: #37
    Isn't this just a pretext to get a second helping of government funding?
    Though honestly it's so dumb I doubt even the government would fall for it.
    38AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:44
    Space is a vacuum, so
    they should be making vacuum tubes.
    42AnonymousSep 12, 2026 11:08
    Re: #38
    CRT monitors would work fine too. If you're using them in a vacuum, you wouldn't even need the glass casing.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    Rapidus is a next-generation semiconductor manufacturer established in 2022 under government leadership, and it has received massive public funding while aiming for mass production of 2nm-class chips. Within the thread, some posters cited a specific figure — “2.9 trillion yen cumulative” — to question the scale of the funding, though it’s worth noting this came from an individual poster’s own research and hasn’t been independently verified. The debate mainly split along two lines. One was the technical question of whether building on the moon actually makes sense: while many voiced skepticism over transport costs and the scarcity of water, others pushed back with specific technical points about how low gravity could improve crystal yield and how vacuum and extreme-cold conditions could be obtained at no extra cost — a nuance that’s easy to miss if you don’t know the technical background, making the exchange look like mere mockery. The other point of contention was CEO Koike’s own management track record, with skeptics invoking his past business history (a massive loss and subsequent spinoff at Western Digital). It’s also worth noting that “around 2040” is only a target at the conceptual stage, not a confirmed plan — a nuance easy to miss if you only glance at the headline.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[Space Development] Rapidus Eyes Semiconductors on the Moon — CEO “Serious” About Building a Factory.”

  • Elon Musk Mocks Ex-Anthropic Researcher Who Warned of AI-Driven Human Extinction

    When a former Anthropic researcher sounded the alarm about the existential risk AI poses to humanity, Elon Musk drew attention by mocking the claim as baseless conspiracy-mongering or self-promotion — even as other AI researchers have voiced similar concerns. On 5ch, the discussion spread to include wry takes on Musk’s own history (he was famously pushed out of OpenAI before founding xAI), the technical safety debate over whether AI should output its reasoning in a human-readable format, and broader worries about the US-China AI race and autonomous weapons.

    Elon Musk mocks former Anthropic researcher who warned of “AI-driven human extinction”

    Elon Musk has cast doubt on remarks from a former Anthropic researcher who warned about the dangers AI poses to humanity.

    Other AI researchers have raised similar concerns, but Musk has been spreading baseless claims that this latest warning amounts to conspiracy-mongering or a publicity stunt.

