Category: Baseball

  • Giants Hit 60 Losses on Extra-Inning Walk-Off Loss to Hiroshima — Acting Manager’s Strategy Splits Fans

    In the September 22, 2026 game between Hiroshima and the Yomiuri Giants, Hiroshima won on a walk-off hit by Katsuta with one out and the bases loaded in the bottom of the 11th, denying the Giants a fourth straight win and handing them their 60th loss of the season. Starter Togo battled through five innings allowing just one run, but after Izumiguchi, Dalbec, and Oshiro strung together three straight hits in the 7th to tie the game, Sakamoto, pinch-hitter Maru, and Sasahara all failed to come through in the very next at-bats, and the Giants couldn’t retake the lead. Afterward, acting manager Hashigami admitted his frustration, saying, “We needed to turn it around in that inning.” On 5ch, opinions split between fans who questioned the decision not to call for a sacrifice bunt in that spot, and defenders who argued he’s “doing well for someone just filling in.” The same day also saw chatter about other ballparks, including Nakajima Takuya’s tearful infield single in his Nippon-Ham retirement game.

    1AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:25
    Previous thread
    Giants Acting Manager 147
    4AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:26
    [Hiroshima] Fresh start with a walk-off win over the Giants! Third straight losing season already locked in. Katsuta delivers the dramatic hit from a bases-loaded, one-out situation in the 11th. Tamamura goes into the 7th allowing 1 run. Five relievers combine for no runs.
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/34d7e2eeebc6d1715e7a2ba6e50532c97eaba2a6

    [Giants] Nightmare walk-off loss ends bid for 4 straight wins… hit 60 losses. Akahoshi surrenders the heartbreaking hit to Katsuta. Three straight hits off Izumiguchi tie it in the 7th. Funasako escapes a bases-loaded, two-out jam. Togo goes 5 innings, 1 run allowed.
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/31092f722135a0f2ebcf3b528bec4083ff2c5a05
    5AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:26
    It'll probably be Yoshinobu Takahashi.
    Unlike last time when he clearly didn't want the job, he seems weirdly fired up this time.
    Hitting coach Matsui will come with him.
    Probably Masaki Saito and Shinichi Murata too.
    6AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:26
    Tanaka's got real presence.
    He's like a mini Murakami.
    8AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:27
    Jingu gives up a homer at Jingu, lmaooo (wordplay on the pitcher's name matching Jingu Stadium)
    9AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:27
    Tanaka: 2 homers in 63 at-bats
    Ishizuka: 0 homers in 111 at-bats

    Come on Ishizuka, give us something.
    10AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:27
    2319 panics, pulls the starter too early, and loses lol
    12AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:28
    Still a chance! Go Yakult!
    13AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:28
    Kyuji (Fujikawa) is bungling the bullpen management again, so there's still a chance lol
    16AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:28
    Giants acting manager Hashigami: "We needed to turn it around in that inning" — laments the missed chance right after tying the game. First game of a 4-game set sees 8 pitchers used in a gutting loss: "We need to refocus."

    Acting manager Hashigami reflected on the 7th-inning at-bat with the score 0-1: "The gist of it was that we really needed to turn things around in that inning. Unfortunately, we only managed to tie it, and that's the disappointing part."

    Hiroshima starter Tamamura had held the Giants to just two hits through the 6th, but the heart of the order — Izumiguchi, Dalbec, and Oshiro — strung together three straight hits to tie the game.

    That knocked Tamamura out of the game. With a real shot at taking the lead, Sakamoto, pinch-hitter Maru, and Sasahara all made outs against reliever Turnock. Hashigami looked back on it: "I didn't expect us to score easily. But the momentum was there — we'd just tied it that inning, and it felt like we had a shot to go ahead. Unfortunately, the momentum seemed to stall right there."
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/cd2689c9ab8cdabb49e7b602d7f9aea28958d2fd
    18AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:29
    Re: #16
    Later, I'm busy with Jingu right now
    24AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:31
    Re: #16
    To sum up: it's on Sakamoto, Maru, and Sasahara for not getting the go-ahead hit.
    41AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:40
    Re: #16
    That comment sounds like he's talking about someone else's team.
    There was plenty he could've done strategically.
    20AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:29
    TAMIYA IS HEEERE━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!! (classic 2ch hype expression, lit. "it's here!!")
    23AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:30
    Can Nippon-Ham come back from 0-5 in Nakajima Takuya's retirement game lol
    27AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:31
    They should've had Sakamoto bunt right there.
    No way he was coming through that many times.
    31AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:34
    Nakajima Takuya infield single, HERE IT COMES━━━━(゚∀゚)━━━━!!
    32AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:34
    Thought it was over at 4-0, but it's 6-4 now — there's still a game left in this one
    33AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:35
    Today's the day to cheer for Yakult while crying
    34AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:35
    Sprinting all-out for an infield single in your retirement game, that's classy lol
    38AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:39
    Is this the chance-theme song? This one's cool too ("chante" = walk-up music played during a scoring chance)
    40AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:40
    You've gotta shut down guys like Omori, Tatsumi, and Nahara easily — that loss is on you.
    Why are you getting flustered by these guys?
    47AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:43
    No point getting your hopes up.
    Yakult's gonna lose anyway.
    48AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:43
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSz17OBbIAAzVEk.jpg
    49AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:44
    Won't Hashigami just quit on his own once the season's over, without even waiting for the Climax Series?
    He's already got that "please, no more" look on his face.
    He's only filling in reluctantly because of Abe in the first place — getting hammered like this, it's no wonder he'd feel like he can't take it anymore.
    50AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:44
    The 3rd-generation Nissan Leaf debuts as the bullpen car! (a pun: "Leaf" and "relief" sound alike in Japanese)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQrp2YeapKU
    51AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:45
    Hashigami doesn't really need to win the pennant, so it is what it is.
    Still, I think he's done well for an acting manager.
    52AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:45
    I think it was 7 years ago against the BayStars — late in a game with a 1-run lead, they had Sakamoto bunt even though he already had 35 home runs at that point (it worked out in the end with a Maru sac fly and an Okamoto solo shot).

    I don't remember much criticism about that at the time (maybe I just missed it), but if you had a hitter like that bunt today, it'd be a firestorm of criticism.
    54AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:46
    [Nippon-Ham] Retirement game: Nakajima Takuya cries at the plate — grinds out an infield single on his third at-bat with a runner on second and no outs, Es Con Field roars
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8d4274464cb43f0eb55fc6f093ec3fe02e3329dd
    57AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:47
    If Sakamoto had bunted, they might've just intentionally walked pinch-hitter Maru.
    58AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:47
    I think Hashigami's done well to get this far.
    The "Giants Acting Manager" title should serve him well going forward too.
    59AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:47
    Anyway, Shibata really does look like Ohtani lol
    61AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:48
    If only Sakamoto's at-bat had come around while pitcher Endo was still in
    62AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:48
    The acting manager's genuinely doing well.
    If "Unagi" (nickname, lit. "eel") were in charge, going .500 would've been considered good, honestly.
    66AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:49
    [Hanshin] Manager Fujikawa's painful gambit — pulls pitcher Ito Masashi right after sending him up to bat, a move made with a close game in mind?
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/037b7e930ce45a8a892deb0f2c3fea7fc3935f46
    68AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:53
    Tokai Radio commentator Tsutomu Wakamatsu
    Praises Encarnacion for changing the team
    69AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:53
    82AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:58
    Yokohama Stadium

    ZOZO Marine Stadium

    Es Con Field
    86AnonymousSep 22, 2026 19:59
    Sounds like it'll be Yoshinobu Takahashi next year though
    89AnonymousSep 22, 2026 20:01
    Re: #86
    If that's the case, it'd be fun if Hiroshima brought back Ogata too.
    He'd probably want to wipe out the disgrace from his last stint.

    Background and Points of Debate

    With this loss, the Giants reached 60 losses on the season, and as noted in comment #4, the result against Hiroshima also locked in a third straight losing (B-Class) finish. The man at the helm, Hiroshi Hashigami, is serving as “acting manager” in place of manager Shinnosuke Abe, and opinions in the thread split over his in-game decisions. Some questioned why he let his hitters swing away instead of calling for a sacrifice bunt in the at-bat right after the team tied the game in the 7th, while others argued that “for someone just filling in, he’s done more than enough” — making this more than a simple case of second-guessing a bad call. The fact that his post-game comments sidestepped direct discussion of the strategy itself also seems to have fed some of the frustration. True to the flavor of this kind of live-discussion thread, chatter about other ballparks — including Nakajima Takuya’s retirement game and the Nippon-Ham game — wove through the same thread that day as well.

