Author: Japan Reacts Editorial

  • Why Hasn’t M!LK Released a “Yozora no Mukou”-Caliber Ballad Classic? 5ch Weighs In

    M!LK has scored TikTok hits with quirky, off-the-wall (“tonchiki”) songs like “Ii Jan,” but they’ve yet to land a massive hit with a classic-style ballad in the vein of “Yozora no Mukou” (Beyond the Night Sky) or “Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana” (Only Flower in the World). On 5ch’s Hello! Project board, a comment warning that “at this rate they’ll end up a cringe-worthy group of middle-aged guys” sparked a debate over why the group hasn’t released a truly great ballad. The thread split between defenders arguing that “you can’t just produce a classic ballad overnight” and harsher voices insisting that “the entire Hello! Project family has never had a single great ballad,” with posters bringing up SMAP and AKB48 ballads for comparison.

    1AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:33
    At this rate, in a few years they'll just be a cringe group of washed-up guys doing silly ("tonchiki") songs.
    8AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:40
    After the first hit, momentum carries the next one, then they get complacent and it's over — classic one-hit-wonder pattern.
    10AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:42
    Honestly, even with the new single, the momentum's already dropping off a bit.
    17AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:46
    Re: #10
    The momentum's been dropping since around "Idol Power."
    58AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:35
    Re: #10
    Of course — you can't pull off that kind of viral hit over and over.
    12AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:43
    Don't know much about them, but I guess it's like Koburyu (the band behind the one-hit-wonder "Hitori Zake")?
    13AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:44
    TikTok users only bite on the silly ("tonchiki") stuff.
    14AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:44
    They're Momoiro Clover Z's little-brother group, so of course they only put out junk songs.
    15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:44
    Was "Moreme" also a tonchiki song — is that why it caught on?
    16AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:46
    Re: #15
    Yeah, that's right.
    Really, it is.
    For what it's worth, "Love Machine" is the same.
    18AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:47
    The year "Ii Jan" went viral, they actually put out a refreshing cheer song called "Ao no Oto" that summer…
    well, it didn't get any buzz though…
    19AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:48
    Still, they sing better than SMAP though.
    Actually, better than any Johnny's group, really.
    20AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:48
    Re: #1
    They could drop a so-so ballad anytime, but a truly great one can't be made on demand.
    21AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:50
    This whole thread that kicked off from "what does Ruby-chan like?" has finally calmed down.
    22AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:54
    "Ii Jan"
    "Sukisugite Metsu"
    "Bakuretsu Aishiteru"

    That's three right there, should be enough.
    62AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:36
    Re: #22
    They're all pointless, childish tonchiki songs.
    Just noise to hype up a crowd.
    23AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:54
    They'll probably just ride out their whole career as a one-off novelty act.
    24AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:54
    These days there's nobody left who can write anything but loud songs aimed at kids hopped up on dopamine — nobody like Masayoshi Yamazaki or Shikao Suga anymore.
    25AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:55
    Just give Stardust Promotion's songs a listen, one phrase each
    Mid-tempo & Ballads
    Tada Dakishimeru (Just Hold Me)
    http://youtu.be/qmJRP9hlz-k&t=79s
    Suki ni Natte Kurete Arigatou (Thanks for Falling for Me)
    http://youtu.be/S2qJyW5vvd8&t=231s
    Riyuu no Nai Koi (Love Without a Reason)
    http://youtu.be/wuZNfv2PxMU&t=280s
    Shape of Love
    http://youtu.be/D9JdIWIuNs4&t=52s
    PM 5:30
    http://youtu.be/uXfRE_q4AyI&t=50s
    Hentekoko (Oddball)
    http://youtu.be/lSnXmDLE6eM&t=61s
    Arinomama ga Itoshii Kimi e (To You, Dear Just as You Are)
    http://youtu.be/mFFfpFdQcXE&t=165s
    Bokura ga Tsuyoku (We, Growing Stronger)
    http://youtu.be/dBVUXnGmJts&t=149s
    Jinchouge (Daphne Blossom)
    http://youtu.be/TYhOBzTwpkI&t=121s
    Wedding Song
    http://youtu.be/czLwDYp9q08&t=171s
    Kanpai (Cheers)
    http://youtu.be/jFVFoNSzjeI&t=56s
    Neko (Cat)
    http://youtu.be/es-TULCdfvQ&t=152s
    26AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:57
    I'll say it the other way — "Yozora no Mukou" and "Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana" aren't great songs at all, just mediocre tunes sung by untalented singers.
    27AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:59
    Re: #26
    Shikao Suga's self-cover of "Yozora no Mukou" actually has real atmosphere and is a genuine classic though.
    28AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:00
    Even if a skilled singer performs it, if it doesn't catch on, it just gets buried.
    29AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:01
    Even if it's a hit sung by untalented singers, I just figure it means idiots are the ones listening.
    30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:02
    AKB48's most popular song is also a ballad, "Koisuru Fortune Cookie" (Fortune Cookie in Love).
    Ballads really are what keeps getting listened to for generations, no doubt about it.
    31AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:02
    Ballads? That's more Takahashi George's territory, isn't it (the boyfriend/husband of actress Sayuki Takagi, from the band Koburyu, known for the ballad "Hitori Zake").
    34AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:14
    Ballads barely exist as a trend these days — they're just not popular anymore.
    35AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:15
    Come to think of it, Hello! Project doesn't have a single great ballad across any of its groups.
    What has this group even been doing for almost 30 years?
    The only one I can even recall is "Kobushi no Hana," which borrowed from all over the place but wasn't blatant enough to call out, and was held together well by the arrangement.
    Well, that was peak Hoshibe — his pseudo-music-theory arranging put to good use.
    36AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:16
    Re: #1
    This year's Music Station appearances:
    Kis-My-Ft2: 1
    KinKi Kids: 1
    SixTONES: 2
    Snow Man: 4
    Timelesz: 2
    Kanjani8: 1
    King & Prince: 3
    Nakajima Kento: 3
    Naniwa Danshi: 1
    Aぇ! group: 2
    NEWS: 1
    Arashi: 1
    Yamada Ryosuke: 1
    Masuda Takahisa: 1
    Travis Japan: 1
    Johnny's total: 25

    M!LK: 8 ← this one
    Ebidan: 0

    Juice=Juice: 2
    37AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:19
    Didn't they do a whole ballad concert at some point?
    39AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:20
    Is "tonchiki" some term from the Stardust Promotion/Hyadain scene? It's kind of annoying.
    40AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:23
    Re: #39
    It goes back to "Nainai 16" and "Decameron Densetsu."
    42AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:24
    The word "tonchiki" itself is old, but what actually made it a standard term was Hyadain using it on the TV show Kanjam.
    43AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:25
    "In a few years"? They're already a cringe group of tonchiki old guys.
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:27
    So "tonchiki" has been around for ages, huh (lol).
    47AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:28
    Still too early for that.
    Right now they're at the "Sushi Kuine" or "Kamen Butoukai" stage.
    Next they need to put on roller skates.
    48AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:28
    I think TikTok-aimed songs and "tonchiki" songs are actually different things.
    53AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:31
    SMAP just had good songs.
    Like Akimoto, Johnny's had all kinds of people write for them and only picked the good ones, so of course they ended up with a lot of good songs.
    55AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:34
    Re: #53
    Nah, a lot of them were just no-name band musicians from Victor (the record label).

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    “Tonchiki song” is slang for tracks with outlandish lyrics or structures designed to catch on with TikTok users; one theory in the thread credits Hyadain with popularizing the term on the TV show Kanjam, but other posters pushed back, noting the concept goes back as far as “Nainai 16” and “Decameron Densetsu,” so the term’s actual origin remains unclear. M!LK has hit songs in the tonchiki vein, like “Ii Jan” and “Sukisugite Metsu,” but a more conventional song they released in summer 2024, “Ao no Oto,” never gained traction — which is the background behind the thread’s central question. Meanwhile, opinions on what counts as a “great ballad” vary from post to post: for instance, some argue that Shikao Suga’s self-cover of “Yozora no Mukou” is the definitive classic version, rather than SMAP’s original. The tally of Music Station appearances was brought up purely as a comparison with Johnny’s-affiliated groups, and should be read as just one popularity metric among many, not a definitive ranking.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Why doesn’t M!LK finally release a great ballad like “Yozora no Mukou” or “Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana”?“

  • Kaito Kozono’s Contract Terminated: 11 Teams Can’t Figure Out What Salary Wouldn’t Be Insulting

    The Hiroshima Toyo Carp terminated the contract of infielder Kaito Kozono (this season’s salary: ¥150 million), and a 5ch thread picked up on a tricky question: teams considering signing him have no idea what salary to offer. Kozono himself denies allegations of ties to organized crime (so-called “anti-social forces”), and while the club hasn’t presented concrete evidence and he hasn’t even been referred to prosecutors, the team cited an inability to “build a relationship of trust” as grounds for the release. In the thread, opinions split over how serious a release over conduct issues really is, what a fair salary would look like, and how this compares to past players who ran into similar trouble.

