Nadal Slams Hikari Ota’s Old-School References: “That’s Harassment!”

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Before a recording of “JUNK Bakusho Mondai’s Car Boy,” Hikari Ota was chatting excitedly with staff about ABC Radio’s “Dokkiri! Hakkiri! It’s Koji Miyozawa” when Nadal of Coro Coro Chiki Chiki Peppers, who happened to be there, pushed back: “That kind of thing counts as harassment, you know.” Later in the show, when Ota brought up “Jujutsu Kaisen” to Nadal, he got the reply, “I get the anime, but the manga’s hard to follow” — leading to a moment where the two just couldn’t connect. On 5ch, posts piled up debating the generational knowledge gap, ranging from criticism of “Showa-era uncles” who use Dragon Ball as their go-to reference, to surprise that younger people don’t even know “Dokaben.”

Hikari Ota and Yuji Tanaka, the comedy duo Bakusho Mondai, appeared on the late-night broadcast of “JUNK Bakusho Mondai’s Car Boy” (TBS Radio) on the 22nd. When they ran into Nadal of Coro Coro Chiki Chiki Peppers backstage, an argument reportedly broke out over bringing up old shows and manga to someone from a different generation.

Ota ran into Nadal in the green room before the recording. Ota and the show’s makeup artist got onto the topic of Koji Miyozawa, familiar from ABC Radio’s “Dokkiri! Hakkiri! It’s Koji Miyozawa,” and got excited asking things like, “Do you know Koji Miyozawa?”

Nadal then suddenly cut in: “Ota-san, that kind of thing counts as harassment, you know. You should be more careful.”

Source: sirabee.com / Original article here

What people said

3AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:03
Then again, it's just as awkward when some middle-aged guy starts talking about Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen at you.
7AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:05
Re: #3
My department manager, who's in his 50s, actually knows this stuff in detail.
Personally I have zero desire to watch any of it though.
70AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:19
Re: #3
On the radio they actually did get into Jujutsu Kaisen properly —

Ota: "So Jujutsu Kaisen is fine, then?"
Nadal: "Jujutsu Kaisen is hard, man!"
Ota: "What do you mean, hard?"
Nadal: "I get it as an anime, but I can't follow the manga!"
Ota: "What does that even mean?"
Nadal: "I'm just saying the manga is hard!"

That's the bit they did.
97AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:25
Re: #3
I mean, Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan are basically just a patchwork of recycled plots and settings at this point —
all you can really do is laugh it off.

As for "Jujutsu Whatever," I don't even care enough to ask what it is.
6AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:05
"Doragobo uncles" get hated on because they compare literally everything to Dragon Ball (doragobo = slangy shorthand for the show).
8AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:05
Even middle-aged guys don't know Dokaben.
That's old-man territory.
27AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
Re: #8
For what it's worth, it was still running until 2018.
18AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:09
Honestly, don't compare everything to Hunter x Hunter or YuYu Hakusho either.
I happen to know those so it's fine for me, but still.
19AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:09
That show where a young comedian told Sandwichman,
"Please stop comparing everything to Otoko Juku!" (a retro delinquent-school manga)
was hilarious.
20AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:09
Shortening it to "doragobo" is peak cringe.
22AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
There are comedians who say stuff like this every so often,
but why don't they ever use it as a reason to actually go learn about it?
28AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
Re: #22
Nobody's gonna go study something they're not interested in when there's no pressing need to.
23AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
Comedians only know how to put other people down.
Useless to society.
116AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:30
Re: #23
They think that's their craft, you know.
25AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:10
Do they not even know Lum or Arale either?
30AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
Knowing Dragon Ball actually helps you communicate with foreigners.
39AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:13
Re: #30
Everything ties into general knowledge in the end.
You're definitely better off knowing your manga.
72AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:20
Re: #30
Then why can't you apply that same logic to knowing Dokaben helping you talk to old people?
32AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:11
5ch is full of the Norakuro and Fuku-chan generation.
57AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:17
Re: #32
There was Norakuro in my elementary school library, I read it.
48AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:15
There are still people bringing up Demon Slayer, huh.
How many years ago did that manga even end?
55AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:16
Re: #48
In the end I never touched Demon Slayer, not even a millimeter's worth.
63AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:18
Re: #53
Why is someone who doesn't even know doragobo hanging out on a garbage-dump board like this……
80AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:21
Re: #63
"Doragobo" isn't really a shorthand people who watched it in real time actually use.
71AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:19
Come to think of it, Sanma's impressive for having mastered both Dragon Ball and One Piece lol
75AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:21
Re: #71
That guy's apparently a genuine short sleeper,
so he's probably got the time to keep up on everything.
90AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:24
Dokaben was actually a judo manga (before it became baseball)
https://image.yodobashi.com/product/100/000/009/001/740/238/100000009001740238_10203.jpg
91AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:24
Bakusho Mondai really loves talking about Dokaben.
I'm not even from that generation, but I learned about Benkei High School and stuff from listening to Car Boy.
115AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:29
Re: #91
I mean, they even did a 4-panel Dokaben strip.
98AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:25
Retro games are trendy,
but retro anime and manga never really catch on the same way, huh.
103AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:27
Re: #98
The anime remakes of Urusei Yatsura and Ranma 1/2 got people talking, but Kimengumi……
99AnonymousSep 26, 2026 16:25
Are Japanese people just getting more immature overall? When I was a kid, if I saw some old guy comparing everything to Dragon Ball I'd have just found it cringe.

Background and Points of Debate

“Dokaben” is a baseball manga by Shinji Mizushima (with a judo arc within the story) that ran until 2018. The debate split into two camps: whether it’s harassment to measure young people against old manga references, and whether it’s simply laziness on the part of those who won’t make an effort to learn. What doesn’t come across from the main text alone is that Nadal himself admitted about “Jujutsu Kaisen,” “I get the anime but the manga is hard,” so he isn’t one-sidedly criticizing only young people. Note that some posts reacting against Ota being called out for harassment veered into political jabs and personal insults; those have been excluded from this article.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geinou/Sports News+) thread “Nadal warns Hikari Ota: “Bringing up old manga to young people, like ‘Do you not know Dragon Ball,’ that’s harassment” / “What the heck is Dokaben! Nobody knows that!”“

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