    Note: This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Giants Acting Manager 148.”

  • Giants Battle Back to Tie Hiroshima in the 7th — Bullpen Moves Spark Debate

    On September 22, 2026, the Giants-Hiroshima game at Mazda Stadium got off to a rough start for the Giants. In the 5ch live-thread, when reliever Funasako — who took over from starter Togo — struggled with his control and kept giving up runs, fans piled on with calls for a pitching change, like “just walk him” and “change the pitcher already, lol.” When the Giants finally tied it up in the 7th, comments of “tied it up!” brought a brief moment of calm, but debate over managerial decisions — including whether Sakamoto should have been asked to bunt — continued on.

    1AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:27
    Previous thread
    Giants Acting Manager Thread 146
    3AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:28
    Mazda Stadium
    Starting Lineups
    【Giants】  【Hiroshima】
    8 Matsumoto     7 Sato K.
    4 Yoshikawa   4 Kikuchi
    6 Izumiguchi    8 Nakamura S.
    3 Darbeck 3 Sakakura
    2 Ohshiro     5 Sasaki
    5 Sakamoto    9 Suekasa
    7 Suzuki D.    2 Ishihara
    9 Sasahara     6 Katsuta
    1 Togo     1 Tamamura
    4AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:36
    If our boys don't tie it up in the 7th, we lose 98% of the time lol
    143AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:07
    Re: #4
    Tied it up!
    19AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:46
    Suekasa's been benched forever — if he gets a hit here I'll be shook lol
    20AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:47
    Just walk this guy too, change the pitcher already lol
    21AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:47
    22AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:48
    He can't throw a strike anymore, he's gonna groove one right down the middle lol
    31AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:50
    Maybe they should've just left Togo in after all…
    35AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:50
    All he did was set up a save chance for the fireman (reliever who comes in to put out the fire) lol
    38AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:52
    The 'Fireman King' race between Horita and Funasako is fierce too (a joking title for the reliever who bails out the most messes)
    41AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:52
    Once Funasako falls behind in the count he just grooves it right down the middle lol
    42AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:52
    Trying to win with starter Togo and reliever Norimoto is a stretch
    That's not what a team in a pennant race should be doing
    46AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:53
    At this rate they might as well have started with Funasako from the beginning
    60AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:55
    Their season's hanging by a thread this year
    61AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:55
    Giants fans are losing it because they won't send in a pinch hitter lol
    63AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:55
    No point holding them scoreless if we don't score either
    64AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:55
    This is the Fireman King right here lol
    65AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:56
    So, did you know that if they don't tie it up this inning, it's over? lolol
    66AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:56
    Guess they didn't want to break up the battery with Tamamura?
    67AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:57
    If we're gonna lose this embarrassingly to a zombie team, might as well let Hanshin take the pennant
    68AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:57
    He's literally only throwing low-and-away the whole time lol
    74AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:58
    Just got here, but seeing it's the 7th and already the 3rd time through the order starting from the 3-hole, I get the picture
    75AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:58
    Funasako's drinking Rihga Royal Hotel water — I can tell because I drink it on business trips too
    77AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:58
    Rare for them to carry momentum from defense into offense
    78AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:58
    A Darbeck homer
    leading to a comeback win

    — baseball's not gonna be that easy
    82AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:59
    Tamamura's a pitcher who gets shaky the third time through the order
    83AnonymousSep 22, 2026 16:59
    If his stuff's too slow to time, or if you just sit fastball, you can go deep
    90AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:00
    Honestly, a bunt would be reasonable here
    91AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:00
    That last swing looked like he was just trying to make contact, not go for a homer
    93AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:00
    This is what happens when you don't pinch hit for Ishihara lol
    95AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:01
    He's the strikeout king, but keep hitting like this and he'll get a contract next season too lol
    97AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:02
    No way you bunt with the traditional cleanup hitter, come on lol
    134AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:06
    They clearly think bunting is the smart play since they keep calling for it, so I don't get why they won't make Sakamoto do it
    142AnonymousSep 22, 2026 17:07
    Re: #134
    Under Hara, there were times he had Sakamoto bunt even during his 40-homer season

    Context and Talking Points

    At the time this thread was posted on September 22, the Central League pennant race was in its final stretch, with Hanshin running away with the title and the Giants fighting Hiroshima, DeNA, and others for second place and below. As the material linked in post 6 shows, with Hanshin’s magic number closing in, a win over Hiroshima was directly tied to the Giants’ standing in the race. The thread split over two points of debate: whether it was right to pull starter Togo early and hand the game to the bullpen, and whether Sakamoto should have been made to bunt in the traditionally sacrosanct cleanup spot. Note that the live-thread excerpts quoted here only run through the Giants tying the game in the 7th — the final result of the game is not included in this excerpt.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Giants Acting Manager Thread 147.”

  • Chunichi Headed for 6th Straight Losing Season, Yet Drawing Record Crowds — Manager Inoue’s Future: ‘Nothing Particular to Say’

    The Chunichi Dragons cruised to a 10-0 win over the Hiroshima Carp at Vantelin Dome on the 21st, but the team under manager Kazuki Inoue (55), now in his second year at the helm, is all but certain to finish in the bottom half of the standings (B Class) for a sixth straight season. Asked after the game about the manager’s future, team president Kato offered only: “I don’t have anything particular to say.” Meanwhile, home attendance has hit an all-time record, and on 5channel users debated the reasons behind the “packed stands despite a weak team” phenomenon and the club’s management philosophy.

    [Chunichi] Asked About Manager Inoue’s Future, Team President Kato Answers “Nothing Particular to Say” — Home Attendance Hits All-Time High

    <Chunichi 10-0 Hiroshima> ◇21st◇ Vantelin Dome

    Chunichi manager Kazuki Inoue (55) apologized to the sold-out crowd of Dragons faithful. Now in his second straight year in charge, the team has landed in B Class for six consecutive seasons.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:29
    Wild to realize they were actually in A Class just 7 years ago
    10AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:40
    Re: #3
    Actually that was 2020, but the season got shortened because of COVID.
    If you mean a proper full-length season, 2012 was the last time…
    67AnonymousSep 22, 2026 03:04
    Re: #3
    If they'd been in B Class that year too, the Dragons would be sitting on 14 straight B Class seasons (2013-2026) — enough to eventually pass the Hawks' 20-year B Class streak (1978-1997)?

    Dragons
    https://npb.jp/bis/teams/yearly_d.html
    Hawks
    https://npb.jp/bis/teams/yearly_h.html
    4AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:30
    Honestly, as long as they play baseball that draws a crowd, the standings don't matter
    174AnonymousSep 22, 2026 09:28
    Re: #4
    More precisely, they're better off not winning it all, not spending any money, just pulling in crowds to plug the losses from the parent company's garbage core newspaper business ("masu-gomi," slang blending "mass media" and "garbage")
    223AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:46
    Re: #4
    It's been half a century since a Hanshin executive told pitcher Yutaka Enatsu "you don't need to win," and yet that same mentality still hasn't gone away.
    Like Re: #174 says, the team is just a nice little property for absorbing the parent company's losses — management would probably love to drive fans away and push the club into the red, but the diehards won't allow that.
    I root for a team with a similarly run business model, so I know this dilemma well.
    7AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:35
    A weak team that still draws a crowd is the best possible outcome for management!
    They don't have to raise player salaries.
    From the owner's point of view, Inoue's staying on as manager.
    14AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:45
    Re: #7
    Chunichi Dragons
    Financial results: undisclosed lololol

    Wonder why lol
    17AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:47
    Re: #7
    So the manager's job is basically to be a clown, huh?
    In that case, aren't there plenty of guys better suited to it than Inoue?
    8AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:35
    Ironic that they're drawing bigger crowds now than during the Ochiai era, when Chunichi kept winning
    12AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:44
    Re: #8
    That's just about how many free tickets they hand out, so it doesn't really mean anything
    187AnonymousSep 22, 2026 10:11
    Re: #8
    Actually, right up until Inoue took over — and this includes the Tatsunami era too, of course — attendance stayed well below even Ochiai's final year, which was supposedly a bad year for crowds (the stretch from the Lehman Shock into the earthquake). It's only under Inoue that they finally topped that number.
    24AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:53
    How does a weak team still pull in crowds like this?
    Maybe the stadium food is just really good?
    25AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:53
    Re: #24
    Is there any answer besides free tickets?
    27AnonymousSep 22, 2026 00:56
    Losing's fine as long as it's fun.
    Even when they're mad, deep down they're enjoying themselves.
    There's a long bank of memories from the old strong days to draw on, so they're still okay.
    Aichi's economy is doing well enough to afford that kind of indulgence too.
    Even the front office is probably thinking "guess we're fine like this, weak is okay too" (using the local Nagoya dialect endings "-dara" and "-zura") — a happy sort of shriek.
    38AnonymousSep 22, 2026 01:10
    Re: #27
    During the Ochiai era, when the team was strong but attendance was supposedly poor, how was he viewed among Nagoya locals? Negatively? Positively?
    56AnonymousSep 22, 2026 01:43
    I'm from Kansai, but Chunichi's got great fans — they're my second team after Hanshin.
    Hoping they can at least climb up to 4th place.
    64AnonymousSep 22, 2026 02:58
    Re: #56
    Do you like the Kansai-based branch of Dragons fans too?
    59AnonymousSep 22, 2026 02:12
    Is the reason people keep coming the hospitality at the ballpark?
    62AnonymousSep 22, 2026 02:25
    Re: #59
    Saw this in a news report — apparently you can't even get idol concert tickets these days.
    Going to the ballpark and cheering for your favorite player like they're an idol seems to be the appeal.