    1AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:43
    Somewhere around ¥50 million?
    5AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:46
    Kozono's so deeply, truly remorseful… so why?
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OjJIJYYkWVs
    9AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:49
    Eh, don't sweat it — the almighty SoftBank Hawks will scoop him up for like ¥200 million.
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:22
    Re: #9
    Use him where, though?
    10AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:53
    Any sane team would be too scared to touch him.
    This release was the kind where Hiroshima basically threw up their hands and gave up on him.
    Getting cut for "can't build a relationship of trust"
    is way harsher than just being told you're surplus to needs or outside the team's plans.

    Even his influencer wife felt enough legal risk
    to go ahead and divorce him.
    13AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:55
    Re: #10
    Forget athlete — this is "disqualified as a human being" territory, right?
    15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:57
    Re: #10
    Kozono was hyped as a huge draft prospect, and I'm pretty sure his high school coach gushed about how he was such a hard worker that a practice-heavy team like Hiroshima would suit him perfectly. Where did it all go wrong?
    20AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:59
    Re: #10
    He reportedly told the team during questioning that he "didn't know anything about the zombie thing" (a slang term for a certain synthetic drug), then got busted when a photo surfaced.
    21AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:59
    Didn't we used to believe that for baseball players, results on the field are everything and what they do off the field doesn't matter?

    Back in the day, pro baseball fans used to criticize the people who criticized players' off-field behavior like this.
    26AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:03
    Re: #21
    That mindset is gone in Japan now, and not just in baseball.
    Even Hitoshi Matsumoto (Japan's biggest comedian) got taken down by it.
    60AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:28
    Re: #21
    Everything changed after COVID.
    66AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:31
    Re: #21
    People did generally criticize it back then too — it's just that the die-hard fans were the ones going "Don't cut him if he's still useful on the field!"
    27AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:04
    Everyone's going to respect Hiroshima's call and just pass on him.
    It's the Mexican League for Kozono now.
    29AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:06
    Re: #27
    Honestly I'd love to see some team sign him anyway and then have the "zombie" thing blow up on them.
    28AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:05
    Feels like they lumped Kozono into the roster cuts just to patch up the team's image.
    Meanwhile the coaching staff had been playing him in the minors all along like he was still part of next year's plans.
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:12
    Re: #28
    Right now they've drained the pus, but the sac that was holding it is still there.
    Unless they remove the sac (the owner), it's just going to happen again.
    33AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:13
    If a team signs him, that's disrespectful to the Carp, who made the heartbreaking call to cut him in the first place.
    37AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:15
    Re: #33
    It'd be a rescue for an innocent young guy whose baseball career got shut down on a "guilty until proven innocent" basis — same as Yamakawa. He passes.
    40AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:18
    It'd be hilarious if he went overseas and ended up on the same team as Trevor Bauer.
    Not that I have any clue where Bauer's even playing these days.
    71AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:32
    Re: #40
    Wasn't there literally just news about him in a traffic accident, lol
    47AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:22
    Hanshin, seriously just sign the guy already.
    I don't want to look at the "Acorns" (a mocking nickname for Hanshin's current undersized infield) anymore.
    67AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:31
    Re: #47
    What Hanshin actually needs is someone who can field, so it'd be Yano, not him.
    Kozono's shortstop defense is basically the same as Motoyama's.
    54AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:27
    By the way, remember Norihiro Nakamura:
    Chunichi — ¥4 million development deal → promoted to the active roster at ¥6 million
    Then the following year, ¥50 million

    Something like that would be fine, right?
    112AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:06
    Re: #54
    Yeah, but Nori didn't actually do anything wrong.
    56AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:27
    I think it'd work out just right if all four of them (five if you count Hazuki) joined Hayate 223 (an independent pro team outside NPB).
    They'd definitely be useful there, and it'd balance out the farm-team power dynamics.
    61AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:29
    Re: #56
    Ever heard of "corporate image"?
    64AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:30
    The organized-crime and drug stuff are still just allegations, but the affair and divorce are facts.
    That alone already makes this bad.
    69AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:32
    Re: #64
    At that rate about half of all pro baseball players would disappear.
    80AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:37
    He's flatly denying it, and the team doesn't have evidence either.
    It really just comes down to whether prosecutors decide to indict — and if they don't, Kozono ends up looking like the victim here.
    His situation's different from the two guys who actually had their homes raided, I'd think, but somehow both cases ended in contract termination.
    83AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:40
    Re: #80
    It's a trust issue, plain and simple.
    "No proof of guilt" isn't the same as "proven innocent," so it can't be helped.
    92AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:48
    Re: #80
    Kozono hasn't even been referred to prosecutors, though.
    122AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:09
    Re: #80
    Technically speaking, isn't this
    not a mid-contract termination,
    but just an ordinary free-agent release
    during the normal roster-cut notice period, same as any other team?
    89AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:46
    If a team signs him, wouldn't organized crime come around to threaten the club?
    90AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:47
    Re: #89
    If that happens, just cut him then.
    95AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:49
    Honestly, he'll probably have teams lining up for him.
    Every club must want him so bad it hurts.
    Conduct problems clear up fast anyway.
    102AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:58
    Re: #95
    Still, he's basically a third-base-only guy with this level of hitting — is he really worth stretching for?
    111AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:06
    Re: #95
    Conduct problems never actually go away.
    Just look at Kiyota.
    110AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:05
    Bauer, kicking his bat like that, knew everything all along.
    117AnonymousOct 2, 2026 12:08
    Re: #110
    Both Hazuki and Kozono ending up like this — whoever called that had some serious foresight.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    Kozono had been under contract this season at a salary of ¥150 million, but Hiroshima went ahead and terminated it, citing an inability to “build a relationship of trust.” He denies the allegations, the club hasn’t presented concrete evidence, and — as the thread itself points out — he hasn’t even been referred to prosecutors. In other words, “no referral, no indictment” doesn’t mean the allegations have been cleared; what the club prioritized wasn’t legal guilt but the breakdown of trust, a distinction readers can easily conflate. Where the thread split was over whether conduct problems get overwritten by on-field talent, or whether — as in past similar cases — they end up casting a long shadow. On the question of a fair salary, concrete figures like “around ¥50 million” came up, while others took a harsher view by citing the past pay-cut case of Norihiro Nakamura — all reflecting the fact that there’s no settled consensus on his market value.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyou G) thread “11 teams unsure “how much would be insulting to offer” Kaito Kozono (this season’s salary ¥150 million)”.

  • Should ANGERME’s Rookie Nagano Be the Next Big Push? 5ch: ‘She Sold Out Both Sessions of Her Birthday Event Just 1 Year In’

    A thread debated whether Hello! Project group ANGERME should start seriously pushing rookie member Nagano. With flagship members Maki Goto and Hirayama going through a prolonged rough patch health-wise, some say Nagano stands head and shoulders above the other young members, while skeptics countered that “she’s not really that cute,” splitting opinion on her looks. Citing the fact that she filled both sessions of the Asahi Hall birthday event about a year after joining, some argued her popularity is backed by real numbers, and the discussion expanded into comparisons with other young members like Murakoshi and Tamenaga.

