10 Years on Welfare, Over ¥20 Million Total: 5ch Thread Debates Fairness, Questions Grade 1 Disability Standards

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The story

A thread on 5ch’s “Nanmoshi” (何でも実況, lit. “anything-goes live”) board blew up after a poster revealed they’d just entered their 10th year on seikatsu hogo — Japan’s public welfare/assistance program. The poster reportedly holds Grade 1 physical disability certification, and commenters quickly calculated that total payments over the decade have topped ¥20 million (roughly $133,000). The thread aired some quirks of the system — “benefits don’t stop even if you game or browse the internet all day,” “you can even travel abroad” — while also drawing skepticism over how strict the Grade 1 disability standard really is, and spiraling into a broader debate over whether minimum-wage workers or welfare recipients actually come out ahead financially.

What people said

1Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:38:26.94
Well, happy Halloween to you too, I guess.
4Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:39:45.90
Wait, you don't get in trouble for gaming or browsing the internet while on welfare?
If you can just play around and live off it, that's kind of enviable.
7Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:41:05.39
Re: #4
You can even travel abroad.
19Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:47:41.28
Re: #4
Japan's Constitution guarantees citizens the right to a healthy and "culturally" minimum standard of living.
So whether you game or browse the internet, they can't just cut your welfare off.
8Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:42:14.86
Guess I'll go pay a ton of taxes for OP then 😤
9Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:42:58.87
Re: #8
75% of it comes from the national treasury, so…
counting on you (taxpayers).
10Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:43:18.74
Living the winner's life, as usual.
Having a job is really over, huh.
13Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:45:40.88
Re: #10
Payments have topped ¥20 million, after all.
And that's before you add in all the other disability perks.
11Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:43:48.94
How do you even get through the interviews with the welfare office staff?
Doesn't it hurt to get lectured by, or sighed at by, someone younger than you?
14Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:46:01.26
Re: #11
I have a doctor's note saying I'm unfit for work, so none of that happens.
17Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:47:22.64
Re: #11
Isn't that better than working and getting looked down on by someone younger every single day?
You barely even see your caseworker anyway — like once a year, if that.
12Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:45:00.75
He's disabled anyway, right?
15Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:47:15.37
Re: #12
Yep. The Grade 1 disability supplement is attached too, so the amount's bigger.
26Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:52:02.99
Re: #15
Grade 1 is supposed to mean you're in and out of hospital constantly, basically bedridden, and could die at any moment.
16Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:47:20.93
Just a bit over ¥20 million in 10 years?
Kind of enviable, but honestly that's less than I expected.
22Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:48:44.20
Re: #16
Well, consider that it's all take-home — no taxes taken out.
18Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:47:30.30
What happens if the government says, "Sorry, we're out of money, we can't keep funding welfare, we're ending it"?
42Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:56:27.68
Re: #18
Has that actually happened? lol
Come back and say that once it does.
45Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:57:47.33
Re: #18
If that ever happens, it means there's a global nuclear war going on, so it doesn't count.
21Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:48:28.90
Posted that before I finished typing, sorry —
Re: #17
Working and getting looked down on by someone younger every day is messed up though…
39Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:56:02.35
Re: #21
It's less about being looked down on every day and more that getting nagged by a caseworker once in a while beats piling up work stress daily, mentally speaking, no? If you don't see it that way, that's just a difference in perspective — no reason for either of us to be right or wrong about it.
41Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 19:56:18.49
Grade 1 certification criteria (general guidelines):

• Daily living activities: Difficulty independently eating, bathing, maintaining hygiene, etc. — help from others is essential.
• Going out / mobility: Difficulty going to medical appointments or outside alone.
• Money / medication management: Difficulty managing these on one's own; constant support from others is needed.
• Employment status: Working is essentially impossible.