    Other stadiums also do things like player-themed bento boxes, drinks, and merch, so I'd guess they're doing a solid job of hooking that kind of fandom.
    237AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:17
    Re: #59
    No it's not. It's actually a stadium where the baseball is hard to see.
    66AnonymousSep 22, 2026 03:03
    Well, if it's just because they're a meme this year, attendance is up now, but I think by next year it'll turn into pure mockery.

    No matter how you slice it, getting overtaken late in games over and over just means the manager's in-game decisions are failing.
    80AnonymousSep 22, 2026 04:49
    Re: #66
    Finally, someone with a sensible take.
    74AnonymousSep 22, 2026 03:43
    Now that the Climax Series exists, what do you even call 4th/5th/6th place?

    Am I right that "B Class" just means "didn't finish in the top 3," not "finished last"?
    75AnonymousSep 22, 2026 03:46
    Re: #74
    A Class is 1st through 3rd place.
    B Class is any team that didn't make the top 3.
    77AnonymousSep 22, 2026 03:51
    Since the team's weak, it's easy to grab a starting spot — sounds like it'd be popular with rookies
    100AnonymousSep 22, 2026 06:39
    Re: #77
    Actually, they've got a pretty solid roster. The pitching staff especially is really good.
    92AnonymousSep 22, 2026 06:09
    The Hawks disclose their finances properly.
    Chunichi hides theirs.
    171AnonymousSep 22, 2026 09:22
    Re: #92
    If that's the case, they couldn't even pull off a salary cap.
    107AnonymousSep 22, 2026 06:53
    Watching how they've played this year, they'll be B Class again next year too.
    Short of something drastic like the club getting sold off if they don't win the pennant next year, nothing's going to wake this organization up.
    The whole thing just reeks of a complacent, lukewarm culture.
    114AnonymousSep 22, 2026 07:00
    Re: #107
    Might as well go full Colorado Rockies — America's version of a joke franchise.
    123AnonymousSep 22, 2026 07:14
    Re: #107
    Can't picture them finishing above Hanshin, Yomiuri, or Yokohama.
    199AnonymousSep 22, 2026 10:30
    Re: #1
    The first name that comes to mind is Hosokawa, a guy who came over from another team — there's no real star player, yet the place still sells out. Pretty impressive.
    201AnonymousSep 22, 2026 10:33
    Re: #199
    Even low-key Chunichi players are hugely popular locally.
    Sobae gets treated like a big-name alum and is constantly in demand by the media.
    204AnonymousSep 22, 2026 10:35
    Re: #201
    Sobae's fairly good-looking and a smooth talker, so he's probably easy for the media to use.
    206AnonymousSep 22, 2026 10:36
    Re: #201
    Then I guess a low-key Meikyukai (elite career-record club) member like Yohei Oshima must get treated like an absolute superstar, lol
    217AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:34
    Honestly, with Manager Yano they'd be A Class — he even develops new talent.
    Then bring in Ochiai after that and you'd have a golden era for a while.
    But the owner isn't looking for any of that, lol
    222AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:43
    Re: #217
    Ochiai's up there in age now and his body's worn down, so that's not happening.
    228AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:54
    Re: #222
    Well, judging by what Ochiai's son Fukushi has said, even if he's in good health he probably just isn't motivated.
    230AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:58
    Re: #222
    He was too busy squealing with excitement over Gundam GQuuuuuuX to make a comeback now.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    Chunichi last finished in true A Class (top 3) in 2012, and this season is on track to be their sixth consecutive year in B Class. At the same time, home attendance has surpassed even the level seen during the strong Hiromitsu Ochiai managerial era, setting a new all-time record. Around this unusual situation — a weak team that still draws crowds — the thread split between those who see it as simply convenient for management and those who credit individual players’ popularity and strong fan-service efforts. The fact that Chunichi doesn’t disclose its financial results, making the club’s actual management situation hard to see from outside, also fed into the discussion. Team president Kato’s answer of “nothing particular to say” could be read as hinting Inoue will stay on, but it wasn’t a clear statement either way, and the manager’s future remains undecided for now.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary from the 5channel (Geisports Sokuho+) thread “[Baseball] Chunichi: Asked About Manager Inoue’s Future, Team President Kato Answers “Nothing Particular to Say” — Sixth Straight B Class, Home Attendance at All-Time High.”

  • Hiroshima’s Arai to Stay On as Manager Despite Third Straight Losing Season

    It emerged on September 22, 2026 that Hiroshima Toyo Carp manager Takahiro Arai (49) will continue leading the team next season. His fourth year in charge opened in chaos in January, when infielder Ryutaro Hazuki was arrested for using the designated drug known as “zombie tobacco,” and things spiraled from there. Arai reportedly told the club he wanted to resign three separate times during the season, but ultimately agreed to stay on after Owner Matsuda and other club executives talked him out of it. With the team having just finished a third straight losing (B-Class) season, reactions on 5ch split between sympathy — “nobody else wants the job, so fans should be grateful” — and criticism of both the timing of the announcement and the front office’s leadership.

    [Hiroshima] Manager Takahiro Arai to stay on — told the club he wanted to quit three times during the season… A turbulent year shaped by the “zombie tobacco” scandal. Entering his fifth year, he aims for a fundamental rebuild backed by strong internal trust.

    It was learned on the 22nd that Hiroshima manager Takahiro Arai (49) will remain in charge next season. On January 27, Ryutaro Hazuki was arrested for violating the Pharmaceutical and Medical Device Act after using a designated drug commonly known as “zombie tobacco.” His turbulent fourth season, which opened with that off-field turmoil, ended with the team sinking to a third consecutive losing finish. The manager told the club he wanted to resign three times during the season, but Owner Matsuda and other club executives persuaded him to stay. After much deliberation, he ultimately decided to keep managing the team.

    As the man leading the team, he felt the weight of responsibility keenly. His first attempt to step down came in early February, right after Hazuki’s arrest, just as camp was getting underway. Then in May, criticism of the club intensified further after Hazuki revealed that six people, including himself, had purchased “zombie” tobacco. In late May, Arai told the club, “If this controversy grows any bigger…” He then visited the owner in person around mid-June and conveyed his wish to resign face-to-face. But precisely because of the strong trust he commands, he was asked to help pull the team out of its slump — and he himself resolved to see it through.

    Source: hochi.news / Original article here

    3AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:06
    So the suffering just keeps going, huh…
    6AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:06
    6th place would be a medal finish at the Olympics.