    1AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:14
    Reminds me of how old-school fans went all in on Goto right after "LOVE Machine" dropped.
    2AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:15
    I don't think she's as cute as everyone says — is she really that good?
    12AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:36
    Re: #2
    She's hands-down the best-looking one in ANGERME right now… though that's partly a comment on everyone else's level.
    4AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:19
    With Hirayama and Goto both unstable right now, she's the only one left worth pushing.
    5AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:20
    Pushing Nagano alone feels a bit thin, honestly.
    Better to push Goto, Shimoigaya, and Nagano together as the young-members unit.
    9AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:28
    She made me realize Murakoshi is actually cute.
    11AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:35
    The problem is there are days she doesn't look like Murakoshi at all.
    13AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:42
    She looks super cute in concert.
    Like Nishimura, she's the type who really shines when performing.
    15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    If only Goto and Hirayama's health would stabilize…
    16AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    In her very first year, she filled both sessions of her birthday event at Asahi Hall right off the bat.
    Her solo meet-and-greet numbers are climbing too — safe to say she's more popular than Hashisako, Tamenaga, Matsumoto, and Shimoigaya.
    17AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    Is this actually cute?
    https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20260923/22/angerme-new/dc/d5/j/o1080143915824955924.jpg
    https://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20260918/22/angerme-new/cf/ce/j/o1080143915823252709.jpg
    23AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:49
    Re: #17
    Fans who've actually seen her live think she's cute and push her for it — no need to pick nits.
    19AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:46
    First time I saw her I thought, wow she's pretty big — not talking about her chest.
    25AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:49
    Re: #19
    Yeah, she's tall with a bigger frame too.
    Honestly, you could drop her into Juice=Juice and she wouldn't look out of place.
    20AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:47
    Wakana-chan ("Mocchi") gets cute once she starts moving — the opposite of Tamenaga.
    21AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:47
    With glasses on, she drops below Hayashi.
    With her forehead showing, she drops below "King" (another member's nickname).
    24AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:49
    She already did her Ninmin Friends thing — that's as far as it goes.
    26AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:49
    Her face looks nothing like Goto's lol.
    At least build some popularity on skill before you come at us with takes.
    27AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:50
    Isn't this whole topic happening precisely because she's already popular at live events?
    30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:53
    Re: #1
    So the core ANGERME fanbase these days is basically old guys who watched Maki Goto and "LOVE Machine" live back in the day?
    31AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:01
    Losing to Nishimura and Sugihara in Ninmin really stings.
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:04
    Depending on the new members, ANGERME might end up going through a major image overhaul.
    34AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:04
    Mochiko's just normal-cute, but King is King-level cute (on a whole different tier), so it can't be helped.
    37AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:08
    Re: #34
    Reads like a wall of conspiracy-level rambling, but I get what you're saying.
    35AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:07
    She's basically filling the "Kawamura slot," right?
    Kawamura never really had that ace/center vibe, but being Goto's right hand seems like the best fit for her.
    36AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:08
    Realistically, the group's just going to keep building around pushing Goto.
    Her entourage looks better balanced when they're taller than she is, so my bet is the next recruit will be on the taller side too.
    38AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:09
    She seems totally like center material to me.
    She's got that reassuring presence.
    39AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:11
    Hope she keeps growing and pushing herself alongside Goto and Hirayama.
    40AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:12
    She's a pro at making you go "oh? maybe she's cute" at first glance and from her voice…
    but look closer and—
    41AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:12
    They've all got different strengths — just let each of them play to their own.
    42AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:13
    Doesn't seem like she'll pull much of a female fanbase.
    44AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:15
    Re: #42
    Actually, surprisingly, that's not really the case.
    43AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:14
    Next single's probably coming spring next year — hope it's a track that pushes the younger members.
    45AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:17
    Re: #43
    Isn't Hashisako center for the title track?
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:18
    Character-wise, fair point, but she's got the skills — she'll build up a decent female fanbase eventually.
    48AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:21
    Actually, there are already quite a few female fans waving yellow glow sticks for her (her member color).
    49AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:24
    She's the last hope for female fans who never managed to escape ANGERME fandom.
    51AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:26
    They should just do a promo tie-in like Koharu did, linking a current idol with anime voice-acting work.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    ANGERME is a Hello! Project group fronted by Maki Goto, and concerns over Goto’s and Hirayama’s health have repeatedly come up among fans over the past few years. Nagano, the member discussed in the thread, is a rookie who has been in the group for only about a year, and the fact that she filled both sessions of the Asahi Hall program at her birthday event is cited as proof that her popularity is “backed by real numbers.” At the same time, opinions on her looks are split right down the middle within the thread, with a recurring theme being the gap between impressions from photos alone versus impressions from seeing her live at concerts — the discussion wasn’t a simple looks debate but expanded to cover height, build, and how she comes across in performance. Nicknames like “Mocchi” and “King” are fan nicknames that have stuck to individual members, and comparisons with other members make more sense read in that context.</analysis>

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    ※This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Shouldn’t ANGERME go all in on pushing Nagano?“.

  • New ‘Fire TV Stick 4K’ Debuts — 5ch Says ‘Forget That, Did They Fix the Freezing?’

    On September 30, Amazon released a new streaming media player, the Fire TV Stick 4K. It’s priced at ¥11,980, and during the “Prime Thanksgiving” sale from October 16–19, it’ll be available for ¥5,980 — ¥6,000 off. Announced alongside it, the Fire TV remote control is slated for release on October 22, while the higher-end Fire TV Remote Plus isn’t due until 2027. On 5ch, rather than discussing the new features, commenters first zeroed in on complaints about past models, asking whether the freezing problem had finally been fixed. Opinion was further split over the new TV-USB-port charging method — some questioned its practicality since many TVs don’t have a free USB port to spare — while others asked what the point of a dedicated device even is when you can watch the same content on a phone or tablet.

    On September 30, Amazon announced new additions to the Fire TV lineup: the Fire TV Stick 4K, the Fire TV remote control, and the Fire TV Remote Plus. The Fire TV Stick 4K went on sale September 30; the Fire TV remote control is scheduled for release on October 22 (pre-orders starting September 30); and the Fire TV Remote Plus is planned for release in 2027.

    Fire TV Stick 4K

    The Fire TV Stick 4K is a slim, portable, 4K-capable streaming media player in stick form. It’s priced at ¥11,980. During the Prime Thanksgiving sale running October 16–19, it will be sold for ¥5,980 — ¥6,000 off.

    Source: pc.watch.impress.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousOct 1, 2026 19:53
    Forget all that — did they actually fix the freezing issue?
    9AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:30
    Re: #2
    Freezing has never been an issue for me — I'm on my third one and I've been using these for about 7 years.
    Why would it even freeze?
    Have you checked how much storage you're actually using?
    Probably installing apps nonstop with no memory left.
    10AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:50
    Re: #2
    Freezing happens maybe once every six months? And that's only if you're on external power and never turn it off.
    Fixing it is as simple as power-cycling once.
    Since this one draws power from the TV, if it regularly loses power that way, the problem might just take care of itself.
    11AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:13
    Re: #2
    Forget all that, just buying a new one is easier.
    3AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:01
    I literally just bought the 4K model back in May… wish they'd offer some kind of trade-in.
    4AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:18
    What kind of videos can you even watch on this thing?
    Amazon Prime Video?
    5AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:21
    Re: #4
    Seriously, you should try catching up with the times a little.
    6AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:24
    Re: #4
    'What kind of conversations can you even have on 5ch?' — sounds exactly like something someone who's never touched 5ch would say.
    So what would you say back to that?
    7AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:25
    They're bragging about how portable it is, but that just means Amazon knows exactly where you've taken it.
    And that's not even counting your voice data, if you're not careful.
    8AnonymousOct 1, 2026 20:28
    It's the most convenient way to get a TV online.
    Then again, if it's just internet you want, you don't even need a TV — any monitor with HDMI will do.
    But hotels and phones support casting these days anyway, so there's no real need to carry one of these around.
    13AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:16
    Re: #8
    If you just want internet, your phone's fine.
    12AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:16
    People are seriously still using that heavy old thing after 7 years?
    Feels worse than sticking with a flip phone.
    14AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:21
    I watch Prime Video almost entirely on my tablet.
    I barely touch my Fire TV, maybe once every six months.
    And every single time I try to use it, the remote fails to pair — 100% of the time.
    At this point I just unplug it and reset it before I even try.
    15AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:24
    Can you use this with a car navigation system?
    17AnonymousOct 1, 2026 21:36
    I lose the remote constantly, so the remote-finder feature is a lifesaver.
    18AnonymousOct 1, 2026 22:46
    All it does is let you watch the major streaming services on any monitor with an HDMI port — it has nothing to do with TVs specifically.
    Is this article just written to confuse clueless old folks into parting with their money?
    Impress [the publisher] has really gone downhill.
    19AnonymousOct 1, 2026 22:56
    What actually matters is how well it plays Samba/DLNA video.
    20AnonymousOct 1, 2026 23:32
    The one-touch buttons got a bit better.
    Now just swap the Netflix button for an ABEMA one. (ABEMA is a major Japanese streaming service)
    25AnonymousOct 2, 2026 00:30
    Re: #20
    That really comes down to personal taste.
    For me, Prime Video, Netflix, and ABEMA all work, but if I had to pick a must-have, it'd be Netflix.
    21AnonymousOct 1, 2026 23:38
    What about the Fire TV Cube? I've been waiting forever for the 4th generation.
    22AnonymousOct 1, 2026 23:42
    USB power? Makes no sense.
    Most TVs don't have a spare USB port lying around.
    Whoever wrote 'no power adapter needed' like it's some big win must be an idiot.
    23AnonymousOct 1, 2026 23:48
    I bought the model from two generations back and never use it at all…
    Does anyone actually use Amazon devices day to day?
    The Echo Show has garbage sound quality and is basically a bugging device — totally useless.
    24AnonymousOct 2, 2026 00:20
    How does it compare to the Max model?
    26AnonymousOct 2, 2026 01:05
    Just stick with the Prime button.
    A Netflix button is just in the way.
    27AnonymousOct 2, 2026 03:21
    Maybe it's for watching livestreams on your TV?
    Especially for people who can't make it to the venue in person.
    28AnonymousOct 2, 2026 03:33
    Re: #9
    It's specifically YouTube that freezes on a regular basis.
    Apparently that happens pretty often, from what people say.
    30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 05:38
    Re: #28
    My family uses other apps on it too, but I'm YouTube-only.
    Zero freezing for me. None at all.
    29AnonymousOct 2, 2026 05:11
    They haven't put out a new Fire tablet in a while — are they just going to let the line quietly die off?
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:00
    Re: #29
    I got handed an Amazon tablet someone wasn't using and tried to set it up — totally unusable. Google's own apps don't work on it. You have to start by unofficially sideloading the Google Play Store just to get anywhere. And even if it works on that version, there's no guarantee it survives the next update. The whole network-based ecosystem feels half-assed, worse than the hardware itself. Garbage in an instant. Get an Android tablet instead.
    If you want cheap, the Xiaomi Redmi Pad 2 is the best option, quality included.
    If you only ever use Amazon services, maybe it's fine, but that's about the extent of it. Apparently there's decent demand for these among kids in English-speaking markets, but kids' tablets live and die by content, and the Japanese-language content just isn't there.
    31AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:42
    Re: #30
    Do you actually look up the specs before you use these things?
    33AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:07
    The thing with Vega OS is you can't install outside apps on it. (Amazon's in-house OS)
    34AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:37
    For tablets, the iPad Air is really the only choice.
    If you don't have a PC at home, the Pro works too.
    36AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:21
    The Fire tablet was always basically just Amazon's own multimedia gadget to begin with — bringing this up now feels way too late.
    37AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:38
    Bought it when it was cheap, never use it.
    38AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:10
    Ads popping up during playback killed it for me — I stopped using it entirely.
    I watch comfortably now on a tablet with an ad blocker installed.
    If you're going to buy this, wouldn't you be better off just getting an Android TV and running an ad blocker on that?
    Terrestrial broadcasts can be watched on TVer these days anyway.
    39AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:16
    Put the USB power port on the opposite side from the HDMI adapter, not right next to it on the unit.
    40AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:22
    I'll grab one during the Prime Thanksgiving sale — the 3rd-gen HD model is way too sluggish to use anymore.
    41AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:32
    Honestly, I've just gotten tired of Prime Video.
    43AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:40
    Does this support WOWOW On Demand?