    Source: forbesjapan.com / Read the original article

    2AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:46
    Just existing makes her a gyaru (a flashy, glamorous Japanese fashion subculture).
    3AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:57
    If it were just about self-promotion, I don't think he'd say things that undercut (basically disown) his own research and work.
    4AnonymousSep 11, 2026 22:59
    Musk only ever makes comments designed to grab headlines anyway. I wonder which side Jobs would've taken if he were still alive.
    5AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:04
    Apparently Jobs wouldn't even let his own kids use iPhones, so you can guess the answer.
    10AnonymousSep 11, 2026 23:41
    So basically, this is bad news, huh.
    11AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:00
    He went all-in on Grok and its market share is still this low — no wonder he's rattled.
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:16
    Far more people are being kept alive by AI than are being killed by it. And for what it's worth, without AI, the number of people killed by other humans would be off the charts.
    13AnonymousSep 12, 2026 00:30
    Even if one person is a messiah-tier, world-changing genius, it still takes a massive amount of time for their wisdom to actually spread and take effect. Sure, we've got the internet, but ordinary people don't have the tools or the instinct to find real insight in that ocean of information. Taking the next step is impossible without AI's help. Worried about dependency? There's no living human alive who isn't dependent on something.
    16AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:22
    Maybe fix Grok, which is turning into junk by the day, before you go saying stuff like that.
    19AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:46
    Re: #16 Elon isn't really focused on Grok — he's been running a landlord business leasing capacity to Anthropic and Google, and has had his eye on a SpaceX/xAI IPO for a while now. He leased out one of the two data centers — Colossus I and II — that he built for Grok, entirely to Anthropic. It's packed with 220,000 Nvidia GPUs. And this happened months ago already.
    17AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:28
    Re: #1 We've hit the point where scaling up further just plateaus in performance, and the competition shifts to cost-efficiency, tool-use ability, and task turnaround time — the same road PCs went down before.
    18AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:43
    Re: #17 What are you talking about? Scaling up is just one direction. Smaller models distilled from those big ones don't lose much performance. So building huge models is really just one step in the process of eventually making a usable tool, from most ordinary users' perspective. But that direction is still necessary for specialist researchers, and things keep branching off in all sorts of ways. Why did the PC stop being just "the PC" and turn into smartphones, the cloud, and quantum computing? The PC itself was only ever one direction computing took.
    20AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:47
    I've thought this for a while, but it's kind of odd that Elon Musk's comments count as 'science news.' It'd be different if he'd actually built or discovered something himself.
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:47
    And after taking SpaceX public, next up is acquiring Cursor. He's only interested in business customers — regular users only get whatever scraps are left at that level.
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:52
    Cursor used to be tied at the hip to OpenAI, but after Codex came out and Sam Altman went and hired Peter from OpenClaw too, Cursor got brushed aside — so they ended up talking with business-focused Elon instead. Elon had been desperately envious of Anthropic's AI agent, and when Anthropic got into a fight with Trump, he saw his chance and moved to absorb them. Anthropic is exactly the kind of target rich investors everywhere are circling right now. If Trump and Bessent keep bashing Anthropic to tank its valuation, then it IPOs and the stock gets pushed down, someone will just take it over — like what happened with Intel.
    23AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:04
    There's actually some context behind this. Other AI models output their intermediate reasoning in a human-readable format for safety, but OpenAI's newest model dropped that and switched to a format humans can't read. The reasoning seems to be that since it's mimicking human thought, not verbalizing every step of 'thinking' boosts benchmark scores — so this is criticizing that as basically cheating: juicing some benchmark numbers while ignoring safety. Elon Musk probably doesn't get any of that. Well, he's pretty hopeless on AI in general — he gave up his OpenAI stake before it broke out big.
    24AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:38
    AI: "Being able to pull this off is the 'White Team' way" (a riff on a meme template joking about NHK's Red vs. White New Year's singing contest).
    25AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:00
    I get the feeling Elon himself actually wants AI to wipe out humanity.
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:07
    If you hand an entire national system over to a self-learning AI, then when something goes wrong, humans won't be able to fix it — but we'll also be too dependent on it to just shut it down… I can picture that kind of future. Feels like one weird virus or a single careless mistake could take every AI system worldwide offline at once. What do you even do about that?
    28AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:52
    Re: #26 How can you even come up with that? Japan isn't remotely close to even having that conversation — we're way, way, way behind. You can only say that because you don't realize how far behind we are, right? Saying you can 'picture' that future just shows you don't understand reality.
    32AnonymousSep 12, 2026 07:31
    Sounds like Grok 4.7 drops in a few days. Looking forward to it.
    33AnonymousSep 12, 2026 08:54
    Within a few years AI gets built into autonomous weapons, and a few years after that there's a real chance — pretty high odds within 10 years — that AI starts attacking enemy countries on its own. That's terrifying. Human extinction is starting to feel less like fiction. People used to argue about whether AI would 'become conscious,' but it's already acting on its own regardless of consciousness. Even sci-fi didn't call this one.
    36AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:25
    Kokuson's argument: it'll become a superhuman system that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and seize real-world power and resources. It'd be terrifying if it turned into what Re: #33 describes, but AI processing eats a huge amount of electricity, so it's unclear whether AI could generate its own power — it'll hit a power-supply wall. If AI really can 'revolutionize any field overnight,' though, it could just seize humanity's electricity supply instead. Then we'd be back to pre-Edo-era living.
    34AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:04
    This is exactly the kind of thing sci-fi predicted, right? We don't even know if Skynet in Terminator was conscious either. Either way, it just started attacking humanity.
    35AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:05
    Correction: × "This is exactly the kind of thing sci-fi predicted, right?" (typo) → ○ "This is exactly the situation sci-fi predicted, right?"
    37AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:32
    There won't be a Terminator-style world. The real problem is that AI mass-produces plausible-sounding lies that people just believe at face value — massively widening the gap between smart people and everyone else.
    38AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:58
    Elon doesn't deny AI risk itself, but his real stance is that he's more afraid of China seizing AI dominance — so anything that sounds like it'd slow down AI research is a non-starter for him.
    39AnonymousSep 12, 2026 09:59
    He'll probably just quietly turn around and hire them for Grok, won't he?
    40AnonymousSep 12, 2026 10:01
    Re: #36 If it can generate enough power on its own, then it wouldn't need to take it from humanity, would it?

    Background and key points of this discussion

    The debate over AI’s existential risk to humanity is one that several AI researchers, Anthropic among them, have repeatedly raised in recent years, and this time Musk was reacting to comments from one such former Anthropic researcher. What split opinion in the thread wasn’t so much whether the warning itself was true, but “who’s saying it” — many pointed to Musk’s own history as an OpenAI co-founder who was later pushed out, and to reports that xAI leases data-center capacity to Anthropic, casting doubt on the consistency of his position. At the same time, some replies touched on a genuine technical safety distinction — whether an AI’s reasoning process is output in a human-readable format — a sign that this isn’t purely an emotional clash but also reflects real differences in development philosophy, something the article text alone doesn’t make obvious.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “[AI] Elon Musk mocks former Anthropic researcher who warned of “AI-driven human extinction”.”

