Category: Society

  • Tailgating Video Sparks Debate on 5ch: ‘The Victim Is Also to Blame’ Defense Divides Users

    When videos of aggressive tailgating circulate online, some comments defend the offender by claiming “the person being tailgated is partly to blame too.” In a thread on 5ch’s “Live News (Anything Goes)” board, users clashed over why this kind of defense keeps popping up. The discussion tangled together criticism of the dangerous driving itself with gripes about slow drivers and sudden lane changes that provoke road rage in the first place.

    (。´・ω・)?

    Source: youtube.com / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:35
    It's fun watching everyone get riled up and fire back
    5AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:36
    Re: #3
    So this is what the mindset of a 'NanG' (regular of 5ch's Anything Goes board) looks like
    89AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:16
    Re: #3
    They just want attention. Same with the guys posting inflammatory replies — anyone playing devil's advocate for zero money is just lonely
    8AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:38
    An average Joe who wants to believe 'I'm capable of seeing nuance too — my perspective is above you people who only bash the obviously guilty party'
    11AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:40
    Re: #8
    At the end of the day it's just a binary — the other guy's either at fault or not — so it's not even that deep a perspective
    13AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:41
    Re: #8
    That's a brutal case of needing validation
    22AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:46
    No matter how someone's driving, it's never a reason to tailgate them
    But for some reason those guys think it's a driver's duty to air their grievances, lecture people, and set them straight
    29AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:49
    Re: #22
    Aren't you doing the exact same thing right now, though
    24AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    The people who get tailgated are usually either road-rage types who lose it or painfully slow drivers
    And out of the tens of thousands of cars on the road, if a tailgater bothers to fixate on one specific car, there's usually a reason
    25AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    Ah, the kei-car-with-a-white-plate type (a compact 'light car' — normally has a yellow plate, so a white one stands out)
    34AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:51
    Re: #25
    What's the significance of a kei car having a white plate?
    37AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:52
    Re: #34
    I don't think they mean a white-plate registration — probably a regional 'local pride' plate (gotouchi number), no?
    26AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    You should know that there's such a thing as 'driving that invites tailgating' too
    30AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:49
    If you crawl along in the right lane on the highway, getting tailgated is on you
    I bet those people are slow and do-things-at-their-own-pace in real life too
    33AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:51
    Re: #30
    Just pass them cleanly on the left
    Sure, technically that's not allowed, but it beats stewing in stress forever or tailgating them
    125AnonymousAug 20, 2026 13:00
    Re: #30
    Getting irritated at a slowpoke like that is a waste of energy, just blow past them already
    36AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:52
    Re: #33
    Those types swerve into the left lane the instant you try to move there
    41AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:53
    Re: #36
    And that's the opening bell of the match lol
    43AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:55
    Re: #29
    I don't even bother with idiots who can't tell the difference between driving and everything else
    51AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:57
    Re: #43
    Thanks for the reply
    46AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    Well, with bullying, workplace harassment, crime —
    in most cases there's some cause on the victim's side too
    Not fault, but a cause
    83AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:13
    Re: #46
    Yeah, that's fair

    Not bad, not responsible
    But there's often a cause
    90AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:19
    Re: #46
    Re: #83
    It'd be more accurate to call it a 'trigger for tailgating' than a 'cause of being tailgated'
    49AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    There's an intersection where the light goes red-plus-straight-arrow → green, but the green only lasts about 5 seconds
    If some car crawls through its right turn and only 3 cars manage to get through, I lose it and want to tailgate them
    And of course it's exactly those intersections where it takes forever for the light to turn green again
    54AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:57
    Re: #49
    Are you really in that much of a hurry?
    I just don't get that mindset
    50AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    If they simply required an IQ test and made a college degree the minimum to get a license,
    tailgating and accidents would probably vanish from the world
    55AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:58
    Re: #50
    No way that would actually happen
    57AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:58
    Re: #50
    Guys who naturally assume 'I'm the exception' like this are usually the ones doing the tailgating
    64AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:03
    When someone tailgates me, I let them pass and then tailgate the hell out of them right back
    I go all-in on it to set the world straight and make them regret it
    68AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:07
    Re: #64
    Don't give me some childish excuse like that
    117AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:55
    Tailgater: "Hurry up already, idiot!"
    Tailgated: "No, an ambulance was coming through"
    Tailgater: "Shut up, just ignore it!"