    4K programming from the five BS commercial broadcasters now streaming free on WOWOW On Demand. A-PAB press conference: "A new era for BS 4K is about to begin."
    https://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/2144955.html

    Background and Key Points of the Discussion

    Previously, the Fire TV Stick had to be powered via an AC adapter or USB cable, and the hassle of setting it up had been a recurring complaint. The new model switches to drawing power from the TV’s own USB port, touting adapter-free setup as a selling point — but since TV USB ports are often already occupied by things like recording HDDs, several commenters questioned how practical this really is. There’s also a history of the Fire TV Stick freezing during YouTube playback on past models, and the fact that commenters asked “did they fix the freezing?” before even discussing the new features speaks to just how much frustration existing users have built up. At the same time, with smartphones and tablets now able to stream the same services, some questioned what the point of a dedicated streaming device even is anymore, reopening debate over where the Fire TV Stick actually fits. Related news that came up in the same breath included the fact that Amazon hasn’t released a new Fire tablet model in some time, and the start of free 4K streaming on WOWOW On Demand.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary from the 5ch (Business News+) thread “[Product] Faster ‘Fire TV Stick 4K’ debuts, powered via the TV.”

  • Palantir CEO Secretly Bought 150km² of Swedish Forest — Local Hunters Found Out When Their Leases Got Cancelled

    It has emerged that Palantir CEO Alex Karp secretly purchased roughly 37,000 acres (about 150 square kilometers, or 15,000 hectares) of forest in northern Sweden. Local residents reportedly only found out about the purchase when hunters lost the long-standing hunting lease they’d used on the land for years. On Lemmy’s Europe community, discussion exploded over the purchase price and what the land might be used for, with speculation ranging from rising Nordic land values due to climate change to the construction of a data center. Meanwhile, plenty of voices criticized large-scale foreign land ownership and the sheer scale of billionaire wealth itself.

    Palantir CEO Alex Karp secretly purchased 37,000 acres of forest in Sweden. Local residents found out when hunters lost their land-use agreement (a hunting lease).

    Source: fortune.com / Read the original article here

    2Anonymous2026-10-01 07:46
    lokalhorst: 37,000 acres is 149.73 km², or 14,973.37 hectares
    7Anonymous2026-10-01 08:18
    snoons: Re: #2 Here's an example of how big 90km² is ([image])
    https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/56ad4c8d-4b8e-4b0f-a728-aec04c77cbc8.png
    16Anonymous2026-10-01 12:11
    noob: Re: #7 Where's the banana (the classic unit for scale comparisons)?
    4Anonymous2026-10-01 08:02
    susieq0044: Honestly, smart investment. As climate collapse worsens (which his own company is partly responsible for), land in the north is only going to get more valuable. Plenty of Europeans are already swapping southern France for Scandinavia as a vacation spot
    24Anonymous2026-10-01 21:09
    Loui: Re: #4 Assuming the AMOC (Atlantic meridional overturning circulation) doesn't collapse first
    5Anonymous2026-10-01 11:09
    WhatAmLemmy: Treat him as a hostile foreign actor, nationalize the land, and throw him in prison
    6Anonymous2026-10-01 09:07
    dracc: Re: #2 According to Swedish media it's actually 150km². He (or rather his company) paid 240 million Swedish kronor (about $20 million) for it, but thanks to the elevation there's barely any real forest on it. Buying it under the guise of 'forestry use' is a pretty transparent cover story
    8Anonymous2026-10-01 08:47
    devfuuu: Re: #3 Probably for their favorite sport — inviting rich people out to the vast forest to hunt humans
    9Anonymous2026-10-01 12:25
    melsaskca: Gotta love foreign capital. Who needs to become a citizen when you can just buy the government instead. And apparently you actually can /s
    10Anonymous2026-10-01 12:49
    MolochHorridus: Probably a post-apocalypse bunker, and until then it'll double as a hunting lodge for hunting poor people
    22Anonymous2026-10-01 15:38
    manxu: Re: #10 Wait, let me get this straight — is it 'a hunting lodge where poor people stay' or 'a lodge for hunting poor people'? /s
    11Anonymous2026-10-01 10:29
    DdCno1: And everyone who wants him to make a comeback too (same treatment)
    12Anonymous2026-10-01 17:22
    Mad_Punda: Re: #20 It'd be more energy-efficient to just launch him out of the solar system
    27Anonymous2026-10-01 18:28
    chahn.chris: Re: #12 I like it, let's go with that plan!
    34Anonymous2026-10-01 19:33
    JillyB: Re: #12 Played Outer Wilds and learned that flying into the sun is actually surprisingly easy
    13Anonymous2026-10-01 16:30
    CalemitousVariantK: Behold the face of the man who hunts humans on that land. He probably skipped a more discreet, remote island because he wanted lower latency for commanding drones in Ukraine
    14Anonymous2026-10-01 09:10
    dracc: Re: #3 Calling it a 'forest' is a stretch — that land sits right at or above the treeline. Apparently Karp is a skiing enthusiast and already owns multiple properties at Norwegian ski resorts. Still, 240 million kronor doesn't seem like an amount you could realistically recoup from that. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a data center on that land within 5 years
    19Anonymous2026-10-01 09:45
    killingspark: Re: #14 240 million kronor is roughly $24 million. According to Wikipedia, Alex Karp's net worth was over $18 billion as of 2025. So this is only about 1/800th of his net worth, 0.125%. As long as the rest of his assets keep earning, there's no need for this land to turn a profit anytime soon (correction: I had the exchange rate wrong — 1 krona is about $0.1, not $10)
    15Anonymous2026-10-01 21:54
    minorkeys: He's probably moving his assets into land before the AI bubble pops
    17Anonymous2026-10-01 15:06
    CovertOperative: Re: #16 It's right in the center, someone's holding it up in the town square
    18Anonymous2026-10-01 17:02
    pmk: Does he even know about 'Allemansrätten' (Sweden's 'everyman's right' to roam)?
    28Anonymous2026-10-01 19:38
    lambipapp: Re: #18 I bet he's going to clear-cut all of Härjedalen for a data center. Or maybe he's found his spot for a post-apocalypse shelter
    23Anonymous2026-10-01 16:14
    MolochHorridus: Re: #22 It's for hunting poor people
    25Anonymous2026-10-01 17:24
    Malica: I read somewhere that he paid under $600 per acre
    26Anonymous2026-10-01 09:30
    roserose56: Re: #39 Do you really think building more data centers is the solution?
    33Anonymous2026-10-01 09:51
    jdr: Re: #26 Nope, I don't
    37Anonymous2026-10-01 11:11
    LovelyMover: Apparently Singapore built one using human brain cells. It only uses as much power as an LED bulb, barely takes up any space, and you just need to feed the cells nutrients now and then to keep them alive. The brain cells handle all the processing themselves — it's genuinely tiny
    39Anonymous2026-10-01 08:24
    jdr: What's so interesting about that?
    29Anonymous2026-10-01 17:27
    vane: Re: #2 Small country, huh
    32Anonymous2026-10-01 10:04
    birdwing: Re: #3 Probably a data center, I'd guess
    35Anonymous2026-10-01 21:12
    Little1Lost: Re: #34 Finally, the bookmark feature works 😀 This person explains why it's not actually that simple: [link]
    38Anonymous2026-10-02 00:40
    stoly: Re: #20 There it is again, that argument: 'Leaving nature alone is bad for nature. Only humans can help it, and only by killing animals'