    Not bad at all lol
    9AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    The owner apparently said he wants "lively, energetic baseball"? But the environment doesn't even allow for that — that's exactly why Arai pleaded to quit three times.
    Guess we're headed for dead last next year.
    10AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    Owner: "How about 100 million yen a year?"
    Arai: "Let's do it."
    11AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    Wait, Hiroshima's actually getting a next season? lol
    13AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    The weaker the better — come join Team Nagoya (the Chunichi Dragons)!
    15AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    Well of course nobody wants the job at a time like this.
    Carp fans should be thanking Arai.
    16AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    Seriously consider kicking this joke of a franchise out of NPB.
    For starters, swap them out for an independent-league team.
    18AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:07
    That's not gonna happen, is it?
    At the very least they need to overhaul the coaching staff.
    19AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:08
    HERE IT COMES━━━━(°∀°)━━━━!!
    21AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:08
    Nobody else wanted it, so it probably just got forced on him.
    22AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:08
    If they'd finished last, they'd have been swarmed with "Resign!" chants, so they announced he's staying before last place was mathematically confirmed.
    This club really plays dirty.
    24AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:08
    Well, nobody else wants the job lol
    Figured as much.
    26AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:08
    Who was the greatest manager Hiroshima ever had?
    95AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:18
    Re: #26
    If we're only talking recent years, Ogata.
    Though really it's the foundation Nomura built that gets the credit.
    27AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:09
    Well, obviously nobody's going to take this job. Deranged fans were spouting wishlists like "Nomu-ken would be great" or whoever, but anyone with a sane head on their shoulders wouldn't touch this team.
    28AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:09
    Honestly, things aren't going to dramatically improve under Arai from here on out.
    30AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:09
    It's a waste of salary — go find a championship-caliber manager instead.
    31AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:09
    I thought maybe Kenjiro was coming back now that he'd retired from commentary work.
    35AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:10
    If Arai's staying on, then purge everyone under suspicion, full stop.
    36AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:10
    A rare case where a manager stays on through a slump and still gets everyone's sympathy.
    40AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:10
    Seriously, I feel like it has to be someone from the Showa-era Carp, like Takahashi Yoshihiko, who actually understands this team.
    The Carp used to be a bunch of guys who were only good at hard practice, but they've gotten so flashy and sloppy now it's unbearable to watch.
    Is Takahashi Yoshihiko about the only one left from that era?
    53AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:12
    Re: #40
    For starters, why not call in Yoshihiko and Tatsukawa and get them fighting again — wouldn't that boost attendance?
    62AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:13
    Re: #40
    Call in Mame too.
    41AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:10
    Nobody wants the job, so they must have thrown a serious pile of money at him.
    42AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:11
    Looks like we're headed for the first three-straight-last-place finish since Koba back in the '70s.
    43AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:11
    He looks like he's about to keel over but he's staying on anyway?
    If he'd firmly refused, surely he could've gotten out of it — do they have a hostage or something?
    46AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:11
    Feels like changing the manager wouldn't even matter at this point.
    Same as the Dragons — the front office itself is rotten.
    51AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:12
    Re: #46
    Don't lump us in with them — the Dragons' team atmosphere is actually great.
    52AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:12
    Well, of course nobody wants the job.
    87AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:17
    If it's Arai, the guys doing drugs probably don't respect him at all.
    It's not really his fault, but it feels like he's at least somewhat part of the cause.
    101AnonymousSep 22, 2026 13:19
    Re: #87
    Bunshun reported that inside the team, there's a hazing "prank" where they burn each other with cigarettes and call it a "goma-gyo" (mocking a Buddhist fire ritual), with the person getting burned saying "that hurts."
    If that's true, he's being completely disrespected.

    Background and key points of the discussion

    As a player, Takahiro Arai helped both the Hanshin Tigers and the Hiroshima Carp win league titles, and he has managed the Carp since 2023, now in his fourth year. This season was repeatedly rocked by off-field scandal: infielder Ryutaro Hazuki was arrested in January for using the designated drug “zombie tobacco,” and in May it came out that several more players had also purchased it. Arai reportedly felt responsible each time and told the club he wanted to resign three times over the course of the season, but ultimately stayed on after Owner Matsuda and other executives talked him out of it. Reaction on 5ch to the news that he’s staying despite a third straight losing season was split — some expressed sympathy that he “took on a job nobody else wanted,” while others criticized the front office, arguing that announcing it before last place was mathematically confirmed was a cynical move. Many commenters also pointed out how hard it would be for the club to find a replacement, suggesting the thread’s underlying frustration lies less with Arai personally than with the club’s management as a whole.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[Baseball] Hiroshima’s Manager Takahiro Arai to Stay On Next Season.”

  • Carp Manager Takahiro Arai Offered to Resign Three Times This Season — Rejected Every Time, Will Return Next Year

    It has come to light that Hiroshima Toyo Carp manager Takahiro Arai conveyed his intention to resign to the club three separate times over the course of this season. The club reportedly rejected each request and plans to keep him on for a fourth year at the helm next season. The decision comes at the end of a year dominated by fallout from player misconduct, including the so-called ‘zombie cigarette’ scandal. With the team mired in last place yet its manager apparently unable to quit, 5ch commenters piled on with theories about the club’s culture and past precedents, from ‘maybe there’s just nobody willing to take over’ to ‘they did the same thing to former manager Nomura — he wanted out too and got stuck there for five years.’

    [Hiroshima] Manager Takahiro Arai to Return — Offered to Resign Three Times During the Season Amid Turbulent ‘Zombie Cigarette’ Scandal; Aims for Fundamental Rebuild with Strong Leadership in Year Five

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:47
    They probably just can't find a replacement.
    Nobody wants the job anyway.
    7AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:47
    A manager in last place who's tried to quit gets forced to stay on — that's unheard of.
    18AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:49
    Re: #7
    I could get it in year one or two, but this is year four — that's genuinely abnormal.
    It's like refusing to let (Chunichi Dragons manager) Tatsunami go.
    31AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    Re: #7
    'Nomuken' tried to quit in year one too, but got told 'are you running away?' and ended up stuck there for five years.
    This isn't some new phenomenon. (Nomuken = nickname for former Carp manager Kenjiro Nomura)
    11AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:48
    Honestly, someone just buy this team already.
    Being stuck in old-school regional cronyism and throwing the whole Central League out of step isn't a joke — it's doing serious damage to the sport as a whole.
    Use this chance to just disappear.
    21AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:50
    Re: #11
    If anything, isn't baseball going the other way right now — the old model of big-name-corporation-owned national teams is what's outdated, and everyone's saying the future is local roots?
    13AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:48
    Arai once said: 'This suffering will go on.'

    Turns out he was talking about himself.
    If this were a manga, that twist would get rave reviews.
    15AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:49
    Arai actually planned to step down cleanly last offseason, but the front office desperately talked him out of it lol
    17AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:49
    So basically nobody else will do it.
    Who'd want to manage a weak, badly-behaved trash team anyway.
    22AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:50
    Nobody would take the Carp manager job even if you begged them.
    Not even (former Carp manager) Tatsukawa would touch it.
    24AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:51
    He's responsible for not catching the zombie cigarette thing and the cigarette-burn hazing.
    Of course he has to stay.
    Quit whining.
    40AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:53
    Re: #24
    The zombie cigarette thing, there's not much he could've done about.
    But the cigarette-burn hazing — that had a code name, 'goma-gyo' (a Buddhist fire ritual) — so yeah, he's very much on the hook for that one.
    26AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    This is basically torture at this point.
    Is this payback for Arai leaving via free agency back in the day?
    27AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    At least let him keep 'Nii-nii' by his side.
    28AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    The suffering just keeps going
    Oooon and oooon and oooon
    29AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    You can't just quit when you've still got time left on your contract.
    Think of yourself as the cleanup crew and grit your teeth.
    33AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:52
    If Arai ends up depressed over this, how's the club going to take responsibility?
    34AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:53
    They'll probably draft his son this year just to make sure he can't leave.
    37AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:53
    Back in his playing days people joked and called him 'Mr. Tough Times' — but he looks like he's having the toughest time of his life right now.
    38AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:53
    The guy said he wanted to quit three times, and they're making him do another season anyway.
    That's just cruel.
    39AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:53
    He's definitely in for an even worse time next season than anyone can imagine.
    44AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:54
    Arai's going to carry it all on his shoulders and become part of Carp history.
    45AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:54
    What do you mean 'rejected'?
    Guess all he can do now is stage a boycott or throw a free-agency punch 👊
    47AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:54
    So much for that fire ritual actually working.
    56AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:55
    Re: #47
    It was only ever used as a code name for the hazing, so no foul there.
    54AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:55
    If it were me, I'd just no-show starting tomorrow.
    Leave the LINE group, power off my phone, and go on a trip.
    61AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:56
    Re: #54
    For a regular person, sure, but someone as famous as Arai pulling that would turn into a missing-person news story.
    65AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:57
    Re: #54
    That's basically Kadokura 😅 (former pitcher Ken Kadokura, known for once going missing)
    69AnonymousSep 22, 2026 11:57
    Wanting to quit but not being able to escape — this 'Hiroshima village' is terrifying.
    80AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:00
    Re: #69
    So this is how scary drugs are… (joking that the club is as addictive/inescapable as a drug)
    86AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:00
    Doesn't seem like there's anyone else who'd take the job.
    95AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:02
    Re: #86
    Ogata's said he wants to do it.
    And since Nomuken just left his TV show yesterday, people were saying that might open the door for him too.
    102AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:04
    For the fans, 'nothing's going to change' is just pure despair.
    125AnonymousSep 22, 2026 12:10
    Re: #102
    Humans have this bad habit — once they hit despair over the worst-case scenario, they convince themselves it surely can't get any worse.
    But this isn't the end.
    Waiting just ahead: free agency season for what little decent core talent the team has left.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    This is Arai’s fourth season at the helm. With the team mired in last place, he’s reportedly been consumed by dealing with player misconduct — including the ‘zombie cigarette’ incident mentioned in the headline, as well as the ‘cigarette-burn hazing’ referenced in the thread (said to have been referred to internally by the code name ‘goma-gyo,’ a Buddhist fire ritual). Commenters noted that it isn’t unusual in Japanese pro baseball for a club to talk a manager out of resigning even after he’s expressed intent to quit, citing the case of Kenjiro Nomura, who tried to resign in his first year as manager but was persuaded to stay and ended up serving five years. At the same time, some suspected the real reason for keeping Arai on is simply that nobody else wants the job, and opinion was split over who truly bears responsibility for the players’ misconduct. Note that the detailed circumstances behind the ‘zombie cigarette’ and ‘cigarette-burn hazing’ incidents haven’t been explained beyond the original article, and the club had issued no official statement as of this thread.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Sad News] Takahiro Arai Tells Club ‘Let Me Quit’ Three Times, Gets Rejected, Stays On Next Season wwwwwwwww“