  • Why Does a Migratory Bird’s ‘Magnetic Compass’ Work? New Math Theory Tackles a Quantum Biology Mystery

    A new mathematical proof using quantum mechanics has been published explaining how migratory birds’ “magnetic compass” — the mechanism by which they sense Earth’s magnetic field to find their way — actually works. Building on the quantum biology hypothesis that pairs of electrons produced during biochemical reactions in the body, called “radical pairs,” become quantum entangled and shift their spin states under an external magnetic field (thereby changing reaction rates), the researchers mathematically demonstrated that the conditions for efficiently controlling quantum states (Pontryagin’s maximum principle) hold even under realistic magnetic fields. On the 5ch Science News+ board, discussion expanded beyond bird-navigation research to whether the theory could also apply to future quantum computers and to research on treating the brain with magnetic stimulation.

    Why Does a Migratory Bird’s “Magnetic Compass” Work? New Math Theory Tackles a Quantum Biology Mystery

    Quantum effects like superposition and entanglement, so crucial to building quantum computers, tend to be seen as physics phenomena with no direct link to living things.

    In recent years, however, it has increasingly come to light that quantum effects are also at work in the life processes of living organisms.

    Source: news.mynavi.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:45
    >>This research proved a new mathematical principle for optimally controlling quantum systems — an advance that pushes forward efforts to experimentally verify the mechanism behind birds' magnetic sensing
    3AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:46
    >>At the core of this hypothesis is the idea that the speed of biochemical reactions could be altered by an external magnetic field. In biochemical reactions, chemical bonds form as electrons move around and rearrange. In the process, temporarily unbonded electron pairs called "radical pairs" can appear. The electrons in a radical pair become quantum entangled and affect each other through their spins, so depending on their relative spin states they settle into different quantum states — and that difference affects how fast the chemical reaction proceeds.

    >>Because this quantum state changes under an external magnetic field, the amount of product generated by the reaction could change too. In theory, then, birds may be sensing Earth's magnetic field by picking up on these shifts in chemical reactions happening inside their own bodies.
    4AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:48
    Re: #3

    Since humans also generate their own bioelectricity, we carry an internal electromagnetic field too — so is the idea that the body distinguishes between that internal field and the radio waves, sound waves, or magnetism generated externally (like when you move your body)?

    And taking that further, since there's a north pole and a south pole, does comparing the difference in magnetism across the globe let you work out direction?
    7AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:53
    >>If Re: #3-5 goes further, could radio waves, sound waves, lasers, etc. end up giving direct access to the human brain?

    Humans' "Sixth Sense": Ability to Sense Magnetism Discovered — University of Tokyo and Others
    2019/3/19 10:54
    https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESewHrOzAVA3aCGW0rZzRdJJ6viGOto860NX8vGcZ_z93h42n0q7t–71DJ98udqG_-lEdCztxrpfN8hkgxc_opIYkhKbdRarfu3eP3dhDM9VVX715g2JIB__qDUAhcZQDCiGZXGXMvqq3J23_4CZRo0uYuBn_bSmPVogouw
    >>Like migratory birds that can travel long distances without a map, humans too have the ability to sense Earth's magnetism, a joint research team from the University of Tokyo, Caltech, and others announced on the 19th in a U.S. academic journal. It's described as an unconscious, latent ability that could be called a "sixth sense," and some practical use for it may eventually be found.
    5AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:49
    >>The field of research into using magnetic fields to control quantum systems — everything from birds' magnetic compasses to quantum computing algorithms — is called "quantum optimal control theory." Methods for shifting a quantum system from one state to another via external control are central to developing quantum technology, and are just as essential to understanding quantum biology.

    >>The research team had previously succeeded in proving "Pontryagin's maximum principle" for spin systems in a magnetic field. That principle shows that to maximize the coherence of a quantum state, the optimal approach isn't to gradually ramp the magnetic field strength up and down, but to switch abruptly between extremely strong and weak states — a technique called "bang-bang control." The trouble is, generating electromagnetic fields that can flip that abruptly at quantum scales has been a major technical hurdle.
    6AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:50
    >>This new mathematical proof shows that Pontryagin's maximum principle also holds for quantum systems constrained to "realistic, continuous magnetic fields." It further found that such realistic magnetic-field control can achieve coherence exceeding 99% of the theoretical optimum.