    Background and key points of this discussion

    This purchase isn’t unrelated to the nature of Palantir as a company. Known for AI-powered defense and intelligence work, Palantir is reportedly involved in military support for Ukraine, and some in the thread speculated about a connection to drone operations. Sweden has a traditional right called “Allemansrätten” (the ‘everyman’s right’), which lets anyone access and forage on private land, so large-scale private land ownership tends to create friction with this custom. Commenters also pointed out that Karp’s net worth reportedly exceeds $18 billion, making this purchase (roughly $24 million) only a small fraction of it. That said, it’s worth noting that the land’s specific intended use (a data center, a vacation home, or something else) remained pure speculation within the thread and is not a confirmed fact.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Lemmy c/europe) thread “Palantir CEO Alex Karp quietly purchased 37,000 acres of forests in Sweden—and locals found out when hunters lost leases to use the property“.

  • In Belgium It’s ¥3,600 — In Japan Just ¥900: Belgian Left Speechless by What’s ‘Cheap AND Delicious’

    A Belgian woman’s account of her stay in Japan was picked up by 5ch’s News Flash+ board. The trigger was her story that a meal costing 3,600 yen back home cost just 900 yen in Japan — and was delicious. The thread wasn’t all pride, though; plenty of sober comments like “That’s just people getting giddy over a weak yen” and “Belgium’s GDP per capita is 1.7 times Japan’s” came up too, splitting reactions between boasting about the cheap prices and worrying about what they actually mean.

    (Omitted)

    “Cheap, and…” — Moved by the food experience in Japan

    During her stay, what left the deepest impression on Morgan was the food.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    6AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:20
    What's so expensive about it?
    No matter how different the cost of living is, what ingredient makes a 1,000-yen bowl of ramen that pricey?
    Labor costs?
    154AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:48
    Re: #6
    Sure, prices and labor costs are on a completely different level, but eating out there is just expensive by default.
    Meals are something you eat at home.
    13AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:21
    So Japan lost to Belgium now too?
    From a Belgian's point of view, Japan is a poor country where people work for low wages

    Japan is a cheap, developing country
    Is that what this means?

    It's the same way Japanese people look down on Southeast Asia
    for having cheap food
    Since when did Japan become like this?
    84AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:35
    Re: #13
    Belgium's GDP per capita is 1.7 times Japan's
    Didn't realize the gap had gotten this big.
    90AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:36
    Re: #13
    Judging everything by "winning or losing" against other countries is the dangerous mindset here.
    Talking about the nation's "pride being hurt"
    who are you, some random individual, to even say that? lol
    225AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:59
    Re: #13
    Nothing's going to change until wages go up.
    This country is finished.
    28AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:24
    But lately I've started seeing a bunch of short videos pop up where Westerners say things like "Japan was a letdown" or "I'm cutting my trip short and going home."
    38AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:26
    Re: #28
    That's because the explosion of foreign workers has been dragging down service quality.
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:25
    Japanese people hesitate to even buy cup noodles if they cost more than 200 yen.
    49AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:27
    Re: #32
    I buy fresh noodles and make the soup myself —
    store-bought soup is too heavy to stomach.
    39AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:26
    This article isn't really something to feel smug about.
    It just means Japan is a country with lower prices than Belgium.
    Same structure as when Japanese people used to look down on Southeast Asia for being a place where you could fill up for 100 yen.
    54AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:28
    Re: #39
    No need to look down on anyone — Japan itself has become a country where a beef bowl costs 280 yen.
    72AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:33
    Energy prices have been soaring nonstop since the war in Ukraine started, and thanks to a system that looks perfect on paper — automatically indexing wages to inflation — Belgium right now is spiraling into runaway prices and a brutally widening gap between rich and poor.
    86AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:36
    Re: #72
    I'd say Japan has the bigger gap, honestly — only prices and the wages at a handful of elite companies are going up.
    99AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:37
    Belgium's famous for chocolate, but doesn't that mean they're still holding onto interests from their former colonies?
    118AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:42
    Re: #99
    Belgium's only former colony was the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire) — is that even a cacao-growing region? Never heard of it.
    119AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:42
    Traveling in Southeast Asia doesn't even feel all that cheap anymore, does it.
    125AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:43
    Re: #119
    You'd probably feel it if you traveled to the rural areas of Southeast Asia.
    168AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:50
    Re: #119
    Taiwan's already overtaken Japan.

    Thailand and Japan seem to be about even now.
    257AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:04
    I kept getting flooded with these kinds of videos on TikTok,
    but then I realized that even I, if I went abroad and got interviewed, would probably just say "this country is the best!" too — so now I take them with a grain of salt.
    285AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:09
    Re: #257
    Nobody bothers traveling to a country they dislike in the first place,
    so of course they're going to praise it.
    310AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:13
    Re: #257
    "This country is wild" — never thought I'd hear that said about this place.
    258AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:04
    So Japan's sushi is headed for 3,600 yen too, huh…
    273AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:07
    Re: #258
    Even now, 3,600 yen won't get you much in the way of proper sushi hand-made by an actual craftsman.
    274AnonymousOct 2, 2026 11:07
    Re: #258
    That's pretty much the going rate already, isn't it —
    though if you go somewhere cheap you can still eat for around 2,000 yen.

    Background and Key Points of This Discussion

    This kind of “Japan as seen from abroad” article is based on one tourist’s personal experience, so it’s worth remembering it doesn’t represent overall price levels. The thread’s point that “Belgium’s GDP is 1.7 times Japan’s” lines up with the real, long-term stagnation of Japan’s GDP per capita among major economies — it isn’t just exaggeration. Cheap eating out also comes down to the restaurant industry’s low-margin, high-volume business model and the strong culture of cooking at home. A weak yen makes prices look like a bargain to visitors, but the cost of imported ingredients and labor hits domestic consumers directly — so the very same “cheapness” ends up being read in opposite ways depending on which side of it you’re standing on.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “In Belgium It’s ¥3,600 — In Japan Just ¥900: Belgian Left Speechless by What’s ‘Cheap AND Delicious’.”

  • Kaito Kozono’s 2025 Stats: .309 Average, .753 OPS — Good or Not? 5ch Says ‘In a Low-Offense Era, That’s .800-Level’

    The 2025 season numbers of Hiroshima Toyo Carp shortstop Kaito Kozono (.309 average, 161 hits in 521 at-bats, 2 home runs, 61 RBI, .753 OPS) became a hot topic on 5ch. Posters pointed out that despite the high batting average, his OPS was low — a sign of weak power — and the discussion spread into comparisons with past greats like Ichiro, Kazuyoshi Tatsunami, and Hiroyuki Nakajima, factoring in his position and how he’s been used. Others pushed back, arguing the numbers “aren’t bad considering how low-scoring the game is these days,” splitting opinion right down the middle.