  • Darvish Makes ‘One of the Biggest Donations Ever’ — After Giving Up His ¥2.35 Billion Salary, His Devotion to San Diego Continues

    On September 21, Full-Count reported that San Diego Padres pitcher Yu Darvish continues to support a team charitable facility that was established in 1961. This season, sidelined all year by injury, Darvish forfeited the entirety of his contracted ¥2.35 billion salary, and this latest donation is being described as “one of the largest ever.” On 5channel, opinions were divided over the precedent set by forfeiting a salary, the tax considerations behind choosing to donate in the U.S. rather than to disaster-stricken areas of Japan, and comparisons to other athletes like Shohei Ohtani and footballer Takefusa Kubo.

    Mon, Sep 21, 3:56 PM

    Full-Count

    Since the facility was established in 1961… carrying on the wishes of the team’s late owner

    Source: topics.smt.docomo.ne.jp / Read the original article

    3AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:20
    Honestly, he should've just donated the money outright instead of forfeiting his salary.
    He shouldn't have set this crappy precedent.
    Don't go spreading Japan's idiotic values overseas.
    62AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:43
    Re: #3
    Agreed. It's a heartwarming story in Japan, but overseas they'd probably just call him an idiot.
    4AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:20
    Don't need the 'devotion' act.
    You're a pro, aren't you?
    5AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:20
    Hey Darvish, how about buying the Chunichi Dragons?
    50AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:37
    Re: #5
    That team won't spend money but won't sell either.
    What about the Rakuten Eagles instead?
    6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:21
    Is it awkward for him being Iranian (his father is Iranian)?
    7AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:21
    He should be donating to Tohoku earthquake or Kumamoto earthquake relief instead.
    12AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:23
    Re: #7
    Donating to Japan is a huge tax hassle.
    If you donate ¥1 billion, you could end up owing another ¥500 million in taxes.
    75AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:54
    Re: #12
    Yeah, since he lives in the US, that would apply.
    Chappy (net slang for ChatGPT) says it'd be around ¥250 million.
    8AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:22
    Every other MLB player, in unison: "Don't go doing unnecessary stuff!"
    10AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:22
    Are you sure you're not being shaken down for money? If something's bothering you, call a support hotline.
    11AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:23
    He's going to get frozen out by the other players.

    Forfeiting your salary — which is a player's right — like that…
    It makes players who don't forfeit theirs look like the bad guys.
    15AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:24
    The kid who used to smoke at a pachinko parlor in Okinawa has really turned into a fine man.
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:30
    Re: #15
    Wasn't it Kamagaya or Ichikawa, not Okinawa?
    17AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:24
    He should donate to former pro baseball players instead.
    A lot of them are broke and turning to crime.
    53AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:39
    Re: #17
    Maybe setting up a company to help with their career transitions would be good.
    18AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:25
    Wait, what?
    He's already forfeited it, on his Padres contract?
    I heard something about the Padres leaking this out of spite, forcing his hand.
    19AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:25
    He's got a lot of kids, so he might end up poor down the line.
    20AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:25
    Hasn't he retired?
    22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:26
    Re: #20
    He's under contract through 2028.
    He's been out all season with an injury.
    And he forfeited his entire salary.
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:26
    Guess Sho-hei will follow his senpai's example and donate ¥2.3 billion for sure.
    The fact that he deliberately never goes past ¥50 million is out of deference to Darvish.
    25AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:27
    Darvish, who used to be such a delinquent, is turning into a saint.
    26AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:27
    What's Ohtani gonna do now?
    Since Darvish donated, he pretty much has to as well, right?
    27AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:27
    That's insane.
    Just 1% of that would do.
    Please give it to me.
    37AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:32
    Re: #35
    AI Overview:
    In his rookie year with the Nippon-Ham Fighters, in February 2005, Yu Darvish was reported by a tabloid photo magazine for underage smoking and visiting a pachinko parlor during Okinawa spring training, and received an indefinite suspension.
    45AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:35
    Re: #37
    Here comes the AI copy-paste guy again (slang for someone who pastes AI-generated summaries into threads).
    42AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:33
    Isn't it the case that celebrities over there kind of have to do charity work, or it looks bad?
    44AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:34
    Re: #42
    Nah, it's not really like that.
    65AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:45
    If Ohtani donates ¥100 billion too, I'll seriously start following his example.
    72AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:52
    Re: #65
    If you donate ¥1,000 too, maybe Ohtani will recognize you lol
    81AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:57
    This is just standard practice for celebrities in America.
    Ohtani has his own foundation and does charity work too.
    MLB players in particular donate a ton.
    You never hear about this kind of thing in soccer though.
    Do guys like Kubo or Mitoma donate at all?
    88AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:04
    Re: #81
    Even top Japanese players like Kubo and Mitoma only make a few hundred million yen a year, so don't compare them to MLB players pulling in billions.
    They probably donated something to Kumamoto earthquake relief or whatever, I don't really know.
    87AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:02
    Darvish is different, but rich Americans' donations are usually about tax savings.
    They go looking for other people's misfortune to throw money at.
    And the recipients know it too, so they take the money without much gratitude.
    92AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:09
    Re: #87
    You only get a deduction, so donating still leaves you with less money in hand.
    In Japan, with a tax-credit type donation, your net take-home stays the same.
    And with furusato nozei (the hometown tax donation program) you actually get goods back, so you come out ahead.
    It's basically like begging.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    Darvish has played for the Padres since 2018 and is known for his ongoing community contributions through the team’s charitable activities. The facility reported on this time was established in 1961, and his support is described as carrying on the wishes of the team’s former owner. In the thread, opinions were divided over the merits of forfeiting a salary as a method, the reasoning behind choosing to donate in the U.S. rather than to disaster-affected areas of Japan, and the size of the tax burden involved — though the specific tax figures and mechanisms cited varied from post to post, and no official confirmation had been established as of this article. Some posts also referenced past events, such as the 2005 reports of underage smoking, but this is a previously reported, already-known fact, and this article adds no new claims about it. Comparisons of donation amounts with other athletes like Shohei Ohtani, Takefusa Kubo, and Kaoru Mitoma also came up, but it should be noted these aren’t simple apples-to-apples comparisons given the differences in contract scale and systems between sports.

    ※This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5channel (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[MLB] Darvish Makes “One of the Biggest” Donations — After “Forfeiting” His ¥2.35 Billion Salary, His Devotion to San Diego Continues.”

  • Whispers of Manager Shinjo Hitting His Limit: From ‘Championship Declaration’ to a Harsh Reality

    AERA dot. has reported on a “waning of leadership pull” surrounding Nippon-Ham manager Shinjo Tsuyoshi. Before the season he repeatedly declared “Beat SoftBank” and an “utterly dominant championship,” but with the team now struggling to even hit its target of 96 wins — let alone the league title — reports say the club is leaning toward asking him to stay on regardless. On 5ch, threads have split: some point to the team’s lopsided losing record in head-to-head games against SoftBank as the real problem, while others argue “no manager could have won this year” given SoftBank’s sheer strength, leaving opinion divided on whether Shinjo should continue.