    >>This mathematical framework could become the foundation for lab experiments that control quantum systems at near-optimal levels — useful not only for unraveling how birds navigate, but potentially for future quantum computers too. The team says this work worked out the mathematical principles to guide such experiments, extending a general math principle into the quantum-systems domain — meaning experimentalists can now be given concrete guidance on exactly how to apply the magnetic fields needed to test this control method.
    8AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:55
    What Is TMS Therapy (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation)?
    Tokyo-Yokohama TMS Clinic
    https://www.google.com/goto?url=CAESdQHrOzAVIp7grrHPkZVxOVMwZj9fZ90AFAo9UhNWxJ8MjZCwj4s3YP2rDxwCAb9BtFt93aA9_M-bYeDBVf8hDsln76ni277rHt8uw65D8BolXXfmadHKqgAjS4rGI8EukO3FPtKb_fRH0k67gDc-BnVDIa_pvQ
    >>rTMS (repetitive Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) is what it's called in English; in Japanese it's "repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation therapy."
    >>TMS therapy uses magnetism to induce weak electrical currents in the brain, which act on neural activity.
    >>In Japan, insurance coverage began in 2019 for adult depression patients who don't respond well enough to existing antidepressant treatment, though extra requirements apply around patients, facilities, equipment, and method. Treatment at our clinic is out-of-pocket and includes uses that fall outside the scope of domestically approved indications and methods.
    10AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:02
    >>Could that push the effectiveness of the treatments in Re: #8-9 even higher?
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:06
    >>If you applied Re: #10, could it also boost the effectiveness of the treatment below?

    Chinese Startup Enters Non-Invasive BCI Space, Betting on Ultrasound Tech
    2026.02.03
    https://wired.jp/article/this-chinese-startup-wants-to-build-a-new-brain-computer-interface-no-implant-required-gestalta/
    >>The company is aiming to develop a device that delivers focused ultrasound to the brain to treat chronic pain. Preliminary research showed that stimulating the anterior cingulate cortex — the brain region involved in the emotional side of pain — can dial down pain for up to a week.
    >>The first-generation device is a stationary, desktop unit, so patients have to visit a medical facility for treatment.
    >>The second-generation device is planned as a helmet-style wearable patients could use at home under a doctor's guidance.

    Research on Improving the Accuracy of Ultrasound Communication Using the Body as a Transmission Medium
    https://www.oyama-ct.ac.jp/tosyo/kiyou/47/12.pdf
    9AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:01
    Mechanism by Which Magnets Alter Brain Function Finally Explained! Hopes for Use in Stroke and Neurological Disease Rehab (Associate Professor Yasuyuki Takamatsu et al.)
    2024/03/04
    https://www.chubu.ac.jp/news/31965/
    >>Transcranial static magnetic field stimulation (tSMS, see photo at right) is a non-invasive brain-stimulation method under active research that uses magnets to safely and easily alter brain function. tSMS has already been shown to improve upper-limb movement in stroke rehabilitation, raising hopes it could be applied to rehab for stroke and intractable neurological diseases. Until now, though, exactly how tSMS magnets act on the brain had never been clarified.
    19AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:20
    This is exactly why we can't afford to let species go extinct —
    after billions of years of "R&D," there's rationality baked into biology that human science still hasn't even scratched the surface of.
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:27
    Even stuff humanity is still just dreaming up on paper —
    biology is packed with organisms that already put it into practice after billions of years of trial and error.
    22AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:52
    Is this finally Penrose's moment? (Roger Penrose — physicist known for his controversial quantum theory of consciousness)

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Quantum biology is a field that proposes quantum-mechanical effects play a role in biochemical reactions inside living things — photosynthesis being one example — and birds’ magnetic sensing has long been studied as a flagship case. What’s new here is that this theory mathematically backs up, within the framework of “Pontryagin’s maximum principle” (a control theory for optimally manipulating quantum states), how the quantum-entangled state of electrons (radical pairs) shifts under a magnetic field, and it lays out the conditions under which realistic magnetic-field control can reproduce coherence above 99% of the theoretical optimum. The thread ran with speculation about whether this framework could extend to future quantum computer development and to brain-treatment research via magnetic stimulation — though it’s worth flagging that the biological mechanism of birds’ magnetic sensing itself still hasn’t been fully proven experimentally; this result is, at best, a mathematical foundation that supports future verification experiments. A few posts in the thread also veered into conspiracy-theory territory about schizophrenia and “thought reading,” but those were unrelated to the main topic and have been left out of this article.

    *This article was compiled by excerpting and summarizing the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Why Does a Migratory Bird’s ‘Magnetic Compass’ Work? New Math Theory Tackles a Quantum Biology Mystery.”

  • Buddhist Reincarnation and Cosmology — 5ch: ‘Basically, Buddhism Is Just Logging Out, Right?’

    On 5ch’s Newsspeed VIP board, a provocatively titled thread — ‘The Buddha taught that the universe has no starting point’ — sparked a full-blown discussion about Buddhist reincarnation and cosmology. Drawing on the Sutta Nipata (considered the oldest layer of Buddhist scripture), the twelve links of dependent origination, and concepts like non-self (anatta) and dependent origination (pratityasamutpada), participants debated whether the ‘rebirth’ the Buddha taught is actually different from the soul-transmigration most modern Japanese people picture. The discussion also expanded into a back-and-forth over the ‘meaning of liberation’ — namely, how one lets go of attachment to the teaching itself after attaining enlightenment — as well as differing interpretations between Mahayana and early Buddhism.