    1AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
    Is this 'ahe-tan' stat line (forum slang mocking a flashy average paired with near-zero power) really something to brag about?
    11AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:56
    Even this is considered decent by NPB standards overall — that's how many guys can't hit at all.
    28AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:09
    Re: #11
    I mean, it's a low-offense era.
    Ten years ago this would translate to an OPS over .800.
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:35
    Re: #11
    An OPS of .750 obviously puts you among the better hitters.
    14AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:57
    He's exactly the type of hitter Osamu Hayashi can't stand (TV pundit known for ripping into high-average, no-power hitters).
    50AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:38
    Re: #14
    Kozono's actually a similar type to Ichiro, isn't he —
    the kind whose stat line looks better than his actual contribution to the team.
    71AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:56
    Re: #50
    Huh?
    Ichiro could single-handedly swing or control a game.
    He's basically a souped-up Kinmoto.
    36AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:20
    A shortstop with the league's 6th-best OPS (didn't say he could field) — in another era, that's Nakajima-level.
    40AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:26
    Re: #36
    Guess it's all in how you spin it, lol
    64AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
    Somehow his reputation has dropped below Nene's at this point.
    65AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
    Re: #64
    Feels like Hiroshima might end up scooping up Nene once he gets released.
    67AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:51
    Re: #65
    Nah, Nene was a first-round pick, so that won't happen.
    Depending on the manager, he might get moved to a new position again next year,
    though that kind of conversion would probably only happen if someone like Kuwata became manager.
    87AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:11
    Kozono's numbers are just one season with shaky defense, so he's not Nakajima or Tatsunami, but
    if you're only looking at single-season hitting, yeah, he's in that range.

    Same logic as saying if Uehara or Matsuzaka pitched in today's game, they'd post an ERA in the low 1's.
    89AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:14
    Re: #87
    Nakajima and Tatsunami weren't great defenders either, though.
    94AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:20
    WAR doesn't really matter much here.
    Just let Kozono play whichever position is easiest for him defensively and he'd be plenty usable.

    But the Carp keep shuffling him around on defense instead of committing to developing him properly, so it ends up a half-baked arrangement.
    100AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:25
    Re: #94
    Where's that supposed to be?
    102AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:29
    Who's the better defender, him or Muramatsu?
    104AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:38
    Re: #102
    If we're talking Chunichi's Muramatsu, it's not even close — Muramatsu, hands down.
    113AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:56
    His OPS is about the same as Ichiro's, lol
    116AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:59
    Re: #113
    Have you never looked at Ichiro's OPS from his NPB days?
    122AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:04
    NPB-era Ichiro is basically Masataka Yoshida's hitting bumped up a notch, combined with No. 1 defense and baserunning in the league.
    The gap in class is just too huge.
    128AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:07
    Re: #122
    Look at wRC+ — Yoshida's comfortably higher.
    133AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:08
    Re: #122
    That's overhyping him a bit.
    As an all-around player Ichiro might be a tier above, but purely as a hitter, Yoshida's clearly better.
    123AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:05
    Even 20 years ago, .750 wouldn't have been an 'ahe-tan' line, and by today's standards he's comfortably a gap hitter.
    136AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:08
    Re: #123
    FYI the Central League's average OPS in 2018 was .754.
    And that includes pitchers' at-bats, of course.
    148AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:15
    He's genuinely top-tier.
    He's an elite player, and style-wise he's basically what Tatsunami used to be.
    153AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:18
    Re: #148
    Tatsunami was quietly an on-base machine, so the style's actually pretty different.
    155AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:19
    Re: #153
    Kozono led the league in OBP too, though.
    163AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:24
    Re: #155
    The eras are different, and it's a bit unfair to compare someone who should still be heading toward his peak with someone who completed a long career, but—

    career numbers:
    Kozono: .282 avg / .319 OBP
    Tatsunami: .285 avg / .366 OBP

    Tatsunami's career-long OBP is still higher than Kozono's number from his own best-ever, league-leading season.
    166AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:27
    Re: #163
    That's because the league OPS is off by about .100 between the two eras.
    168AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:29
    Re: #163
    The league OPS is off by about .100 between the two eras.
    Just looking at last year alone, he's in Tatsunami/Nakajima territory.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    OPS (on-base percentage plus slugging percentage) is a stat used to gauge a hitter’s overall offensive value, and .753 is considered slightly below league average. As noted in the thread, the Central League’s average OPS in 2018 was around .754 — and in today’s ongoing low-offense environment, the crux of the debate was that “the same number gets judged differently depending on the era.” Shortstop, Kozono’s primary position, also carries a heavy defensive workload, which complicates measuring his value by batting stats alone. Ichiro and Kazuyoshi Tatsunami are typically discussed in terms of career totals, and the thread doesn’t spell out that comparing them to a single season involves differences in era and years played. Note that later in the thread, unverified claims about Kozono’s personal conduct and legal matters came up; since the facts couldn’t be confirmed, this article omits that exchange.

    ※This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Kaito Kozono (2025): “.309 average (161-for-521), 2 HR, 61 RBI, .753 OPS” ← this wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww (lolololololololololol).”

  • From “¥300 Million Inheritance” to “¥1 Million in Cash” — 5ch Users Reveal Their Savings

    In response to the simple question “How much do you have saved?,” 5ch users piled in with specific figures one after another. The range ran wide — from cash savings in the low millions of yen, to tens of millions built up through stock investing, to a post claiming a ¥300 million inheritance from a parent — and plenty of replies openly doubted whether these claims were true. The thread then veered into how to actually pay inheritance tax on inherited real estate, with users discussing the deferred-payment system and renouncing an inheritance altogether. Also mixed in: a confession from someone whose sense of money got warped after their income topped ¥10 million for the first time, and a hard-luck story from a former insurance salesperson.

    4AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:46
    Re: #2
    That's monster money
    How'd you build that up?
    7AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:47
    Re: #4
    Just regular saving and investing
    Well, I'm single in my 40s, so I'm a "loser" 🥺 (self-deprecating slang for unmarried men seen as societal failures)
    14AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:51
    2700

    On this board, that's still nothing (presumably ¥27 million, with the "man"/10,000 unit dropped)
    15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:52
    Re: #14
    W-whoa… lol
    17AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:53
    Inherited ¥300 million from my parents
    Earned another ¥200 million myself
    From here on I can just live off passive income
    18AnonymousOct 2, 2026 06:54
    ¥9,999,999,999 trillion, 999 hundred-million, 999,999,999 (a deliberately absurd, joke mega-number)
    30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:45
    Re: #18
    Bottom line, that's basically everyone
    84AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:40
    Re: #18
    WOOOOOOOOO
    That's badass!
    22AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:07
    Still no proof posted ("up" = slang for uploading a screenshot as evidence)
    83AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:40
    Re: #22
    No way anyone's actually posting proof…
    If these guys could post proof, pigs would fly tomorrow
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
    About ¥200 million from inheritance
    (For context: I'm a virgin NEET shut-in)
    42AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:44
    Re: #32
    You clearly don't know the dark side of inheritance
    Money doesn't just magically land in your lap like that
    Inheritance tax is a weakening device GHQ planted in Japan

    It's become completely normal to have to sell the company or land you inherited just to cover the inheritance tax
    Because you can't pay it unless it's in cash

    Meanwhile, politicians apparently pay zero inheritance tax
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:06
    Re: #42
    Don't just drop something that pisses me off out of nowhere, damn it!
    This is supposed to be a thread for bragging about income and savings — don't suddenly hit us with uncomfortable truths, it's infuriating
    47AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:07
    Re: #42
    If what you're inheriting is cash, you can just pay the tax out of the money you received, no problem
    41AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:44
    Everyone's loaded. Economy must be picking up
    48AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:07
    Re: #41
    Obviously we should exclude the average-wrecking bullshit posts like
    >37
    >32
    >27
    >20
    >17
    >14
    >11, right?
    45AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:00
    You can write down any number you want, it doesn't cost anything
    49AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:08
    Cash: ¥1 million
    Stocks: about ¥7 million