    The logic there is beyond comprehension
    126AnonymousAug 20, 2026 13:01
    Re: #117
    Reality:
    😡 "Hurry up already!"
    🤤 "…(can't hear you)"
    😡 "At least pull over to the side!"
    🤤 "…"
    119AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:56
    Anyone who gets irritated by someone driving around the speed limit has some kind of problem
    If you want to go that fast, buy yourself a private jet
    122AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:58
    Re: #119
    Honestly, there are constantly cars getting caught doing insane speeds

    Background and Key Points

    Japan criminalized tailgating outright in 2020, after a widely covered 2019 incident on the Joban Expressway in which a driver forced a car to stop and the passenger was later fatally beaten by a bystander. The revised Road Traffic Act created a standalone offense, “obstructive driving” (妨害運転罪), covering tailgating, unnecessary sudden braking, and similar acts, with penalties up to three years in prison or a 500,000 yen fine — rising to five years if it causes a dangerous situation on an expressway. This context matters because it reframes the 5ch debate: in Japan this isn’t just etiquette, it’s a specific crime, yet the thread argues about it purely as a moral question.

    What the thread actually splits on is not whether tailgating is wrong — nearly everyone agrees it is — but whether a tailgated driver’s behavior (crawling in the passing lane, blocking a right-turn arrow, driving “at their own pace”) counts as a “cause” (原因) short of “fault” (悪さ). Posters like >>46 and >>83 try to thread that needle, while others (>>90, >>22) insist that framing still functions as an excuse for the tailgater and should be dropped.

    One relevant fact never raised in the thread: on Japanese expressways, lingering in the right-hand (overtaking) lane without passing is itself a separate violation, 通行帯違反, distinct from tailgating. So the “slow right-lane driver” the thread keeps citing as a provocation is often also technically breaking the law — a detail that would complicate the “cause vs. fault” argument but goes unmentioned by any poster.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Anything Goes board) thread “[Seven Mysteries] What’s the deal with the morons who keep defending tailgating videos with ‘the victim’s at fault too’?“

  • Tailgating Videos Spark 5ch Debate: ‘The Victim Was Partly to Blame Too’

    Videos of aggressive tailgating sometimes draw comments defending the driver with lines like “the person being tailgated is partly to blame too.” In a thread on 5ch’s “Whatever Live G” board, participants clashed over why such defenses keep cropping up, in a discussion that tangled together criticism of the aggressive driving itself with gripes about slow drivers and sudden lane changes.

    (。´・ω・)?

    Source: youtube.com / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:35
    It's fun watching everyone get riled up and fire back arguments
    5AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:36
    Re: #3
    Is this seriously how nanG posters think?
    89AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:16
    Re: #3
    They just want attention — same as the guys posting inflammatory replies. Anyone taking the contrarian stance for zero payoff is just lonely.
    8AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:38
    An average Joe who wants to believe 'I can see that angle too — my perspective is different from you people who only bash the obviously guilty party.'
    11AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:40
    Re: #8
    In the end it's just a binary — the other guy's either at fault or not — so it's not even that deep a take.
    13AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:41
    Re: #8
    That's some serious approval-seeking.
    22AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:46
    No matter how someone else drives, that's never an excuse to tailgate them. But for some reason those guys think airing their feelings, lecturing people, and 'setting them straight' is a driver's sacred duty.
    29AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:49
    Re: #22
    You're tailgating too, you know.
    24AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    The people who get tailgated are usually either road-rage types themselves or crawling along at a snail's pace. Out of the tens of thousands of cars passing by, if someone singles you out to stick to your bumper, there's usually a reason.
    25AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    Ah, the kei car with a white plate type.
    34AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:51
    Re: #25
    What's the significance of a kei car with a white plate?
    37AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:52
    Re: #34
    I think they mean a regional custom plate, not a white-plate registration.
    26AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:47
    You should know that 'bait driving' that provokes tailgating exists too.
    30AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:49
    If you crawl along in the right lane on the highway, getting tailgated is on you. I bet that type does everything at their own slow pace in real life too.
    33AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:51
    Re: #30
    Just pass them cleanly on the left. Obviously that's technically not allowed, but it beats stewing in endless stress or tailgating them.
    125AnonymousAug 20, 2026 13:00
    Re: #30
    Getting worked up over a slowpoke like that is a waste of energy — just blow past them already.
    36AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:52
    Re: #33
    Those types swerve into the left lane the instant you try to pass on the left.
    41AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:53
    Re: #36
    And there's the opening bell lol
    43AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:55
    Re: #29
    I'm not wasting my time on idiots who can't tell driving apart from everything else.
    51AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:57
    Re: #43
    Thanks for the reply.
    46AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    Well, with bullying, workplace harassment, crime — in most cases there's some cause on the victim's side too. Not that they're responsible for it, though.
    83AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:13
    Re: #46
    Yeah, fair enough.