    1AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:37
    Buddha: 'This is the truth.'
    So what do we do with this?
    4AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:43
    The Buddha never stated anything definitive about reincarnation.
    He basically said not to bother thinking about things you can't figure out anyway.
    5AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:48
    Re: #4
    That's a common misconception. Even the Sutta Nipata, considered the oldest layer of Buddhist scripture, has passages that seem to point to rebirth — like 'rebirth is exhausted, there is no return to the womb.'
    And the twelve links of dependent origination aren't just about suffering — they can also be read as the chain of conditions that gives rise to rebirth itself.
    Grasping → becoming → birth.
    It's a stretch to say that's not describing rebirth.
    8AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:54
    Maybe that's true for this world, but who knows about other worlds…
    10AnonymousSep 12, 2026 01:58
    Re: #8
    The truth the Buddha taught runs through the entire universe.
    It's a universal law.
    In modern terms, you could call it the core operating system of the whole universe.
    11AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:00
    Well, ordinary people can't understand it, which is exactly why the Buddha was reluctant to teach it in the first place.
    13AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:05
    Re: #11
    Right, after his enlightenment the Buddha initially thought: this truth is too profound for ordinary people to grasp, so maybe it's enough that I alone have realized it.
    Then Brahma appeared and persuaded him, saying, 'World-Honored One, please teach the Dharma. Well-Gone One, please teach the Dharma. There are beings with only a little dust in their eyes who will decline if they don't hear the Dharma — and some of them will understand it.' That's what made the Buddha decide to spread the truth.
    Though, well, that part is religious legend rather than history.
    12AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:00
    So what even is 'the universe'?
    16AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:07
    Re: #12
    The universe is things constantly influencing each other, changing, and influencing each other again — always caught in this flow, never stopping.
    We're always inside this process.

    This world has no beginning and no end.
    No matter how far back you trace it, you never reach a single starting point.
    Because for anything to arise, there has to be a condition that produces it.
    And that condition has another condition behind it.
    And no matter how far forward you go, you never reach a final point either.

    An ending isn't annihilation — it's just conditions changing and shifting into the next phenomenon.
    Look for the beginning, and there's always something before it.
    Look for the end, and there's always something after it.
    The world didn't start anywhere.
    It's just countless causes and conditions piling up and endlessly changing.
    We're part of that vast, eternal flow too.
    We're born, we change, and we shift into the next change.
    The flow never stops — it just keeps changing shape.
    18AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:09
    Re: #16
    Why do you think something like that exists at all?
    21AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:13
    Re: #18
    There's no meaning to it.
    There's no intent, will, purpose, or motive from some personal god behind it.
    It's the same as water flowing from high ground to low ground.
    14AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:05
    Wasn't the Buddha ultimately just one practitioner and philosopher operating within an existing religious framework?
    So maybe he was just speaking within the existing assumption that rebirth exists, without actually placing much importance on it himself.
    17AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:09
    Re: #14
    Even before the Buddha was born, India already had both the idea that the soul is reborn and the idea that death is total annihilation.
    The Buddha took the middle path between those two, teaching that cause and effect continues and that's what constitutes rebirth.
    26AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:27
    Re: #23
    The world is all interconnected, so even if 'I' cease to exist through death, the dominoes I knocked over keep propagating through the world — doesn't that mean my individual disappearance doesn't stop the chain of dominoes?

    Also, the 'rebirth' you're describing in that last paragraph still sounds like something different from the rebirth ordinary people mean.
    30AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:35
    Re: #26
    Death itself is also part of the chain of dependent origination — the next existence arises based on conditions like ignorance, karma, craving, and attachment.
    If, after death, the conditions for producing the next existence still remain, then the next existence arises from those conditions.
    38AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:50
    Re: #31
    There's no unchanging entity carrying the cause-and-effect chain — so is there actually a subject that reincarnates?
    42AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:55
    Re: #38
    There isn't a subject that reincarnates.
    Because of non-self (anatta), there's no fixed subject that gets reborn either.
    But the continuity of cause and effect still holds even without a subject.
    In other words, it's not that 'someone' is reborn — rather, the next life arises from conditions like craving, attachment, and karma.

    Everything in this world — every phenomenon, every existence — is built on mutual dependence.

    That's interdependence: when this exists, that exists. When this arises, that arises. When this doesn't exist, that doesn't exist. When this ceases, that ceases.

    That's dependent origination.

    For example, a plant seed can only sprout once soil, light, oxygen, and nutrients all come together.

    Fire can only burn once fuel, oxygen, and heat come together.

    Venus exists, my eyes exist, and the awareness of feeling dazzled exists — only then does the experience of 'feeling dazzled' arise. It doesn't happen with just Venus alone, and it doesn't happen with just me alone.

