Germany, France Agree on EU EV Incentive Plan That Excludes Japanese Cars — 5ch: “Japan Cuts BYD Subsidies Too”

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According to the Nikkei, Germany and France have reportedly agreed to exclude vehicles manufactured in Japan from a proposed EU incentive scheme for EV purchases currently under consideration. On 5ch’s Breaking News+ board, opinions split over whether this exclusion amounts to discrimination against Japan or is simply protection of domestic industry. Against voices arguing “Japan does the same thing by cutting subsidies for BYD,” others pointed to a structural difference between the EU and Japan: “The EU has its own production capacity within the bloc, but Japanese automakers have no prospect of building that.” From there, the discussion spread to EV charging times, Japan’s electricity situation, and battery dependence on China.

EU’s Proposed EV Incentive Scheme Would Exclude Japanese Cars, Germany and France Agree – Nikkei

October 16, 2026, 21:39

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Source: nikkei.com / Original article here

What people said

5AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:18
Japan should just do the same thing, honestly.
14AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:20
Re: #5
Japan's cutting subsidies for BYD too, isn't it?
38AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:24
Re: #5
Japan's doing the exact same thing, with a subsidy gap bad enough to call malicious.
99AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:35
Re: #5
The EU has its own production capacity within the bloc,
like in Eastern Europe,
but Japanese automakers
don't have that kind of
competitive manufacturing capacity
domestically in Japan,
and there's no prospect of them
getting it going forward.

In that sense, it's clearly asymmetric.
52AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:27
The impact on Toyota looks significant
https://imgur.com/JIR1WQG.jpeg

Total new vehicle sales:
China: 30 million (60% EVs)
US: 16 million
EU: 13 million
India: 5 million
Japan: 4.8 million (half kei cars)
60AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:28
Re: #52
The only EV [Toyota has] is the bZ4X, and it's not selling that well.
64AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:29
Re: #52 Re: #60
Oh, that's EVs only?

My bad, misread it.
65AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:29
Is the EU still stuck on EVs?
81AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:32
Re: #65
Their diesel scam blew up on them, so this [EVs] is all they can build now.
But the moment Toyota got serious, they casually walked back the gas-car ban.
And now it's "well, just don't buy one."
Thoroughly stupid, environment-wrecking bastards.
89AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:34
Re: #81
They just don't have the technical chops.
Reuse the same engine,
leave the same defects unfixed forever,
and rake it in with rip-off repair fees.
94AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:35
Re: #81
Gas cars never caused this kind of disaster, though — Renault and Fiat were making money off them too.
71AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:30
In a few more years it'll be EVs or nothing.
By then, Japanese cars that used to sell 20 million units a year worldwide
will definitely be down to under 1 million.

At that point, it's seriously game over.
79AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:32
Re: #71
It all comes down to electricity prices in the end.
Japan's electricity is way too expensive, and
on the expressways the only chargers are rip-offs that cost triple what they do on regular roads.
196AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:48
Re: #71
There's talk that BYD might go bankrupt next year, so it's not going to become EVs-only.
Search "China EV" on YouTube and you'll see EVs have plenty of problems.
88AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:34
Re: #79
Japan's power generation capacity is low too, so that's a real problem.
108AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:37
Re: #88
It's the opposite.
Japan depends on overseas sources for 100% of its gasoline,
so EVs are actually better.

Re: #79
Fuel cost is a third of a gas car's.
You just charge at home.
Charging while out is the exception.
121AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:39
Re: #108
Batteries depend on China.
Battery raw materials depend on China too.
142AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:41
Re: #108
Electricity is made using fossil fuels anyway, so diesel and gasoline are obviously better.
If fossil fuel imports stopped, most of the country would lose power.
Internal combustion engines suit Japan.
102AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:36
From the EU's perspective, there's no reason or need to give preferential treatment to EVs made in Japan —
I don't really get why this is even news.
110AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:38
Re: #102
Well, it's the Nikkei.
123AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:39
Re: #102
If they "spun" this into a piece arguing it's discrimination against Japan, I'd ask "why run that?"
But this is the Nikkei telling Nikkei readers, as plain fact, "here's what looks like it's happening in Europe" — so it's not that strange that it became an article at all, is it?
125AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:39
People are saying dumb stuff like "if we switch to EVs there won't be enough electricity,"
but it's exactly the opposite.