    9/21 (Mon) 18:00 JST

    AERA DIGITAL

    Nippon-Ham manager Shinjo Tsuyoshi’s leadership pull is starting to show cracks. He has repeated “Beat SoftBank” and an “utterly dominant championship” again and again, but the results look set to go the opposite way. The Climax Series (CS) is still ahead, and some reports say the club plans to ask him to stay on regardless — but…

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    5AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:30
    Don't hear "Big Boss" much these days, huh
    92AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:09
    Re: #5
    That's because he changed his registered name.
    8AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:31
    He's probably well aware people are getting tired of him. But since he still collects his salary, he'll stick around if they ask him to.
    9AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:31
    Even Fighters fans are bashing him, so he's clearly not popular.
    10AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:32
    In Shinjo's case, nobody criticizes him even without results
    there's no cushier job than that.
    13AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:33
    Is hitting the 96-win target even realistic at this point?
    20AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:34
    Re: #13
    Both 96 wins and the pennant are looking pretty tough now.
    14AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:33
    Has it really been that long already, time flies
    They're strong, sure, but for any team the real goal is a league title followed by the Japan Series championship, no question
    Might be about time for a fresh start with a new team identity.
    15AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:33
    What do you think SoftBank's doing with all that AI investment?
    16AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:33
    People are already sick of the shtick — what's the reason to keep him around?
    17AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:34
    After all that big talk, their record against SoftBank has been an absolute disaster
    You could call him the guy who single-handedly made the Pacific League boring.
    21AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:34
    It's fine if there's a decent successor lined up next, right?
    Don't forget how lucky you are that someone's willing to be stationed out in Ezo (old name for Hokkaido), Hokkaido folks.
    22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:35
    He's got no choice but to manage the Tigers next
    Fujikawa doesn't have the presence for it
    And the Fighters should just hand it to Tanaka Yukio.
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:35
    Even a tied record against SoftBank would still be enough for the pennant
    The real problem is losing to SoftBank too badly
    SoftBank only goes even with Rakuten
    It's not like they're unbeatable.
    24AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:35
    Might get better results letting someone like Iwamoto manage instead.
    25AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:35
    It's less that he's hit his limit and more that he's the one who wrecked the Pacific League this year.
    26AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:36
    They have the talent to go toe-to-toe with Fukuoka, but if you're handing over a 10-plus game swing in head-to-head play, that's just inexcusable.
    27AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:36
    SoftBank's just too strong — there's no beating that playing it straight.
    28AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:36
    Both the manager and front office are neglecting the bullpen, so no title next year either
    The year after that, just bring back Inaba.
    29AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:37
    Look at the actual record and it's not that different from the Tigers or Giants
    SoftBank's just absurdly strong.
    31AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:38
    Unlike the Central League, the Pacific League's A-class teams have almost identical interleague-play win margins.
    32AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:38
    SoftBank's just too strong
    their financial muscle is on another level — FA signings and foreign players even stacked in their 4th-string squad
    honestly, Seibu did well for themselves this year.
    39AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:41
    Re: #32
    Like it or not, Shinjo's Fighters are simply losing too much to SoftBank
    SoftBank's strong, but their winning margin mostly comes from beating up on the Fighters and Lotte.
    41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:42
    Re: #32
    Seibu's player development is really paying off
    they keep producing changeup lefties, relievers, and position players like clockwork.
    33AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:39
    SoftBank's just a brutal matchup — and their core players keep getting poached too
    still, if they did change managers it'd probably turn into a circus, so part of me almost wants them to do it just for the entertainment.
    34AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:39
    Shinjo should go manage the Tigers
    Who'd be good for the Fighters then? Inada, maybe?
    81AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:02
    Re: #34
    How about Kida Masao — he did fine as interim manager.
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:39
    They're so weak even SoftBank fans are getting bored watching them.
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:40
    People keep saying SoftBank's too strong, but strip out the Fighters' winning margin and they're not much different from Seibu.
    42AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:43
    No matter who managed this year, nobody was beating SoftBank — the games actually lost to bad in-game decisions were maybe only about five.
    46AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:44
    Kokubo hates performance-manager types like Shinjo too, you know
    so he probably went all-out to win specifically against the Fighters.
    56AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:48
    Re: #46
    Those two are close enough to call each other best friends, no?
    49AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:45
    They haven't won the pennant, but they've built a solid winning margin and are sitting in A-class.
    52AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:46
    Re: #49
    That's thanks to interleague play
    who knows how it'll look if the Central League adopts the DH next year.
    68AnonymousSep 21, 2026 22:54
    SoftBank ('the toilet bowl' — a mocking nickname posters use for the team) is +14 excluding the Fighters
    the Fighters are +18 excluding SoftBank ('the toilet bowl')

    so the Fighters are actually the stronger team lol
    83AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:04
    Re: #68
    Then why are the Fighters sitting in 3rd place lol
    82AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:03
    Feels like you need someone on Yamamoto Yoshinobu's level to beat SoftBank
    they kept throwing him at SoftBank over and over and lost streak after streak — now that Yamamoto's off to MLB, there's nobody left who can shut SoftBank down and reel off wins.
    89AnonymousSep 21, 2026 23:08
    Re: #82
    throw an average ace-level pitcher at them repeatedly and they'll just get figured out
    Yoshinobu's called the best pitcher out there for a reason.

    Background and Talking Points

    Since Shinjo took the helm in 2022, the buzz has cooled off — summed up neatly by the comment “don’t hear ‘Big Boss’ much these days.” This article’s focus is the team’s head-to-head record against SoftBank; some specific winning-margin figures came up in the thread, but these are individual posters’ own tallies, not confirmed official statistics, so they should be taken with that caveat. Because the Pacific League decides its champion through the Climax Series (CS) after the regular season, missing the pennant doesn’t mean the season is over, and the article itself notes the club may ask Shinjo to stay on regardless. The thread splits between a defense — “with this much of a talent gap, no manager would make a difference” — and criticism aimed at the front office and in-game management, such as neglecting the bullpen; no consensus emerged on whether he should continue.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports Newsflash+) thread “[Nippon-Ham] Whispers of Manager Shinjo Hitting His Limit: From “Championship Declaration” to a Harsh Reality.”

  • Chunichi Sets Attendance Record at Home Finale for 2nd Straight Year — 5ch: ‘Jeering the Top Brass?? lol’

    On September 20, the Chunichi Dragons played their final home game of the season at Nagoya Dome. During the pre-game ceremony, manager Kazuki Inoue apologized to fans for the team’s current standing, saying he was “resigned to” their position in the rankings — a moment met with a mix of applause and angry jeers from the stands. Meanwhile, total attendance for the season reached 2,533,782 across 72 games (an average of 35,687 per game), marking the highest figure for a second straight year since the team began reporting actual attendance counts. On 5ch, discussion ranged from the gap between the team’s poor results and rising attendance, to Seishiro Sakamoto’s home run, to the Central League pennant race involving the Hanshin Tigers and DeNA BayStars.

    1AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:13
    Previous thread
    Giants Acting Manager 145
    4AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:15
    Kudo
    HERE HE COMES━━━━(°∀°)━━━━!!
    5AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:22
    Vantelin Dome — home finale ceremony underway
    6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:22
    The Dragons' final Nagoya Dome ceremony of the season is starting
    12AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:24
    Wait, the BayStars haven't won?
    14AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:25
    Remaining schedule for the top 3 Central League teams (as of Sept 20)


    Central League pennant race line (as of Sept 20)


    Hanshin's magic number situation for the 21st


    September Central League above-.500 trend
    41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:31
    Re: #14
    Game over
    Hanshin 2-2 DeNA
    15AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:25
    They're bringing Reynolds out here?
    20AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:27
    The BayStars gave it their all — if they lose this one, it's over
    21AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:27
    Whatever
    The Giants are gonna lose at Koshien anyway
    22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:27
    Ishida's been decent too — if they pull ahead, maybe it's Ishida's win
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:28
    Chu-Dora [Chunichi Dragons] have a winning record at home, so no booing lol
    24AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:28
    Oh, Reynolds is starting? What happens if they take the lead?
    32AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:29
    Well, they probably want to bring him in against Sato and Oyama when it really matters
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:29
    Nagoya Dome's 30th season
    Over 2.5 million total across 72 games
    Highest ever since actual attendance reporting began
    40AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:31
    Re: #35
    At this rate the club doesn't even need to win the pennant
    Fans aren't leaving even when the team's weak
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:30
    Pinky's apology-and-thanks speech (a nickname used for the manager in the thread)
    38AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:30
    Manager Inoue's speech
    Once he goes quiet, you can hear the heckling loud and clear lol
    47AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:33
    Re: #38
    "Then YOU quit!"