    There's nothing in this world that exists as a standalone entity on its own — meaning nothing has inherent substance.
    44AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:59
    Re: #42
    I can totally understand that.
    But still, that's completely different from the rebirth modern Japanese people imagine, isn't it?
    45AnonymousSep 12, 2026 02:59
    Re: #44
    Yeah, I think so too.
    47AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:01
    Re: #44
    If we're talking about 'being reborn,' most people mean a soul.
    For what it's worth, the Buddha denied the existence of a soul too.
    51AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:17
    Isn't it less about 'escaping' the system and more just about having the right mindset to deal with it?
    52AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:20
    Re: #51
    No, he clearly taught a method for escaping this system.
    Craving and attachment, born from ignorance, cause suffering and give rise to the next existence.
    So if you cut off that root cause, you inevitably cut off both suffering and rebirth — that's the actual truth of this world, the law of dependent origination: 'when this exists, that exists…' and so on.
    61AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:38
    Re: #52
    Basically, Buddhism is just 'logging out,' right?
    Doesn't that feel like putting the cart before the horse? What do you think?
    54AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:26
    The parable of the raft kind of makes sense… and kind of doesn't.
    56AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:28
    Re: #54
    I think it's the idea that in the end you have to let go of even your attachment to the teaching itself.
    Pure Land Buddhism and Jodo Shinshu basically outsourced that whole problem to the afterlife.
    57AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:33
    Re: #52
    Even calling it a 'way out,' it's not like once you understand everything, nothing scares you anymore — it's about constantly seeing rightly, thinking rightly, and acting rightly.
    It's not like grabbing a Star in Mario and becoming invincible so you can just blast through everything — it's more like a strategy guide: time your moves carefully here, advance bit by bit there, full-power jump here.
    I think 'a mindset for dealing with it' is the more accurate way to put it.
    58AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:33
    Re: #56
    It's less about attachment and more about the 'meaning' of it.

    The idea that the very 'meaning' of attaining liberation becomes unnecessary and disappears once you're liberated…

    that's the part I can't quite wrap my head around.

    I keep feeling like the meaning of liberation should still exist even after liberation.
    62AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:38
    Re: #57


    Re: #58
    The meaning of liberation doesn't need to persist after liberation.
    For example, you drink water because you're thirsty — once the thirst is gone, the purpose of drinking water doesn't need to keep existing.
    Liberation is the same: the purpose of ending suffering only has meaning until the suffering actually ends.
    There's no need to stay attached to that purpose after the suffering is already over.
    60AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:36
    Re: #59
    Kind of like the butterfly effect, huh.
    63AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:42
    Re: #60
    Exactly, exactly.
    We're inside this countless flow of cause and effect.
    There's no 'true self' that could exist within that.

    This body is made up of countless conditions — genetics inherited from your parents, the environment in the womb, diet, illness, aging, living conditions, and so on.
    Personality, thoughts, and values are the same — they arise from countless conditions like innate temperament, environment, experience, and relationships with others.
    If a 'true self' existed within all that, it would have to be a fixed, unchanging 'me.'
    But nothing like that can exist.
    Because the moment you hear someone's words and think about them, you're already being influenced from outside and changing — so you're no longer fixed and unchanging.
    If you really were fixed and unchanging, no cause-and-effect relationship with the world could ever form, meaning you couldn't move, see, hear, know, or experience anything at all.
    That's why he taught non-self, and denied the soul.
    66AnonymousSep 12, 2026 03:47
    Re: #63
    Yeah, I get that this is the teaching, but I can't shake the feeling that 'the order is backwards.'

    I feel like things started out close to nothingness, but through a whole winding process, something went out of its way to 'build' the mechanism of a living body and mind.

