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TCG, the overseas counterpart to Japan’s Yu-Gi-Oh! OCG, implemented a major Forbidden & Limited list update effective October 19. The changes mainly target splashable “engine” staples, bridge/extender gimmicks, and generic lock-down power cards, with players overseas saying the game has “basically become a different game.” On 5ch, threads erupted with complaints about the gap between this and Japan’s OCG rules, as well as frustration with the current meta where whoever goes first simply locks the game down and wins outright — discussion also spread to the strength of individual cards like Dragoon and Magicians’ Soul.
What people said
World Legacy and Raize Moon both look like they're headed for trouble too.
Senet feels shaky since it needs you to run a vanilla monster.
Because printing busted cards prints money.
Milk it for a while, then ban it — the faithful seem fine with that deal.
All at once — it kicked in today, the 19th.
Honestly I'm surprised garbage meta cards like Spell Shield Type-8 didn't get banned.
Though, cards that are easy to summon and negate anything, or just pad out combos for no reason, are lame anyway, so banning them is fair enough.
Still think Droll & Lock Bird ("Doroba," a staple hand trap) should get banned too.
Apparently this ban wave is aimed at killing off the splashable engine parts, bridge-type cards, and lock pieces that are popular overseas.
Magicians' Soul seems to have gotten hit because it's run in full 60-card Light/Dark decks.
Totally agree on the garbage meta cards.
There's "good Droll" and "evil Droll," so Limited is probably as far as they can push it.
Re: #14
Soul(s) probably got banned for being a splashable draw engine.
They banned Dragoon too, so honestly the whole "destruction" gimmick is pretty much dead now.
Looking at this, Sky Striker seems like it's sitting in a pretty good spot.
That's the Yu-Gi-Oh! everyone actually remembers, right?
The Harpie Lady and Marik decks are getting remade and dropping tomorrow or so!
The remake decks are really well made and a ton of fun — great that you can enjoy them with zero Link Monsters involved.
It's the anniversary right now, so it's remake after remake after remake.
If you roll it back to the Stone Age, it just turns into one of those mana-cost games where your mana never ramps up — and then the competition's got more fun games on offer.
Wait, did the TCG side actually invent hand traps?
There's no way it could release without sign-off from the Japan side.
The real garbage ones are whoever on Japan's side gave the go-ahead.
If you lose Game 1 after going second,
then in Game 2, even going first yourself, you're dead unless you can fully shut down an opponent who's lazily stacked every clutch comeback staple in the book (lit. "lazy Goemon piled with turnaround cards" — forum slang for a loaded-up grindy board).
Basically it's "thanks for playing" the moment someone solitaires into a first-turn lockdown.
Plenty of archetypes can't even be stopped by two hand traps anymore — totally terminal.
Overseas the player base shrank so much they couldn't even run tournaments, hence this huge ban wave.
Never thought it'd turn into an even bigger rock-paper-scissors game than Master Duel.
Overseas, generically powerful cards really do get hated on hard.
Apparently overseas the basic approach is to crush generic cards hard so every deck keeps its own flavor.
A "default endgame" card like Baronne de Fleur doesn't get a pass.
Generic power cards are just boring, honestly.
All that's left as a measure of strength becomes "whichever deck can splash generic cards easiest." Every time a generic card with nothing to do with the archetype's theme gets summoned, the game stops being make-believe and turns into pointless solitaire.
Back then the game let you play at a relaxed pace, right?
There's new stuff mixed in too, so things like the Magnet Warriors are pretty much the same as now.
Darklord, Des Phoenix, double Chaos be like: "Oh, is that so!" (a sarcastic meme reaction, like "sure, whatever")
An all-purpose disruption card that only costs a discard… of course it's busted.
Though apparently it's headed back onto the restricted list.
Dragoon itself isn't even that strong anymore, it's just a single piece of disruption.
It's more that gimmicks popped up letting you summon Dragoon easily, and that's what caused this.
Unlike the old days, you can get it out in a few moves via Red-Eyes Fusion without eating a restriction, so having a universal negate like that on tap is strong.
Rinse and repeat.
It's nuts that this kind of outrage is allowed to keep happening.
Well, going by that logic, none of the cards hit this time were actually freshly printed.
Current OCG is a mess because some idiot cooked up an idiotic archetype.
An archetype came out that triggers effects while banished face-down,
so now a fully legal 3-of Pot of Extravagance draws you 2 cards while effectively milling 10 — it's that broken.
Dark Magician itself is weak, but the Light-and-Dark build — Black Luster Soldier and Dark Magician of Chaos (nicknamed "Black Chaos") — is strong.
Haha, another blast-from-the-past name shows up.
So Black Luster Soldier is actually strong? Well, it looks cool, so that's a win either way.
Apparently it's a generic 2-card draw.
There's an archetype called K9 that can easily summon basically any Level 5 monster.
Why doesn't Japan restrict it?
Because realistically only Magnet Warrior-type decks can actually get it out.
There's technically an EARTH-attribute requirement, after all.
Because nobody can actually get it out.
Background and Key Points of This Debate
Yu-Gi-Oh! runs separate Forbidden/Limited card lists for Japan’s domestic “OCG” and the North American/European “TCG,” and since the card pools and release schedules also differ between the two, the degree of regulation often ends up different as well. This round of TCG changes appears aimed at curbing the first-turn lockdown (so-called “solitaire”) meta built around splashable engine parts, bridge/extender gimmicks, and generic disruption power cards, and some in the thread pointed to declining overseas tournament turnout as the backdrop. Meanwhile, complaints have also surfaced about Japan’s domestic OCG, where more and more archetypes can’t be stopped by hand traps alone once the opponent takes the first turn — so even though the regions differ, “the strength of generic cards” and “the gap between archetypes” are shaping the meta in both places alike.
※This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Image] Yu-Gi-Oh! Gets Massively Overhauled Overseas, Becomes a Different Game.”
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