    HAHAHAHAHA lol
    *clap clap clap clap clap clap*
    42AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:31
    [Chunichi] Total attendance sets a 'record high' for the 2nd straight year, announced at 2,533,782 (avg. 35,687/game)
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8556880e0ffabad57dfaec4d2bb2e5a6a20dba34
    46AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:32
    Chunichi's roster could genuinely compete at the top if things click
    50AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:34
    Re: #40
    No, that's bad
    Newspapers and Monthly Dragons magazine won't sell
    TV and radio ratings won't go up either
    Everyone loses
    54AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:35
    Please keep Nanako Kurosaki out of this, she's definitely lurking around here lol

    75
    56AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:35
    Sakamoto's brutal slump was all just build-up for this at-bat lol
    58AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:36
    Seishiro, possessed by home-run fever thanks to Sakamoto's advice
    66AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:37
    Figured they'd bring in a pinch hitter if it came down to it — oh wait, Hanshin isn't even in this game
    67AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:37
    The man driven mad by home runs
    Seishiro Sakamoto
    77AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:41
    Chunichi Dragons pitcher Raynosuke Sakurai's entrance music is
    Sarah Brightman's "Time to Say Goodbye"

    Kind of an unlucky pick for a song right before you take the mound
    Though the original is
    a 1995 song by Italian singer Andrea Bocelli, "Con te partirò"
    Con Te Partirò
    meaning, roughly, "let's set off together with you"
    81AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:42
    Chunichi manager Inoue met with applause and jeers from the stands — apologizes to fans at home finale ceremony: "That we've settled for our current standing…"
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/132b91eab7c9cf15f530b99f0ea313a4d9471039
    98AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:46
    Re: #81
    Wait, they actually printed 'jeers' aimed at the top brass? lol
    83AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:43
    Pitchers who are just fast and nothing else blow out their shoulders quick
    101AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:46
    Re: #83
    You mean Ma-kun? wwwww
    86AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:43
    [Seibu] Kaima Taira pulled from the active roster under the infectious-disease exception after reporting a fever — several teammates already out with the flu
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/121470a4a954bcd3f0b026d6f3f5aeeb9891b697
    93AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:45
    Re: #86
    It's going around Saitama Prefecture right now
    87AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:44
    A flu outbreak at this point in the season is rough
    97AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:46
    Meanwhile COVID's going around in Okayama Prefecture
    100AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:46
    Most of Kudo's pitches would be called balls if you just took them — why swing at all?
    105AnonymousSep 21, 2026 17:47
    His fastball's so quick that batters start their timing early and get beat

    Background and Key Points

    In recent years, NPB has shifted from reporting visually-estimated attendance figures to verified actual counts for each team, and Chunichi’s 2,533,782 is the highest figure recorded since that switch. The fact that attendance keeps climbing even as the team struggles in the standings illustrates how results and attendance don’t necessarily move together — the thread was split between an optimistic view (“fans aren’t leaving even when the team’s weak”) and concern that “if newspaper and broadcast numbers don’t rise too, it’s bad for the club overall.” At the final whistle, the Hanshin-DeNA game had ended in a 2-2 draw, drawing attention to the timing of Hanshin’s pennant-clinching magic number. It’s also worth noting that the exchange about Seishiro Sakamoto’s (Chunichi) home run could easily be confused with Hayato Sakamoto (Giants) — who shares the same surname and has been in the news for a slump — since the wording makes it easy to mix the two up if you’re not following the context closely.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Giants Acting Manager 146.”

  • Murakami Draws 3 Walks/HBPs, Batting .202 with .809 OPS as White Sox Close to Within 1 Game of First — 5ch: ‘Guess Your Average Doesn’t Drop Without a Hit lol’

    The Chicago White Sox won 8-1 over the Tigers at home at Rate Field, despite a roughly four-hour rain delay, taking their three-game division series. They’ve now closed the gap on the division-leading Guardians to just one game. Munetaka Murakami, starting at cleanup and first base, went hitless but reached base three times via walks and a hit-by-pitch, driving in one run — his average held at .202, while his OPS stayed at .809. On 5ch, users debated why batting average doesn’t drop in a hitless game, questioned the rule that credits an RBI on a walk, complained about the confusing shorthand team abbreviations “Ho-gun” (White Sox) and “Ga-gun” (Guardians), and speculated on the wild card race.

    White Sox Cruise to Win in Game Delayed Nearly 4 Hours by Rain, Close to Within 1 Game of Division-Leading Guardians — Murakami Draws 3 Walks/HBPs, Drives in 1 Run

    ○ White Sox 8–1 Tigers ● (Local time, September 18, Rate Field)

    The Chicago White Sox took their four-game division series against the Detroit Tigers. Infielder Munetaka Murakami (26) started and played the full game batting cleanup at first base, reaching base three times and driving in one run.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:46
    Please don't dip below .200
    86AnonymousSep 21, 2026 15:47
    Re: #6
    2023 Kyle Schwarber: 'Who cares if it's the .100s'
    https://baseball.yahoo.co.jp/mlb/player/2101244/year
    7AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:46
    Wait, they'd fallen this far behind this late in the season…
    8AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:46
    No way the White Sox are actually legit contenders — that's the problem right there
    9AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:47
    Murakami fading in the second half was totally predictable
    11AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:49
    An RBI on a walk is ridiculous
    He didn't even hit the ball, why's he getting an RBI?
    14AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:50
    Impressive that his OPS is still over .800 even with a .200 average
    30AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:03
    Re: #14
    He draws a ton of walks so his OBP stays decent, and a good chunk of his rare hits end up being home runs anyway.
    82AnonymousSep 21, 2026 15:29
    Re: #14
    His 'walk-begging' skills (drawing free passes) alone are major-league top class
    16AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:50
    I've gotten used to 'Ho-gun' but 'Ga-gun' just doesn't click for me
    Can we please retire this shorthand already
    18AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:51
    Cleveland just won't lose… ugh, man
    22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:56
    Re: #18
    Shouldn't the wild card be fine though? The Astros and Blue Jays aren't pulling away.
    26AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:01
    Re: #22
    No, I really want them to win the division no matter what — given how last year went, it'd be huge.
    28AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:02
    Re: #22
    Didn't expect the Astros to be this underwhelming
    Even with Alvarez actually staying healthy for once
    19AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:52
    Didn't realize his OPS had dropped that much already
    Hope he can hang on to .800 somehow
    21AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:55
    One more win and the wild card's basically locked up, right?
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:57
    Guess your average doesn't drop that much even without a hit lol
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:08
    Re: #23
    Walks and HBPs don't raise your average, but they don't lower it either
    32AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:04
    Abbreviations like 'Re-gun,' 'Ka-gun,' and 'Ma-gun' each overlap with two or three teams (e.g., Rangers/Reds/Rays, Cardinals/Royals/Rockies, Marlins/Mariners/Mets)
    Why did this vague shorthand even become the norm
    34AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:07
    He's been a mess since the second half started
    Can't hit homers and his average keeps sliding
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:08
    Re: #28
    I don't really want to say it, but Imai is genuinely the one to blame
    He's getting paid a big salary, so he shouldn't have switched teams so casually like some prospect
    44AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:14
    Re: #28
    The team has completely peaked and is on the decline now
    This year they were only in the race because the Mariners stumbled on their own — nobody actually thought they could contend for the division
    45AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:15
    Impressive that his OPS is over .800 with that batting average
    46AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:16
    If his OPS drops below .800 it's really gonna be bad
    47AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:17
    Finishing the season in the .100s would actually be more memorable
    56AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:32
    Re: #47
    Schwarber did that and nobody remembers it
    49AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:18
    Getting walked even with the bases loaded lol
    58AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:34
    Re: #49
    The opposing pitching staff was just terrible
    They gave up 9 walks/HBPs in today's game alone
    62AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:36
    MLB's 'we're playing this game no matter what' attitude
    Just waiting around for it is exhausting
    What are they gonna do if global warming makes the weather worse and it just keeps raining?
    Are they planning on running triple-headers or something?
    Cut the number of games already
    89AnonymousSep 21, 2026 15:50
    Re: #62
    Won't every team just end up with a dome stadium eventually?
    68AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:41
    Neither 'Ho' nor 'Ga' clicks for me instantly
    70AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:49
    Back in the day, for things like the All-Star Game, people normally said 'Central League squad' and 'Pacific League squad' using '-gun' too.
    74AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:58
    Re: #70
    Back then a lot of team names actually had '軍' (gun, meaning 'corps/army') built right in.
    Tokyo Kyojin-gun (Giants), Hanshin-gun, Hankyu-gun, Nankai-gun, Kinki Nippon-gun, Nagoya-gun, Nagoya Kinshachi-gun, and so on.
    88AnonymousSep 21, 2026 15:49
    Optics-wise, I feel like dropping below .800 OPS just won't be forgiven
    90AnonymousSep 21, 2026 15:52
    Re: #88
    .200 average, .798 OPS
    .200 average, .802 OPS

    The impression is completely different
    The first one just screams 'total garbage'

    Background and Talking Points

    MLB rain delays have no time limit, so waiting nearly four hours to resume, as happened here, isn’t unusual. The shorthand terms “Ho-gun” and “Ga-gun” used on 5ch are a holdover from the days when Japanese pro baseball teams like the Tokyo Giants (Kyojin-gun) and Hanshin (Hanshin-gun) used “-gun” (“corps/army”) in their names; posters now loosely apply the same convention to MLB teams, though several complained it’s hard to parse at first glance. The gap between Murakami’s .202 average and .809 OPS reflects that he racks up his on-base numbers largely through walks and hit-by-pitches. Batting average uses at-bats as its denominator, which excludes walks and HBPs, so a hitless game doesn’t actually lower it. Under MLB’s standard rules, a walk that brings a runner home still counts as an RBI, so it isn’t unusual for a player to get credited with an RBI without a hit. Some posts in the thread singled out pitcher Imai as the one “to blame,” but that’s one poster’s personal take, not a definitive explanation for the team’s slump.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “[MLB] White Sox Cruise to Win in Game Delayed Nearly 4 Hours by Rain, Close to Within 1 Game of Division-Leading Guardians — Murakami Draws 3 Walks/HBPs, Drives in 1 RBI, .202 Average, .809 OPS.”

