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A paper by a research team from IBM, Rutgers University, and others reporting the observation of a “phase transition from quantum chaos to order” — achieved through repeated measurement-and-reset cycles in a 100-qubit experiment — was published in Nature Physics on October 9. On 5ch’s Science News+ thread, opinions split over just how close this result actually brings quantum computers to practical use. Some posters, recalling past “quantum bubble” collapses, warned that this was just hype; others emphasized that the work had cleared peer review, and carefully explained how this experiment differs from quantum error correction. The discussion also spread to when codebreaking might actually become feasible.
IBM Observes “Phase Transition from Quantum Chaos to Order” with 100 Qubits: A New Milestone in Quantum Computer Control
Key points of this article
What happened: IBM and collaborators observed a control-induced phase transition using up to 100 qubits, publishing the result in Nature Physics on October 9.
Source: xenospectrum.com / Original article here
What people said
Gemini's summary
A research team from IBM, Rutgers University, and others succeeded in observing a "phase transition from quantum chaos to order" in a 100-qubit experiment through repeated measurement-and-reset operations.
Key points
• Experiment scale: Repeated measurement and reset operations performed on 100 qubits.
• Number of iterations: Quantum state control was carried out through roughly 5,000 repeated operations.
• Result: It was shown that a chaotic many-body quantum system transitions into an ordered state once the frequency/conditions of external intervention (measurement and reset) cross a threshold.
• Significance: Seen as an important step toward understanding quantum error correction and entanglement dynamics, and toward stable control of quantum computers
That said, resetting all qubits to a known state and protecting unknown quantum information (as quantum error correction must) are fundamentally different goals.
Classic scam-ad move: tuck the disclaimer away in the fine print
(kind of like 産生 (sansei) / 生産 (seisan) being the translation of "produce" — that's the level of stupidity Japanese academics operate at)
that's what's changing
To begin with, the English text opens with something like "chaos (theory) is a very familiar idea in science," which tells you it's written for people who already understand what "chaos" means scientifically
Anyone who reads it at the level of "there was chaos in ancient times" goes off in the wrong direction from there
And then the Japanese translation twists it around even further
Isn't this just a pretentious, overcomplicated way of saying that an electron cloud (chaos) became usable as discrete electron quanta (order) — i.e. it underwent a "phase change"?
Dunno, just writing my personal take here
But seriously, quit it with the cult-like recruiting of new believers based on your own blind faith — it's honestly exhausting lol
Needless to say, it shows pretty low media literacy to take an interested party's own testimony at face value
Reads like it was written by someone who actually understands the subject — a solid article
Not like Gigazine, which just translates hyped-up foreign articles and hypes them up even more
What's really malicious is that the technical terms never get properly explained
And the fact that info about the quantum bubble collapse from just ten-odd years ago barely turns up in searches — is that deliberate, or just plain stupidity?
Total amnesia, huh
Ten years later and it's the same urban legend — pure déjà vu
Quantum error correction, by contrast, has to protect the unknown quantum information being used in a computation.
Sure, if you measure the qubits and reset them all to 0, you do get an ordered state — but in the process, you also destroy the quantum information that was supposed to be preserved.
Understanding this difference in goals is essential to thinking about how this result relates to fault-tolerant quantum computing.
Ten years ago people were making this exact same déjà-vu complaint
It's an immortal zombie scheme that moves the goalposts once a decade
No point saying anything to this dumb industry, so I'll just call out the debt
Same one-pattern bait as a one-hit-wonder singer
Quantum magic can't shrink the debt, and when scientists push back they can't actually refute them — it's an industry that runs on Nostradamus-style prophecy
This study does not show that logical qubits were protected and error rates were lowered.
Even so, there's value in having coordinated large-scale measurement and feedback on an actual quantum processor and obtaining statistical data usable for verifying the underlying physics — because it managed to carry out, on a large-scale circuit, the repeated measure-and-control operations that quantum error correction will also require.
Maybe it'd make sense to just ask an AI which industries or occult-adjacent fields would be troubled by this
Then whichever industry got an inconvenient answer from the AI would be the one voicing the opposing opinion
Because it'd mean the psychic/spiritual-scam industry can't keep cashing in via lawsuits and lucky charms anymore
If you're a true believer who won't learn from history, there's no point saying anything, so I won't
Nobody's saying the paper itself is false
This is not a quantum computer
This isn't even an implementation of error correction
This is just an experimental rig for researching error correction before it's actually implemented
How many more times are they going to push this back?
The real question is whether encryption will actually be broken by 2035
The losses just keep piling up
Probably more than 30 years' worth by now, right?
Quantum computers don't make computation faster across the board
They only speed up specific problems like integer factorization, so encryption algorithms that depend on that are simply being phased out of new adoption,
and everyone's shifting over to things like lattice-based cryptography, which quantum computers can't solve quickly
or just quote neutral articles instead
That's just building a roof on top of a roof — a total waste
Looks like US NIST has officially certified AES-128 as safe post-quantum cryptography
This was in the English-language source article that the Nikkei xTECH piece was based on
So, at least for AES-128, claims like Team Mirai's (a Japanese political party) "the encryption will be broken" are flat-out false
Not sure about elliptic-curve cryptography, but it's probably safe too, right?
In justifying the use of AES-128, NIST refers to the same observations we explained above, and introduces the concept of MAXDEPTH which is exactly the maximum serial computation that forces parallelization and limits Grover's quadratic speedup.
That's just not happening, right? Are they stupid?
Looking forward to two and a half years from now
Don't go pulling the amnesia act and play dumb when it doesn't happen
The quantum computing scene has been getting amnesia every single year since around 2000 lol
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Right now in the US, something pretty rough is happening: quantum computing researchers doing perfectly ordinary, serious work are getting called frauds. If an ordinary person hears about "universal quantum computation" and thinks, "wait, it can't actually compute anything yet — why are you announcing this? Isn't that fraud?" then a lawsuit wouldn't be out of line, and that's actually starting to happen for real.
8:47 AM · Jul 19, 2022
Background and Key Points of the Debate
This result demonstrates a “measurement-driven phase transition” that resets qubits to a known state — a goal different from quantum error correction, which protects the unknown quantum information used in a computation. Because this distinction wasn’t easy to grasp, the thread split between those who saw it as “hype” or a “bubble” and those who, pointing to its peer-reviewed publication, judged the result on its merits. On the cryptography side, with an eye toward practical quantum computers, the US’s NIST is pushing a transition to post-quantum cryptography such as lattice-based schemes, and even experts disagree on exactly when AES-128 or elliptic-curve cryptography might actually be threatened. The significance of the research itself needs to be read separately from the inflated expectation that codebreaking is “right around the corner.”
*This article is compiled as excerpts and a summary from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “IBM Observes “Phase Transition from Quantum Chaos to Order” with 100 Qubits: A New Milestone in Quantum Computer Control.”
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