    Want even more though
    52AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:13
    Re: #49
    If you've got ¥1 million, that's plenty! Baldy
    50AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:09
    Re: #45
    Still, lying anonymously doesn't accomplish anything, it's just empty
    51AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:12
    Re: #50
    In that case, can you show proof of that bank passbook with around ¥85 million in it?
    55AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:16
    Re: #51
    Nope, not gonna
    It's pointless, a hassle, and nothing but risk
    57AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:16
    Re: #51
    I've got just over ¥100 million, but only about ¥30 million of that is in bank deposits — the rest is sitting in investment trusts and NISA accounts, untouched.
    Since deposit insurance only covers up to ¥10 million, I doubt many people keep something like ¥80 million in a single bank.
    53AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:15
    Re: #47
    Then what about the land and the building? What are you supposed to do about those?
    54AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:15
    Whenever I see threads like this, I can never tell if people are bragging about being rich, bragging about being poor, or just dropping the "man" (10,000 yen) unit
    64AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:20
    Re: #54
    It'd be hilarious if Re: #1, who's married, turns out to have a grand total net worth of like ¥690
    59AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:18
    ¥1.7 million
    But I'm buying a ¥1.5 million PC to go with GTA6
    And that's just fine by me
    62AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:19
    Re: #59
    Won't that leave you struggling to get by?
    70AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:29
    Re: #53
    If you can't pay, just sell the inherited land to cover it
    74AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:32
    Re: #70
    Re: #47
    What if you want to inherit land and a building from your parents but can't afford the tax on it?
    76AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:33
    Re: #74
    Isn't renouncing the inheritance the only option?
    77AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:34
    Re: #74
    Use the deferred-payment system and pay it off in installments
    71AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:29
    About ¥2 million combined between my household and personal accounts, plus maybe ¥12-14 million in stocks
    I'm a blue-collar worker myself making ¥3 million a year, so most of it's from inheritance
    Grateful my parents owned their home outright with zero debt
    82AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:39
    Re: #71
    Where did the capital for that company come from? When, and how?
    79AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:37
    I think banks offer inheritance-tax loans for situations like this
    81AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:39
    Re: #79
    Probably because even if you inherit land, it takes time to turn it into cash?
    92AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    For a ¥50 million property inherited by one person, after deductions the inheritance tax comes out to around ¥1.6 million — that's nothing
    If anything, it'd be worrying if you couldn't even afford that much
    100AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:47
    Re: #92
    What if you don't have any cash savings?
    97AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:46
    Up until last year I was making around ¥4 million a year, but I went independent, landed a big job, and now both this year and next I'm guaranteed to clear ¥10 million
    It's messing with my sense of money
    108AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:02
    Re: #97
    I feel you, buddy
    I screwed up too — ended up at a brutally abusive company working as an insurance salesman for a major life insurer
    Over 3 years: ¥40 million in sales/commission on insurance premiums, a nominal annual salary of ¥10 million but take-home of only ¥6 million, which plunged me into dire poverty — that fatal blow is what made me switch jobs
    After moving to a competitor in the same industry, my annual income recovered to over ¥7 million every year since. Best decision ever

    Background and Key Points on This Topic

    Threads asking “how much have you saved?” are a 5ch staple, and the unspoken rule is to take them with a huge grain of salt. True to form, one reply here dismissed the “¥300 million inheritance” post as “basically a lie,” underscoring that the whole thread runs on self-reported, unverifiable claims. That said, the discussion around inheritance tax is grounded in real practice: when inherited assets aren’t cash, options like paying in installments through the deferred-payment system, or renouncing the inheritance entirely if the burden is too much, genuinely exist. The claim that GHQ (the postwar Allied occupation authority) deliberately planted the inheritance tax to weaken Japan is nothing more than an urban legend — the current inheritance tax system was actually built up through postwar tax reforms. Also worth noting: since posters don’t distinguish between “savings,” “assets,” “annual income,” and “take-home pay,” the same figure of “¥100 million” can mean very different things depending on whether it’s cash deposits or total assets including investment funds — something to keep in mind while reading.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry, aka “Geha”) board thread “[For Geha Folks] How Much Have You Got Saved? [Nest Egg].”

  • Japan Beats Ecuador on Penalties, But Still No New Talent Emerges — Sergio Echigo’s Criticism Splits 5ch

    Japan faced Ecuador in the Kirin Cup and won 4-3 on penalties after playing to a scoreless 0-0 draw. In his Nikkan Sports column, Sergio Echigo (81) lamented a first half that offered little to watch, and criticized the fact that no clear new talent has emerged across Japan’s three matches so far. On 5ch, discussion spread around frustration with manager Hajime Moriyasu’s tendency to stick with the same core group of players, and debate over why no new talent is breaking through — while some pushed back, noting Ecuador had a full week of rest compared to Japan’s three-day turnaround, arguing “Ecuador’s own conditions should be factored in too.” Rather than the match itself, it was the evaluation of squad selection and lineup policy that split opinion.

    <Kirin Cup: Japan 0 (5 PK 4) 0 Ecuador> ◇October 1 ◇Nissan Stadium

    Japan (ranked 17th by FIFA) faced Ecuador (ranked 25th), both sides having been eliminated in the round of 32 at this summer’s World Cup across North and Central America, and won on penalties after a 0-0 draw. Nikkan Sports columnist Sergio Echigo (81) lamented a first half that was especially short on highlights, and voiced unease that no solid new talent has emerged across the three matches so far.

    In a similar penalty shootout the night before at the Asian Games, the “younger sibling” team (the U-21 squad) came through; tonight it was the “older sibling’s” turn. But since the older sibling was playing at home, I at least wanted to see them push forward a bit more.

    Source: nikkansports.com / Original article here

    3AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:39
    That's the team Korea (the self-styled "big brother") beat 3-0, easy. (Japan) still can't seem to catch up, huh.
    22AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:04
    Re: #3
    Korea lost 1-4 to Uruguay.
    4AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:40
    Wait, didn't this guy die already? Is this Sergio Echigo the Second?
    6AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:41
    But Poichi (nickname for coach Moriyasu) has run this team for eight years and built up absolutely nothing.
    He just lines up whatever players developed on their own.
    And the moment those guys break down or get old, it's "oh noooo, we're doomed."
    He tries to add some flair by calling up guys like Shiogai, but in the end it's just a gimmick and nothing comes of it.
    58AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:56
    Re: #6
    It wasn't really Tanimura's fault — it was Suzuki Yuito missing shot after shot that killed it.

    Tanaka Ao's incredible vertical pass → Tanimura → Suzuki Yuito, and it still didn't end in a goal — that's rough.

    https://x.com/98sep10/status/2105637314286477595
    59AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:57
    Re: #58
    That blazing-fast through ball, Premier League-honed, was something else.
    66AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:14
    Re: #58
    With a pass as sluggish as Tanaka's, the defense has time to reset its shape, so it never actually becomes a threat.
    8AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:42
    Getting paid just to sit there and complain — what a sweet gig.
    10AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:46
    We all saw the hopeless gap against the football powerhouses at the last World Cup.
    Until Japan closes that gap, none of this even matters.
    12AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:47
    A garbage pitch and garbage attack from both sides — no wonder it ended in a total "salt" match (5ch slang for a dull, scoreless draw).
    15AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
    The reason Moriyasu's squad racks up so many injuries is that he has them playing this "unity and grit" style even in friendlies — he's got them doing intense defending in exhibition matches of all things.
    I thought, this guy must be an idiot. He should just quit already.
    16AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:52
    Oh come on, bro — isn't tonight, into the small hours, 8:00(?), the Venezuela match? Let's go cheer them on, bro! (comment uses deliberately garbled, baby-talk-style spelling as a joke)
    17AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:53
    > Just like the host prefecture's team at the Kokutai (National Sports Festival, where the host region's team mysteriously does well), Japan will probably end up winning gloriously in the end.

    That's Sergio for you —
    he's seen right through just how rigged the Kokutai really is.
    20AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:56
    This guy, and honestly everybody else, never brings up the fact that Ecuador had a full week of rest — that's what makes none of this feel trustworthy.
    Especially with the Uruguay match, people were desperate to cry "traveled from the other side of the planet! time difference! fatigue!!!!"
    By that logic Ecuador should have steamrolled Japan.
    Honestly, maybe it's South America's declining level we should be worrying about, not Japan's.

    If new players could just pop up one after another that easily, nobody would have any trouble.
    Grown adult still thinking like it's a video game, huh? (lit. "game brain")
    21AnonymousOct 2, 2026 07:57
    The reason Matsuki never gets a look-in is that Moriyasu only trusts his usual regulars ("itsumen"). That's exactly why the squad never gains any depth, and why both the Asian Cup and the World Cup ended in failure. Playing matches like this over and over is pointless.
    23AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:06
    Moriyasu's only sticking around until the Asian Cup anyway, so none of this really matters at this point.
    Feels like all he wants are fill-ins to hold the fort until his "strongest lineup of regulars" is fully assembled again.
    24AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:06
    Re: #5
    The weight of a single goal, the catharsis when the balance finally breaks —
    if you can't appreciate that, go watch basketball or volleyball.

    The thrill of unexpected plays born from team coordination —
    if you can't appreciate that, go watch baseball.