  • After Ohtani’s Return, He’ll Be an ‘Easy Out’ Says US Media — 5ch Fires Back: ‘We’ve Won Back-to-Back World Series Since He Got Here’

    As Los Angeles Dodgers star Shohei Ohtani works his way back from the injured list, US outlet Dodgers Way reporter Katrina Stebbins has drawn criticism for a harsh assessment: “If the slump he was in before going on the IL continues, he’ll be an easy out for postseason opponents.” On 5ch, the fairness of that take sparked a debate that pulled in stats like WAR and OPS. Commenters compared his decline to Ichiro’s, traded conflicting stats from the 2024 and 2025 World Series batting lines, and the discussion spiraled into whether the Dodgers are actually a better team without Ohtani.

    Shohei Ohtani being blasted over injury-related slump!? US media’s harsh verdict: “An easy out for opponents…”

    Los Angeles Dodgers star Shohei Ohtani is progressing toward a return from the injured list (IL), though his current condition is described as “close to normal.” Even once he’s back, he may not immediately be the player he once was, according to Dodgers Way reporter Katrina Stebbins.

    Regarding Ohtani, who was already struggling before landing on the IL, Stebbins said: “He’ll likely bat leadoff again once he’s back. But if he looks the way he did right before going on the IL, postseason opponents will be happy to take the easy outs he gives them early in games.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:33
    Stuff like this never gets reported by Japanese media, huh.
    16AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:36
    Re: #3
    Isn't Yahoo Japanese media though?
    6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:33
    Why did he suddenly become washed up like this?
    33AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:40
    Re: #6
    You can kind of see his personality in it — doesn't listen to anyone and just keeps repeating the same mistakes.
    18AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:36
    Re: #16
    Thinking about it normally, isn't this referring to legacy/old media given the context?
    22AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:37
    Re: #18
    Old media is out of their minds — they reported Ohtani as the mastermind during the Mizuhara illegal gambling scandal. Anything goes as long as it gets ratings.
    29AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:39
    Re: #22
    Seems like a perfectly reasonable point to me.
    19AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:37
    This year's Ohtani >> Ichiro's career high, so that's not it.
    21AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:37
    Re: #19
    His WAR is garbage though, what are you even talking about?
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:37
    Can't really help it, there's an MVP race going on, no?
    25AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:38
    Re: #23
    That's already out of reach, but he'll lose the HR count to Murakami, Okamoto, and Suzuki, so he's got to play no matter what.
    31AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:40
    Re: #21
    Ichiro was washed up too — not just OPS, his WAR was garbage as well. Even within the team, only Pages and Muncy have a higher WAR than Ohtani.
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:41
    Re: #31
    What is this guy even saying — Ichiro was still racking up 200 hits at 32.
    38AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:41
    Re: #25
    A casual who only looks at home run counts. What about Murakami's and Okamoto's WAR then? If low WAR is disqualifying like with Ohtani, huh?
    41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:43
    People keep bringing up OPS and WAR, but the reality is the Dodgers win more without Ohtani. That's true now, and the Dodgers were winning more before he even got there too. Those numbers mean nothing.
    46AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:45
    Re: #41
    Are you a casual fan or what?

    Before Ohtani: regular-season specialists, knocked out in the postseason.
    The moment Ohtani arrived: back-to-back World Series titles.

    They don't waste effort piling on weak teams in the regular season — that's exactly why they can win in the postseason.
    49AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:47
    Re: #46
    Meanwhile, 2024 World Series: .105 average, 0 HR, 0 RBI, .385 OPS.
    Meanwhile, 2025 World Series: ERA over 7.
    56AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:49
    Re: #49
    Can't bring up his 2025 batting stats, huh? That's exactly why nobody trusts you — cherry-picking only the convenient stuff and hiding whatever's inconvenient.

    2025 postseason OPS: 1.096.
    58AnonymousSep 21, 2026 13:49
    Re: #49
    LMAO, "better off without him." I think what he's trying to say is that Ohtani was basically functioning as a lucky charm. He just can't accept what's actually happening on the field.
    82AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:06
    Ichiro had a playing style that aged well, so he was fine, but Ohtani's the type where age-related decline hits directly — the next few years are going to be a horror show.
    85AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:09
    Re: #82
    Ichiro started declining and became dead weight around age 31. He just looked better because he was on a team with nothing riding on the postseason — really he just dragged on with trash stats.
    92AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:12
    Ichiro was playing 160 games a season even in his age-40 year, but Ohtani has never once played 160 games. I know someone's going to say "just show up to games then," but a player who can't stay on the field a lot ultimately can't have a long career.
    97AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:16
    Re: #92
    Unlike Ichiro, he's not chasing individual records. Last year too, he was in the home run title race, but once the division title was clinched, he sat out and gave up his shot at the HR crown. The Dodgers especially aim everything at the postseason, so they rest guys appropriately during the regular season and aren't even competing for regular-season win totals.
    93AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:12
    Everyone was making a huge fuss about how the deferred-salary deal helps the team and Ohtani's a saint! But now that it's come to this, it's backfired, hasn't it 😅
    98AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:18
    LOL, he's not even chasing individual records and yet he's apparently disliked on the team and making things awkward.
    104AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:20
    Re: #98
    I doubt the people around him actually see it that way.
    106AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:20
    Re: #98
    Are you talking about Ichiro? Because Ohtani's well-liked enough that teammates bring him up even when he's not around.
    102AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:19
    Is there anyone who looks at Ohtani right now and actually thinks "team-first player"?
    105AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:20
    Re: #102
    He's literally trying to play through injury for the team's sake though?
    107AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:24
    Re: #85
    At 31 he was batting around .370 and setting a new hits record. He didn't start declining until after 35.
    111AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:29
    Re: #107
    Batting average, huh… If his OPS were high, fine, but a high average paired with low OPS and low on-base percentage doesn't translate to wins. He was just forcing his hit total up, and his OPS was declining at a faster pace than Ohtani's.
    110AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:28
    Betts in September, freed from all the suffocating pressure —

    Batting average .373 (his first .300 of the season), 6 HR (season high), 20 RBI (season high), OPS 1.215 (season high; August was .706)
    112AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:29
    Re: #110
    Honestly, when it comes to Betts, it really does seem like he doesn't think much of Ohtani.
    113AnonymousSep 21, 2026 14:30
    Re: #110
    If this were Ohtani, you'd say he only started hitting in meaningless games after the postseason spot was already clinched. That's the thing about haters — their story conveniently changes to fit.

    Background and Key Points of This Topic

    It’s worth noting that this article is based on an assessment piece by a reporter at the US outlet Dodgers Way — not a statement from Ohtani himself or an official team announcement. Ohtani has not yet returned from the injured list, so no verdict has actually been reached based on real pitching or hitting performance. The main point of disagreement in the thread centered on how to interpret the all-encompassing metric “WAR.” Because it factors in defense and baserunning in addition to batting average and home runs, a player who stands out in batting average can still show up low in WAR — and the handling of this number fueled repeated, talking-past-each-other comparisons to Ichiro. Commenters on both sides also cherry-picked conflicting data — Ohtani’s batting slump in the 2024 World Series (.105 average) versus his strong 2025 postseason (1.096 OPS) — and readers should keep in mind that each is only part of the full picture. There was also a reference to the illegal gambling scandal involving Ippei Mizuhara that surfaced in 2024, but Ohtani’s own involvement was denied from the start, and the thread discussion proceeds on that assumption.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Sad News] Dodgers-focused media outlet: “If Ohtani comes back, all he’ll do is give away easy outs”“.