    Not at fault, not responsible — but there's often still a cause.
    90AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:19
    Re: #46 Re: #83
    It'd be more accurate to call it a 'trigger for tailgating' than a 'cause of being tailgated.'
    49AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    There's an intersection where the light goes red-plus-straight-arrow, then green, but the green only lasts about 5 seconds. When some car crawls through the turn and only about 3 cars manage to turn right, it makes me want to lose it and tailgate them. And of course it's always that kind of intersection where it takes forever for the light to turn green again.
    54AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:57
    Re: #49
    Are you really in that much of a hurry? I just don't get that mindset.
    50AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:56
    If they just required an IQ test and made a college degree the minimum to get a license, tailgating and accidents would probably vanish from the face of the earth.
    55AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:58
    Re: #50
    No way that'd happen.
    57AnonymousAug 20, 2026 11:58
    Re: #50
    Guys who naturally assume 'I'm the exception' like this one are usually the ones doing the tailgating.
    64AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:03
    When someone tailgates me, I let them pass and then tailgate the hell out of them right back. I go all in on it — for the good of society, so they regret it.
    68AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:07
    Re: #64
    Don't give me some childish excuse like that.
    117AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:55
    Tailgater: 'Move it already, idiot!'
    Tailgated: 'There was an ambulance coming through, though.'
    Tailgater: 'Shut up, just ignore it!'

    The logic is completely incomprehensible.
    126AnonymousAug 20, 2026 13:01
    Re: #117
    Reality:
    😡 'Move it already!'
    🤤 '…(can't hear him)'
    😡 'At least pull over to the side!'
    🤤 '…'
    119AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:56
    Getting irritated at someone just driving around the speed limit is basically a sickness at this point. If you want to go that fast, buy yourself a private jet.
    122AnonymousAug 20, 2026 12:58
    Re: #119
    There really are cars that get caught going absolutely insane speeds all the time.

    Background and Key Points

    Videos of aggressive tailgating on Japanese roads circulate widely on YouTube, and the comment sections that form around them are a recognizable genre in themselves — a recurring chorus insisting the tailgated driver “had it coming” for going too slow, hogging the passing lane, or braking suddenly. This matters in a specifically Japanese context because Japan’s highways operate on a strict passing-lane-only norm (the right lane, or the outer lane on multi-lane roads, is meant for overtaking, not cruising), and tailgating (aおり運転, “aori unten”) became a formally criminalized offense in 2020 after a spate of high-profile viral incidents, including a fatal case that made national news. Dashcams are near-universal in Japan precisely because of this culture of documenting road disputes, which is why so much footage exists to argue over in the first place.

    The thread’s actual fault line isn’t “is tailgating okay” — virtually everyone agrees it isn’t — but whether a slow or obstructive driver can be a legitimate “trigger” for someone else’s illegal response without thereby sharing moral responsibility. Posts like #46 and #90 tried to draw a line between “cause” and “fault,” while others (#22, #30) slid between describing why tailgating happens and excusing it, which is exactly the conflation the thread title is mocking.

    What outside readers likely miss is that this argument has real legal stakes in Japan, not just an internet-manners one: since the 2020 law, tailgating carries license revocation and potential criminal penalties regardless of the other driver’s conduct, meaning “the victim was slow” has zero standing as a legal defense even though it dominates the comments as a moral one.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Whatever Live G) thread “[Seven Mysteries] Who Are These Weirdos Who Keep Defending Tailgating Videos With “The Victim Was Bad Too”?”.

  • Kazuhiro Kiyohara Turns 59: Ex-Wife Aki Marks the Day with a Family Photo Cake

    Model Aki shared on Instagram that she celebrated the 59th birthday of her ex-husband, former pro baseball star Kazuhiro Kiyohara, with a cake decorated with family photos. Her caption — “I’ll be by your side for the year leading up to your kanreki (a traditional 60th-birthday milestone in Japan)” — set off a flurry of theories on 5ch (a major Japanese anonymous forum), ranging from “she’s just too embarrassed to explain” to talk of a “fake divorce.” Commenters also weighed in on Kiyohara’s character and on Aki’s current career.

    Kazuhiro Kiyohara’s 59th Birthday… Ex-Wife Aki: “I’ll Be By Your Side for the Year Until Your Kanreki…” — Prepares Cake with Family Photos to Celebrate

    On August 18, 2026, model Aki (57) updated her Instagram Stories to mark her ex-husband Kazuhiro Kiyohara’s 59th birthday, sharing family photos in the process.