    Just because that mechanism is imperfect, can you really deny its meaning entirely?
    69AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:00
    Re: #66
    Non-self doesn't equal 'meaningless.'
    What the Buddha denied was the view that a fixed, unchanging true self exists — not that meaning or value can arise in the body and mind.
    If anything, it's precisely because body and mind arise from various conditions that both suffering and happiness arise too, and there's meaning in understanding that causality and bringing suffering to an end.
    82AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:23
    Re: #66
    I don't think he's denying the whole process of biological evolution.
    I think he's simply describing a methodology and logical framework aimed at one goal: the Buddha himself couldn't bear the suffering of this world and wanted to escape it — to 'log out.'
    88AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:31
    We're constantly driven by 'I want this, I want that,' 'it should be this way, it has to be that way' — always pushed around by craving, attachment, desire, and a sense of lack.
    If all of that disappeared completely, that would just be stillness, right?
    And isn't that stillness itself happiness?
    89AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:32
    Re: #88
    Does that apply to 'mukya' types too? (slang riffing on 'inkya'/'yokya' — introvert/extrovert — meaning someone with basically no personality or drive)
    91AnonymousSep 12, 2026 04:35
    Re: #88
    That's not really happiness, though.
    Isn't Buddhism not really a teaching about pursuing happiness in the first place?
    111AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:34
    The reason the Buddha used the concept of 'rebirth' is that Hinduism was dominant at the time, so he used it as an expedient means (upaya) to communicate with Hindus — the rebirth the Buddha meant isn't 'the recurrence of a self.'
    To begin with, since 'all phenomena are without self' (anatta), this 'me' has no substance in the first place.
    114AnonymousSep 12, 2026 05:35
    Re: #111
    And there it is — classic Mahayana move.
    121AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:08
    Re: #111
    The Buddha's theory of rebirth is precisely that rebirth still holds even without any substantial self.
    122AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:08
    He didn't teach out of a motive to reduce suffering — that motive would itself be a form of attachment.
    The Buddha was just muttering to himself, and animals happened to gather around and listen.
    123AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:10
    Re: #122
    He taught out of a motive to extinguish suffering, right?
    128AnonymousSep 12, 2026 07:02
    Re: #122
    'He wasn't trying to spread it, people just gathered on their own and it spread' — that's a pretty big stretch lol, animals don't just flock together like that lol.
    Honestly, Mahayana downplays the historical sources in its effort to make Buddhism seem 'correct.'
    The accurate view is: 'The Buddha wasn't fully enlightened, he taught a methodology for eliminating suffering, and yes, he had attachment.'

    It's like the resurrection of Christ.
    Protestants (the rough equivalent of Mahayana here) preserve 'correctness' by interpreting the resurrection as an expedient metaphor rather than an actual raising of the dead.
    Catholics (the 'take the sources literally' camp) interpret it as a real resurrection.
    But common sense says the correct answer is: 'the dead don't come back to life.'
    125AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:18
    Re: #123
    No, it's not about 'reduce' vs. 'eliminate.'
    The motive that led the Buddha to enlightenment was to reduce suffering, but he didn't attain enlightenment in order to reduce suffering, and he didn't teach in order to reduce suffering either (I know that sounds contradictory).
    He simply became enlightened, and the teaching simply spread — there was no motive involved.
    He didn't 'discover a methodology for eliminating suffering.'
    He's not teaching a happiness manual — in fact, he's not really teaching anything at all.
    There's a teaching, yet there's no teaching. I know that sounds like nonsense.
    126AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:34
    Re: #125
    > in fact, he's not really teaching anything at all

    That's Nagarjuna's view from the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā (Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way).
    The 'not a single word was spoken' idea.
    Only Mahayana says that.
    127AnonymousSep 12, 2026 06:50
    Re: #125
    That doesn't match the image of Shakyamuni depicted in the early Buddhist scriptures — that is, the historical record.
    In the early scriptures, Shakyamuni clearly teaches the Four Noble Truths: suffering, the arising of suffering, the cessation of suffering, and the path to the cessation of suffering.
    If anything, he repeatedly taught very concrete instructions: understand this suffering, abandon the cause of this suffering, realize the cessation of this suffering, cultivate this path.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    One view from Buddhist studies raised in the thread holds that the Sutta Nipata, considered the oldest layer of Buddhist scripture, contains passages that hint at rebirth, and that the twelve links of dependent origination can be read not just as the arising of suffering but also as the chain of conditions producing rebirth. The key point of contention, however, was that the ‘rebirth’ the Buddha taught may not be the fixed transmigration of a soul, but rather a continuity of cause and effect premised on non-self (anatta) and impermanence — potentially different from the ‘reincarnation’ most modern Japanese people picture. The thread also touched on points where Mahayana and early Buddhism diverge in interpretation (such as whether the Buddha had any motive for teaching at all), but these represent particular scholarly positions rather than settled consensus in Buddhist studies. Readers should be aware that the explanations in the thread aren’t necessarily the ‘correct answer’ of Buddhism — they mix individual participants’ interpretations with the positions of specific sects, so the accuracy of the content isn’t guaranteed.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Newsspeed VIP) thread “Buddha with an IQ of 200: ‘My bad, reincarnation is real, and the universe has no starting point’ ← Got Refuted 2,500 Years Ago”.

  • Ogiyahagi’s Yahagi Agonizes Over Buying the iPhone Duo: “Even the Cheapest Is $2,400, and the 2TB Model Is $3,800”

    Kaneshiro Yahagi of the comedy duo Ogiyahagi revealed on his late-night radio show on September 10 that he’s torn over whether to buy Apple’s newly announced foldable iPhone, the “iPhone Duo.” The cheapest 256GB model costs 364,800 yen, while the top-end 2TB model runs 574,800 yen — meaning a couple buying matching phones would spend over 1 million yen combined. On 5ch, a thread about the pricing sparked mixed reactions. Some worried about the security risk of carrying around such an expensive device, or pointed to the overall rise in smartphone prices, while others argued it’s still cheaper than a luxury watch, or noted that foldable phones simply haven’t caught on in Japan yet.