    But hey, watch it however you like.
    30AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:10
    Is Japan's lack of finishing some kind of chronic illness? It never gets cured no matter how much time passes…
    32AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:13
    Re: #30
    Isn't South America's finishing pretty lacking too, though?
    81AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:42
    Re: #30
    What were you even watching at that World Cup?
    The team that won was the one that decided individual finishing has its limits, so they'd raise their organizational strength instead.
    38AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:25
    Well, new talent isn't really necessary anyway.
    Moripo's (nickname for Moriyasu) only goal is the Asian Cup, so the players he's used for the past eight years are more than enough.
    The only one who's actually retired from the national team is Endo.
    And if the center-backs start dropping like flies again, don't worry, he'll just casually call Taniguchi back up too.
    45AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:40
    Re: #38
    At this point just commit and go down together.
    46AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:43
    Re: #39
    Name one country that actually got stronger because its supporters were harsh on it.
    50AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
    Re: #46
    The first one that comes to mind is… Big-Brother-land. (i.e., Japan itself, using the sarcastic "oniichan" nickname)
    51AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:49
    Re: #44
    Why is Sergio only ever condescending toward Japan, I wonder?
    52AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:51
    Re: #51
    Of course he talks down to them — he's above them, so that's just natural.
    54AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:53
    Re: #52
    But he's the same guy who tells Japanese people to stop being condescending about Chinese football.
    55AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:54
    Re: #52
    He defends every other Asian country, yet only ever criticizes Japanese football.
    53AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:52
    Re: #50
    Japan's World Cup results keep getting worse though.
    So yeah, guess no such country exists after all.
    84AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:54
    Re: #53
    But it's still fresh in memory that big brother (Japan) took down a Germany and a Portugal that were both playing all-in, backs-against-the-wall football, right?
    62AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:08
    [Sergio Echigo] Takefusa Kubo still isn't really "Real Madrid" after all… Is there even a Japanese player who's truly moved to a big club in the real sense?
    https://www.soccerdigestweb.com/news/detail/id=63182
    August 23, 2019

    And no matter how often this comes up afterward, it just keeps getting ignored.
    70AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:17
    Re: #62
    I think what he's getting at is that they haven't actually been performing well.

    Background and Key Points of This Debate

    Sergio Echigo has spent years writing sharply critical columns about Japanese football for Nikkan Sports, and his complaint here that “no new talent is emerging” isn’t a new claim — it’s simply an extension of an argument he’s made repeatedly over time. Meanwhile, within the thread, some replies point out that while Japan played on a three-day turnaround, Ecuador had a full week of rest since its previous match — a scheduling gap that a simple strength comparison doesn’t capture, and one that’s easy to miss from the article summary alone. Also, the “older sibling” and “younger sibling” language in the article refers to the senior national team (“older sibling”) winning its shootout the night after the U-21 team (“younger sibling”) won its own shootout at the Asian Games — a turn of phrase from within the column itself — which is a different, unrelated usage from the “oniichan” (big bro) nickname that keeps popping up in the 5ch replies, so the two shouldn’t be confused. Evaluations of Moriyasu’s player selection also mix two different yardsticks — Asian Cup results versus World Cup results — which is part of why opinion in the thread is so divided.

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary from the 5ch (Geisoku Sokuho+) thread “[Soccer] Sergio Echigo: Older brother, I wish you’d pushed forward just a bit more… New talent still hasn’t emerged.”

  • National Tax Agency Reveals Salary Breakdown for 51.63 Million Workers — Most Common Bracket Is the ¥3 Million Range

    According to the Private Sector Salary Survey released by the National Tax Agency on September 29, the average annual salary among 51.63 million salaried workers who worked continuously throughout fiscal 2025 (Reiwa 7) was ¥4.87 million. However, the largest bracket sits below that average: the ¥3-4 million range, with 7.99 million people, or 15.5% of the total. On 5channel, the gap between this breakdown and claims that “I heard the average was around ¥7 million” became a talking point, along with the income gaps between regular employees, non-regular workers, the self-employed, and company executives — and posters ended up comparing their own salaries with each other.

    (details omitted)

    What does the annual salary breakdown look like? The biggest group, at 15.5%, is in the ¥3 million range

    The survey covers 51.63 million “salaried workers employed throughout the year” — those who worked continuously from January through December of fiscal 2025. Their average salary is ¥4.87 million, but the bracket with the largest number of people isn’t at that average.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    4AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:53
    But didn't the government say the average was around ¥7 million?
    10AnonymousOct 2, 2026 08:57
    Re: #4

    That's because the National Personnel Authority survey (used to benchmark civil servant pay) only covers large corporations.
    210AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:14
    Re: #4
    Because that stat only counts large companies.
    34AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:06
    Even making ¥10 million a year, I've never once felt like life was great. No hobbies, I drive a kei car (Japan's mini-car class), and all I do on days off is play video games.
    79AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:20
    Re: #34
    That doesn't mean the money actually piles up, though.
    I make ¥16 million a year and totally get it.
    190AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:01
    Re: #79
    Feel that.
    I make ¥25 million and yeah, same feeling.
    216AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:20
    Re: #79
    Re: #190
    Lol, a salary-flexing contest breaking out on a weekday afternoon.
    Guess I'll throw in my ¥30 million then lol
    49AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:11
    Knew it.
    And they call this the longest economic boom ever, with insane price hikes and a tax burden so heavy it's basically "50% to the government, 50% to you" (a reference to the old feudal peasant tax rate).
    57AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:13
    Re: #49
    Maybe that's groundwork for a rate hike…

    Gasoline subsidies plus an ultra-low birthrate society make the leading economic index easy to push up.
    63AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:14
    Re: #49
    That tax burden rate is just calculated from income.
    Consumption tax, gasoline tax, and the rest get taken on top of that, so it doesn't stop at 50%.
    113AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:34
    Under ¥4 million a year — is that basically working just to survive?
    You can't really spend money after work or on your days off, right?
    122AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:37
    Re: #113
    Probably married, right? (With the husband as the main breadwinner)
    128AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:39
    Re: #113
    That's basically what life looks like in a developing country. And that's the biggest income bracket there is.
    143AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    Re: #113
    5channel built its whole identity on the "whoever works, loses" mentality.
    139AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:42
    I make ¥2.3 million a year but I still save ¥800,000 annually.
    142AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:43
    Re: #139
    Here comes the "NISA-poor" guy (someone who scrimps on living expenses to max out their tax-free investment account).
    145AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:44
    Re: #139
    That's doable if you're still living with your parents.
    147AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:45
    Men
    Regular employees: ¥6.23 million
    Non-regular: ¥2.70 million
    Women
    Regular employees: ¥4.44 million
    Non-regular: ¥1.79 million
    166AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:51
    Re: #147
    90% of executives are men, and that pulls up the average for male regular employees too — that's part of why the gender gap looks the way it does.
    175AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:56
    Re: #166
    Executive pay is on a completely different level, so it drags the whole average up with it.
    194AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:04
    Re: #166
    Executives are included in the overall figure, but they're excluded from both the "regular employee" and "non-regular employee" breakdowns.
    The number for male regular employees is the average for ordinary male regular employees who aren't executives.
    156AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:48
    What's with the under-¥2 million bracket?
    They should only count full-time workers in this stat.
    172AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:55
    Re: #156
    A lot of that is small-scale farmers out in the countryside lol
    Nice try though.
    180AnonymousOct 2, 2026 09:57
    Re: #172
    Small-scale farmers probably aren't incorporated, so wouldn't their income not count as salary income?
    But if farming alone can't pay the bills and they're also working a part-time job, that part-time pay would count as salary income.
    If that's what you mean, then that group might be the under-¥2 million part-timers.
    198AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:08
    Re: #172
    This is salary income we're talking about.
    If they're working full-time, wouldn't that be illegal (i.e., below minimum wage)?
    200AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:09
    Re: #194
    Where does it say that?
    214AnonymousOct 2, 2026 10:16
    Re: #200
    It's clearly stated in the survey report that executives are broken out separately.



    For reference, here are the latest figures for executives, regular employees, and non-regular workers:

    【Executives】
    Overall average: ¥7.86 million
    Male average: ¥9.00 million
    Female average: ¥4.97 million

    【Regular employees】
    Overall average: ¥5.59 million
    Male average: ¥6.23 million
    Female average: ¥4.43 million

    【Non-regular】
    Overall average: ¥2.09 million
    Male average: ¥2.69 million
    Female average: ¥1.79 million

    Background and Key Points

    These figures come from the National Tax Agency’s Private Sector Salary Survey, covering 51.63 million salaried workers employed throughout the year. Against an average of ¥4.87 million, the largest bracket actually sits below that, in the ¥3 million range — a reminder that the average alone can be misleading about the real picture. The thread’s claims that “the government said the average was ¥7 million” appear to stem from mixing up figures that cover different populations, such as civil-servant pay surveys or statistics weighted toward large corporations. It’s also worth noting that conflating the overall average — which includes executive compensation — with the separate averages for regular and non-regular employees can obscure what’s really driving the gap between men’s and women’s earnings.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5channel (News Express+) thread “Distribution of 51.63 Million Salaried Workers Released by the National Tax Agency on September 29 — Largest Bracket Is the 7.99 Million People Earning ¥3-4 Million.”