    ■ “I’ll Be By Your Side for the Year Until Your Kanreki…”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article

    2AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:11
    What does 'by your side' even mean? Are they remarrying?
    32AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:26
    Re: #2
    I genuinely have no idea.
    Can't even guess.
    123AnonymousAug 20, 2026 23:21
    Re: #2
    They've probably gone full 'just friends.'
    Doesn't work as a married couple, but plenty of exes get along great once they're just friends.
    154AnonymousAug 20, 2026 23:55
    Re: #2
    It was basically a fake divorce all along.
    Guess they've given up hiding it now.
    10AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:14
    Say what you want about Kiyohara, but he's so relatably flawed that people end up loving him anyway.
    15AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:16
    Re: #10
    If you put him on a hero pedestal you'll be seriously let down by his character.
    But if you just think of him as a 'big kid' and watch over him, he somehow comes off endearing.
    55AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:33
    Re: #10
    I'm a bit younger than his generation and I can't stand him.
    Low batting average at Seibu (his first pro team) yet full of himself anyway, then at the Giants he didn't even take the game seriously and put his energy into bullying teammates instead.
    Zero good impressions of the guy from me.
    23AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:22
    What's the actual meaning behind 'until his kanreki,' I wonder.
    53AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:31
    Re: #23
    Isn't it just her covering embarrassment?
    She hasn't remarried anyone either —
    I'd guess out of sheer kindness she'll just stay close to him till the end.
    95AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:53
    Re: #23
    Maybe so.
    But I can't help suspecting something like: their eldest son is set to marry next year, and once that's wrapped up, it's a clean goodbye.
    28AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:25
    She can't get by without Kiyohara's money either, you know.
    34AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:27
    Re: #28
    Why would you say that lol
    Aki's all over TV these days.
    51AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:31
    Re: #28
    If anything, his ex-wife earns more than him now.
    112AnonymousAug 20, 2026 23:08
    Re: #28
    You see her constantly in fashion spreads aimed at middle-aged women — the whole 'Aki wears such-and-such' genre.
    I'd say she's one of the more in-demand models in her age bracket.
    36AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:27
    Didn't she keep the Kiyohara surname even after the divorce?
    They still seem to be in touch too — it's a strange relationship somehow.
    80AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:47
    Re: #36
    That's probably just Aki's sense of loyalty/generosity.
    The kids love Kiyohara too, so I guess this setup feels natural for everyone at this point.
    129AnonymousAug 20, 2026 23:26
    Re: #36
    He was arrested over shabu (Japanese slang for methamphetamine), so I think she wanted the divorce to send the message 'we have nothing to do with Kiyohara.'
    Their kids were enrolled at Keio (a prestigious private school system), so my guess is staying enrolled required the divorce.
    48AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:29
    What a big-hearted ex-wife.
    I wonder if he treated her really well back at the start.
    57AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:33
    Re: #48
    Apparently he had his wife's parents, who needed nursing care, moved in nearby.
    She's said she's grateful she got to care for them with no regrets right up until they passed.
    50AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:31
    159AnonymousAug 21, 2026 00:15
    Re: #50
    For someone in his mid-fifties, that's actually holding up well.
    66AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:38
    In Kiyo's case he's probably dealing with depression too —
    his mental state just isn't stable.
    That's exactly why his ex-wife and the whole family keep an eye on him.
    68AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:39
    Re: #66
    If it's a side effect of antidepressants, that would explain a lot.
    75AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:42
    Re: #66
    I think he's still seeing a doctor for it now —
    heard it straight from Kiyohara himself in some interview.
    81AnonymousAug 20, 2026 22:48

    Background and Key Points

    Kiyohara’s kanreki (still a year off, at 60) is a genuine cultural marker in Japan — a traditional milestone tied to the 60-year sexagenary calendar cycle, when someone is said to return to the astrological sign of their birth year and start a symbolic “second life.” It carries much more social weight than a Western 59th birthday, which is why Aki’s promise to “stay by his side” until that date read as loaded rather than casual. The two divorced years ago amid Kiyohara’s 2016 arrest for methamphetamine possession, a scandal that ended his broadcasting career and public standing after a celebrated career as a Seibu Lions and Yomiuri Giants slugger and national idol. Aki has since rebuilt a career as a fashion model aimed at middle-aged women, while retaining the Kiyohara surname and visible closeness with him and their children.

    The thread didn’t converge on any single reading of “by your side” — some read it as a couple functionally still together despite the paper divorce, some as Aki simply managing public embarrassment on his behalf, others floated a “clean break” theory tied to their eldest son’s upcoming wedding, and a few leaned into pure cynicism about money.

    What’s easy to miss reading this in English is that keeping the Kiyohara name and staying visibly involved after a drug arrest isn’t sentimental inertia — commenters explicitly tied the divorce itself to protecting the children’s enrollment at Keio, an elite private school system where a parent’s scandal can have real consequences. That legal-in-name-only separation, common in Japan for reputation management, is the background that makes “fake divorce” theories plausible rather than just tabloid speculation.

    This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Sports & Entertainment Express+) thread “[Baseball] Kazuhiro Kiyohara’s 59th Birthday… Ex-Wife Aki: ‘I’ll Be By Your Side for the Year Until Your Kanreki…’ — Prepares Cake with Family Photos to Celebrate.”