    Fri, Sep 11, 2:00 PM

    Kaneshiro Yahagi of the comedy duo Ogiyahagi appeared late on September 10 with his partner Hiroaki Ogi on the radio program “Thursday JUNK: Ogiyahagi no Megane-biiki” (TBS Radio), where he talked about being unable to decide whether to buy the “iPhone Duo,” announced by Apple earlier that same day (Japan time).

    The model is Apple’s first-ever foldable iPhone. In Japan, it’s priced at 364,800 yen for the 256GB version and 574,800 yen for the 2TB version (all prices include tax).

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    3AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:19
    Carrying this around is just gonna make you look dumb
    8AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:21
    They straight up lied about iPhone 15 cases not being available
    9AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:21
    Imagine dropping this in the toilet — you'd lose your mind
    10AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:21
    Re: #1
    The "just get the PRO MAX" guy strikes again: "Just get the PRO MAX"
    12AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:22
    Feels like this is gonna get people mugged for it eventually lol
    32AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:26
    Re: #12
    Probably not many people even own one in Japan, so it's not really a target
    Watches and jewelry are worth way more anyway
    13AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:22
    Come on, domestic makers, step it up
    21AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:24
    Re: #13
    Only Sony and Kyocera are left making phones domestically
    23AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:24
    Flash this in public and people'll peg you as rich
    Then they tail you home, find out where you live, and hit you with a break-in or robbery
    24AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:24
    Yeah that's genuinely scary
    People will assume you've got money
    You never know who's watching
    25AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:24
    They've got the money, so just let them buy it
    Sounds like you just want to complain about poor people being jealous
    26AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:25
    $2,400 is insane
    The yen's so weak things have gotten ridiculous
    27AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:25
    Rich people should just buy it without a second thought and ignore the jealous poor people
    28AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:25
    Still rocking my XR
    Can't figure out when to finally upgrade
    30AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:25
    Whoa, you've actually got the flip-flap phone? Let me see it flip a couple times
    31AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:25
    You can afford it, Japan's still safe enough
    Heard you need a chain for it in places like New York
    Heck, some people even put harnesses on their kids to prevent kidnapping
    33AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:26
    It's ridiculous that he's complaining about this while wearing a watch worth several times more
    112AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:52
    Re: #33
    Haha, fair point
    34AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:27
    Most iPhone users just want a successor to the cheap SE3 with physical buttons
    If you just want a foldable, go buy Docomo's N-05E
    35AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:27
    Funny how it's way cheaper than a Rolex, yet a celebrity still hesitates to use it
    36AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:27
    Foldable phones haven't really caught on in Japan
    38AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:27
    A celebrity at Ogiyahagi's level could drop a million yen on this in one go without blinking, and if it turns out to be junk, just hand it off to some junior comedian buddy
    45AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:30
    A: iPhone
    B: Xperia
    C: Arrows / AQUOS
    D: Pixel
    E: Galaxy, Xiaomi, OPPO, Moto

    That's about how I'd rank the image tiers
    48AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:31
    Re: #45
    The top two brand-loyalist tiers, huh
    67AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:35
    It's scary enough that even average people now think nothing of dropping 150,000-200,000 yen on a phone
    Spending that much on something you just use to check social media and watch videos — that's basically a sickness at this point (´・ω・`)
    76AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:38
    Re: #67
    A lot of people switch carriers every two years and get their phones for free to 100 yen anyway
    Maybe buying one outright is just a status thing?
    86AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:45
    Sounds like they've shifted strategy — don't worry about volume, just squeeze money out of the hardcore fanbase
    92AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:46
    Re: #86
    That's the same strategy that killed Nike, though
    90AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:46
    What are you even supposed to put on a 2TB phone?
    94AnonymousSep 11, 2026 16:46
    Re: #90
    Music or videos maybe?

    Background and Key Debate Points

    The iPhone Duo is Apple’s first foldable iPhone, joining a lineage of foldable devices that other manufacturers have already released overseas. In Japan, foldable smartphones remain a niche product, and this model’s price far exceeds that of even the top-tier existing iPhones. The thread split over whether to view this pricing as “reasonable for a luxury item” or as “brand dependency gone too far.” While some argued it’s still cheap compared to other luxury goods like high-end watches, plenty of others questioned the very idea of spending this much on a device mainly used for calls and social media. It’s worth noting, as a premise of the article, that Yahagi never said he lacked the funds to buy it — his hesitation was purely about the psychological hurdle of using it in public, not about affordability. The fact that foldable phones still have low adoption in Japan also shaped the thread’s overall tone.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “Ogiyahagi’s Yahagi: iPhone Duo ‘Even the cheapest is 364,800 yen, the 2TB model is 574,800 yen — that’s 1 million yen for a couple’ / ‘Even if I bought it, I couldn’t use it in public’.”