A thread has popped up on 5ch’s “Hello! Project” board about songwriter-composer Shō Hoshibe, who has written numerous Hello! Project songs for groups like Morning Musume。’23 and Angerme.
Harsh takes like “he always hits a passing grade but has no signature hit” and “he has no talent for lyrics” clashed with defenders saying “he’s genuinely talented” and “‘Taikibansei’ was a crucial song that opened the post-Tsunku era” — the debate even spiraled into comparing view counts between songs.
Hello! Project songs Shō Hoshibe has written lyrics for since 2022
Wake-up Call ~Mezameru Toki~ (Morning Musume。'23)
Piece of Peace ~Shiawase no Puzzle~ (Angerme)
Wake-up Call ~Mezameru Toki~ (Morning Musume。'23)
Piece of Peace ~Shiawase no Puzzle~ (Angerme)
Love Misery and Positive Program (suko = net slang for 'I love this')
>>2
HANAKIN isn't on there!
HANAKIN isn't on there!
He always delivers a passing grade, but he's got no signature hit.
>>6
The girl with glasses
The girl with glasses
>>6
That "passing grade" rating is way too generous. I'm not saying everything he's made is trash, but because of this guy, Hello! Project was in serious decline before 'Misery.'
That "passing grade" rating is way too generous. I'm not saying everything he's made is trash, but because of this guy, Hello! Project was in serious decline before 'Misery.'
I loved it when he used to do music theory videos on YouTube, but he stopped.
If anything, most of his best-known work is from before 2022.
I wish they'd make him exclusive to BEYOOOOONDS.
An earnest wish from Hello! Project fans.
An earnest wish from Hello! Project fans.
It's from 2018, but 'Do Dance' really stands out.
Glad Hikaruu performed it at Maa's live show.
Glad Hikaruu performed it at Maa's live show.
He has no talent for lyrics.
But he's written plenty of good songs.
But he's written plenty of good songs.
Calling it 'music theory,' but what Hoshibe actually talks about is about the level of a beginner's chord-composition book.
Made me realize he barely understands arrangement theory.
Made me realize he barely understands arrangement theory.
>>14
Feels like one of those self-proclaimed musicians desperately talking down to him just because they're older.
Feels like one of those self-proclaimed musicians desperately talking down to him just because they're older.
That's just some old guy losing it because he can't bring himself to admit it.
Hoshibe can't even write basic two-voice counterpoint well — he genuinely lacks arrangement skill.
You can see it if you compare it with Noimii's 'Ai wo Kudasaimase,' which is in the same gothic style as 'Misery.'
In Noimii's song, the vocal melody and the string line differ but stay well balanced together.
In Hoshibe's, only the vocal melody stands out,
which makes it feel cheap as gothic music.
You can see it if you compare it with Noimii's 'Ai wo Kudasaimase,' which is in the same gothic style as 'Misery.'
In Noimii's song, the vocal melody and the string line differ but stay well balanced together.
In Hoshibe's, only the vocal melody stands out,
which makes it feel cheap as gothic music.
>>27
That Noimii song flopped hard, it's a garbage track.
That Noimii song flopped hard, it's a garbage track.
>>30
A song with 10 million views isn't what I'd call a flop.
A song with 10 million views isn't what I'd call a flop.
>>32
On THE FIRST TAKE it's only a tenth of that, though.
On THE FIRST TAKE it's only a tenth of that, though.
He's got more talent than Takui, at least.
As a melody-maker, if he just had some more individuality, the possibilities would really open up.
As a melody-maker, if he just had some more individuality, the possibilities would really open up.
>>33
Takui's still landed more hits than him, though.
Takui's still landed more hits than him, though.
>>34
Even so,
it hit a million views in three weeks.
That's not a flop.
Even so,
it hit a million views in three weeks.
That's not a flop.
>>36
If you're going to bill it as a bigger hit than 'Misery,' I'd want to see it hit 5 million views on THE FIRST TAKE.
If you're going to bill it as a bigger hit than 'Misery,' I'd want to see it hit 5 million views on THE FIRST TAKE.
I'd say the ones who carried Hello! Project through the post-Tsunku era were Hoshibe, Shusui, Kouga, and Yusuke Kato.
>>39
I think he deserves credit for using 'Taikibansei' to head off the backlash.
I think he deserves credit for using 'Taikibansei' to head off the backlash.
My take is that 'Taikibansei' is the worst piece of garbage among all their debut/re-debut songs.
>>46
It was the opening of the post-Tsunku era.
If it had gotten a total thumbs-down from the fans,
today's Hello! Project might not exist.
In that sense, 'Taikibansei' really mattered.
It was the opening of the post-Tsunku era.
If it had gotten a total thumbs-down from the fans,
today's Hello! Project might not exist.
In that sense, 'Taikibansei' really mattered.
>>43
At its current growth rate, given the same amount of time as Misery's THE FIRST TAKE version, it'd easily clear 5 million too.
At its current growth rate, given the same amount of time as Misery's THE FIRST TAKE version, it'd easily clear 5 million too.
>>48
Misery was growing faster right from the start, so that's not happening.
Misery was growing faster right from the start, so that's not happening.
Hits and song quality aren't really related anyway.
I mean, 'Love Machine' is trash among trash.
I mean, 'Love Machine' is trash among trash.
>>49
They're not completely unrelated, and it's still better than the others.
They're not completely unrelated, and it's still better than the others.
>>51
Noimii did 1.5 million in three weeks.
Misery did just under 5 million in nine months.
If you can do basic math,
the outcome is already obvious.
Noimii did 1.5 million in three weeks.
Misery did just under 5 million in nine months.
If you can do basic math,
the outcome is already obvious.
>>54
Funny that you think it'll just keep growing like simple math.
Funny that you think it'll just keep growing like simple math.
>>56
Even if growth slows down over time,
that applies to both equally.
It'd be weirder to assume Noimii's growth rate drops off harder than Misery's.
Even if growth slows down over time,
that applies to both equally.
It'd be weirder to assume Noimii's growth rate drops off harder than Misery's.
>>58
If you're comparing it within Hello! Project's THE FIRST TAKE lineup, Noimii is closer to 'Koi Revolution' than to 'Misery' or 'Hatsukoi Cider.'
If you're comparing it within Hello! Project's THE FIRST TAKE lineup, Noimii is closer to 'Koi Revolution' than to 'Misery' or 'Hatsukoi Cider.'
Hoshibe's songs have a mechanical feel to them.
Maybe it's just how he works, but it's like — pretty, but the outer structure is always the same.
Maybe it's just how he works, but it's like — pretty, but the outer structure is always the same.
Takui is just being hyped up desperately by Angerme fans.
>>63
Isn't it more like there are maybe two Takui fans among the 'wolves' (Morning Musume's fan nickname)?
Isn't it more like there are maybe two Takui fans among the 'wolves' (Morning Musume's fan nickname)?
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “What do you think of ‘Shō Hoshibe’?“
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