OP has the physical-disability Grade 1, right?
Grade 1 for a psychiatric disability means being unable to communicate at all.
62Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:04:39.10
Re: #59
There really are plenty of people like that in real life, so calling it fake certification based on this alone just shows ignorance.
63Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:05:49.67
Re: #62
Apparently the Grade 1 standard is what's in Re: #38 and Re: #41 — are there really that many people with depression or developmental disorders who get Grade 1?
71Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:15:56.86
Re: #69
You can sit this one out.
I'm asking the person who posted Re: #62.
48Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:00:07.45
I mean, it's just wrong that welfare (namapo) pays better than a bottom-rung job.
86Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:25:26.97
Re: #48
Minimum wage is over ¥1,000/hour just about everywhere now, and people on welfare "work" way fewer hours than that, don't they — since they don't work at all.
89Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:26:49.44
Re: #86
The real question is: work 8 hours a day at ¥1,500/hour for 20 days a month, and how much do you actually end up with?
92Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:30:52.63
Re: #89
And then take taxes out of that — how much is actually left?
113Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 21:03:43.11
Re: #89
Just under ¥200,000, I'd say.
Workers can put the leftover into investments, so welfare still loses out — purely in money terms.
52Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:01:15.26
Sounds like they can hold a normal conversation just fine. What exactly is supposed to be "abnormal" here?
58Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:02:40.75
Re: #52
I have depression, so I can't always be cheerful and chatty with people like a normal working adult, and I have a developmental disorder, so there's forgetfulness and lateness too.
59Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:03:27.82
Re: #58
Maybe flesh out your backstory a bit more before you start your next thread.
66Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:07:39.66
Re: #58
You've never worked a day, so what are you even basing that on?
Plenty of people with depression or developmental disorders hold down jobs just fine.
65Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:06:26.44
It's honestly a mystery why homeless people don't just go on welfare.
They should be able to get it without any issue — maybe they just don't know how?
67Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:10:25.19
Re: #65
Too many apartments won't rent to you without a guarantor, even if you line up a guarantor company.
And places like "muteihaku" (free/low-cost lodging houses for the poor) are basically cramped box rooms with strict rules that a lot of people don't want to put up with. So some end up choosing homelessness instead.
73Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:16:34.15
Re: #65
Those types tend to be stubborn people who used to look down on welfare to begin with.
There are still tons of people like that around, right — the ones always bashing welfare recipients?
When people like that hit rock bottom, they can't bring themselves to go to the welfare office, so they end up homeless instead — or worse, they take their own lives.
69Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:13:21.28
Re: #63
I think a developmental disorder alone would be tough to qualify on, but severe depression can get you permanent certification, so…
103Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:46:54.77
Re: #69
With depression, a lot of people don't even get Grade 2, let alone Grade 1 — that's basically unheard of.
Grade 1 is almost entirely people with schizophrenia who are permanently committed to closed psychiatric wards.
91Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:30:22.61
I don't want to work next to someone who's just stressful to have around, so I get why welfare needs to exist — but is it really okay for welfare to pay out more than pensions do?
93Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:31:15.75
Re: #91
Honestly, if you're only drawing the basic national pension (kokumin nenkin), I do wonder what your situation even was.
If anything, it's scarier that someone who worked a solid career can still only get around ¥200,000 from the employee pension (kosei nenkin), lol.
98Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:33:37.92
Re: #93
The basic national pension is garbage, sure, but I'm talking about the employee pension — factor in medical costs and welfare still wins out.
101Anonymous2026/10/30 (Fri) 20:45:56.07
Re: #93
• Only 18.8% of (pension) recipients get ¥200,000 or more a month.
• Over 80% get less than ¥200,000 a month.

Background and the key points of debate

Under Japan’s welfare system, municipalities front the payments and the national treasury reimburses three-quarters of the cost, so the thread’s claim that “75% comes from the national treasury” is roughly accurate. Where opinion split was over how to read the Grade 1 disability certification standard. Grade 1 is meant for severe cases requiring constant care — cycling in and out of hospitalization, for instance — so some posters were skeptical that a psychiatric or developmental disorder could qualify someone for that grade, while others pushed back, noting that such certifications genuinely do exist. The thread also drifted into a simple comparison between a minimum-wage worker’s take-home pay and the total welfare payout, but it’s worth noting that actual welfare amounts vary widely depending on household makeup, region, and whether medical assistance is included — so the “¥20 million over 10 years” figure cited in the thread shouldn’t be read as a typical case.

*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nanmoshi board) thread “[Sad News] Me, a Welfare Recipient, Just Entered My 10th Year on Welfare lmaooooo.”

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