Online Debate Erupts Over Welfare Payment Levels: 5ch Says ‘Cutting It Would Be Japan’s Shame’

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On 5ch’s “Nandemo Jikkyo G” board, a debate spread after someone argued that welfare recipients shouldn’t try to live at the same standard as working people. Monthly welfare payments are said to run around ¥110,000 per person, and many commenters pointed out that once rent and utilities are deducted, almost nothing is left over for food and daily necessities. At the same time, there were posts mocking recipients and arguments that the system itself should be scaled back, with the thread splitting between those who see it as “the last safety net, so it must be protected” and those who insist “fraud and freeloading shouldn’t be tolerated.”

What people said

7AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:22
Welfare (ナマポ, mocking slang for seikatsu hogo) itself is fine, but let's at least limit it to prepaid cards that only work on daily necessities
8AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:24
Re: #7
Who decides that, and how? Is a ¥500 beef bowl okay but a ¥2000 lunch isn't?
30AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:35
Re: #30
Is living on just ¥110,000-130,000 a month really something to envy? That's supposed to cover rent, utilities — everything.
32AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:36
Re: #30
Even if it's "all included," doesn't that stuff usually get reduced or waived anyway?
51AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:41
Re: #30
Exactly. It's a true last-resort safety net, so when recipients act cocky online it does real damage — worst case, it gets abolished. Please don't.
35AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:37
The number of people on welfare (ナマポ) isn't huge, and the number of people who think it's wasted tax money isn't huge either, right? So what's the actual problem? Someone explain it to me.
56AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:43
Re: #35
I don't want to end up needing it, but it's the last lifeline for when injury or illness leaves you unable to work and your savings run out — I don't want it gone. That said, abuse and lazy reliance on it is a different story.
40AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:39
I always wonder this — what kind of person is out there furiously bashing welfare recipients online on a weekday afternoon?
43AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:40
Re: #40
And what are you, then? On welfare yourself? Is having a lunch break at this hour weird? Ever had a job in your life?
52AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:42
Re: #40
Half the regulars on なんG (note: this board's community, NanJ) are already retired and living off pensions.
60AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:44
Re: #40
It's not even about defending them — the people bashing them like that are pretty sketchy themselves.
44AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:40
Huh? I'm currently job-hunting on unemployment benefits right now. Something wrong with that?
50AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:41
Re: #44
That's basically one step away from welfare. Good luck out there.
46AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:40
Look: out of that ¥110,000, even in a run-down cheap apartment, rent and utilities alone eat up at least ¥40,000 no matter how you cut it. That leaves ¥70,000. Cut corners to the bone and, with inflation these days, food still eats up ¥35,000. That leaves barely ¥30,000-something for everything else — that's a worse life than your average broke college student. You really want that?
55AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:43
Re: #50
Well, it's a system you qualify for as long as you meet the conditions.
58AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:44
Re: #55
"You get it if you meet the conditions" — that's the same setup as welfare, then. Good that you're making use of it.
64AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:47
Re: #58
One's a system you get by working, the other anyone living in Japan can get. But if you have no income, there's no way you'd live at the same level as someone earning their own. Is that really such a hard concept?
67AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:49
Re: #64
I wasn't even talking about that — where'd that come from all of a sudden? It's fine to take what you're entitled to.
65AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:47
Welfare is supposed to represent a country's bare-minimum standard of living, right? Cutting it feels like a disgrace for Japan.
69AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:50
Re: #65
Can't help it — even that Kenkasu guy (note: a commentator referenced on 5ch) said Japan isn't a developed country anymore. No point putting on airs.
73AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:53
Re: #65
In other countries people just die in the streets all the time, so it's not seen as a problem there. Japan overprotects.
75AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:53
Re: #65
Well, it's a declining country. Both welfare and pensions need to come down.
84AnonymousOct 27, 2026 13:59
Why isn't there a time limit on it?
86AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:01
Re: #84
So if you lose both your legs you'd only get it for like a year? lol
87AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:02
Re: #86
That's what disability pension is for. And honestly, within a year you could find work through disability employment programs anyway.
91AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:06
Guy glued to an anonymous internet forum on a weekday afternoon: "WELFARE IS BAAAAAD!!!!!!"
93AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:07
Re: #91
Well, that's because he's a working man.
99AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:12
There was that outrageous guy a while back who said he was writing on Naro (note: Shousetsuka ni Naro, a popular web-novel site) while on welfare, and quit writing because it would get his benefits cut — like, what's wrong with this system, huh?
102AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:14
Re: #99
I don't get what's so outrageous about it. I actually think it's welfare's biggest flaw. For an average person, landing a full-time job and suddenly pulling in ¥200,000+ a month just doesn't apply to someone vulnerable enough to be on welfare in the first place. If you physically can't work long hours, or your work or medical history keeps you from landing a full-time job, you end up earning less than what welfare pays — and then your welfare gets cut by that same amount. Of course people drift toward not working under those conditions.
103AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:17
Re: #99
It's supposed to be support for people who can't become self-sufficient, but it backfires when becoming self-sufficient actually leaves you worse off, so people stop trying — that's completely backwards. They call it a minimum living guarantee, but because it's not set up so that earning your own way is clearly better, you get people thinking like this, and that's exactly the problem.
105AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:17
Re: #99
He's probably a light-novel writer anyway.
108AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:21
Re: #102
So basically: he found a way to earn about as much as welfare pays within his own lifestyle, but since working wouldn't change his income, he just doesn't work.

There's no way it's healthy to not work when you're capable of working. Sure, I get that there's a problem with the system, but the problem isn't that benefits get reduced or cut off — it's that people like that can't be cut loose.
109AnonymousOct 27, 2026 14:22
Re: #108
But cutting them loose would be unconstitutional — so what do you do about that?

Background and Key Points of This Debate

Welfare benefit amounts are calculated from the “minimum cost of living” set by the Minister of Health, Labour and Welfare, and vary by region and household composition. The roughly ¥110,000-a-month figure that came up in the thread is a rough estimate for a single-person household combining living assistance and housing assistance — it’s easy to overlook that medical and nursing-care costs are, in principle, covered separately. The debate centered on two main points: whether there should be restrictions on how benefit money can be spent, and how to judge the system in which benefits are gradually reduced as earned income rises. The latter is often behind the complaint that “working doesn’t improve your standard of living,” but this tends to be flagged as a flaw in the system’s design rather than a failing of individual recipients. In the thread, criticism of fraud and freeloading got tangled up with the separate question of whether the welfare system itself is even necessary, without the two being clearly sorted out — and the fact that different posters were using the same word “welfare” with different underlying assumptions is part of what made the discussion talk past itself.

※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Sad News] Japanese People: “Welfare Recipients Shouldn’t Try to Live Like Workers”.”

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