EVs run on a third of the fuel a gas car needs.
In other words, going EV cuts fuel use down to a third.
Redirect what used to go to gasoline into electricity and there's plenty to spare.
131AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:40
Re: #125
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
163AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:44
Re: #125
Nobody's generating electricity by burning gasoline.
167AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:45
Re: #125
Whether there's "enough" electricity isn't just about total volume — there's also output capacity and the wires delivering it.
Run a microwave and a hair dryer at once and the breaker trips, right?
Daisy-chain power strips off the same outlet and the cord catches fire, right?
155AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:43
Re: #71
It's not becoming EVs-or-nothing at all — if anything, people are pulling back from EVs.
The direction is the exact opposite.
166AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:45
Re: #155
Range, the one weak point EVs had, now has plenty of models exceeding 700 km.
In China there are even ones that can charge to 1,000 km of range in 5 minutes.

EVs are now superior across the board, full stop.
172AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:46
Re: #166
So, do you actually drive an EV? A BYD, maybe?
186AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:47
Re: #166
There isn't the power capacity for charging that fast,
and pushing that much current in at once shortens battery life.
Even if the car can handle it, the infrastructure can't keep up.
156AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:43
Re: #142
I'll say it again.
EVs use a third of the fuel of gas cars.
And while gas cars spew harmful exhaust all over town,
EVs produce zero exhaust whatsoever.
170AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:45
Re: #156
None of that matters when actually choosing a car.
There are no charging stations, and Japan doesn't have the electricity to run every car in the country as an EV — at that point, EVs are a wasted investment.
Nothing more than useless clutter.
197AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:48
Re: #156
EVs produce exhaust before they even start driving (the thermal power plant does it for them).
185AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:47
Japan should just do the same thing — make non-Japanese cars ineligible for subsidies.
228AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:54
Re: #185
Japan already does something like that — BYD, which hasn't built out charging stations or other infrastructure, apparently gets a smaller subsidy.
235AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:55
Re: #185
Exactly that.
Though knowing the spineless Japanese government, they'll probably let it slide without any countermeasure.
192AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:47
Re: #167
No problem at all.
EVs basically get charged at night, when power demand is low anyway.

More importantly, the benefit of making every gas station across Japan unnecessary outweighs that.
210AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:50
Re: #192
Look, if you're an amateur you shouldn't act like you know it all.
212AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:50
Re: #186
There's no need for fast charging —
almost everyone uses standard home charging.

Charge for 12 hours at home with a regular charger while you're there,
and you get about 350 km worth of range.
And you don't even need to charge that much — just put in
more than you drove that day and it tops up automatically over time.
219AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:51
Re: #210
Please read Re: #212.
Most people don't even drive 50 km a day, so charging at home with a standard charger won't even take an hour and a half.
237AnonymousOct 16, 2026 22:55
Re: #212
Taking 12 whole hours to charge, or charging for an hour and a half and only getting 50 km out of it — that's what you call a useless car.
That kind of thing is garbage, not fit for actual use.
So EVs as they are now won't catch on in Japan.
EVs are something to reconsider once solid-state batteries for cars actually arrive. That's the reality of it.

Background and Key Points of This Discussion

The EU has pursued a de facto ban on new gasoline car sales by 2035, but has repeatedly revised that policy amid sluggish demand and struggles among domestic automakers, and the EV incentive proposal reported here is an extension of that trend. Behind the possibility that Japanese automakers could be excluded lies the fact that the EU has built its own EV production base in places like Eastern Europe, while most Japanese cars are manufactured domestically in Japan — and this asymmetry became the central axis of debate on the thread. At the same time, the Japanese government has also been curbing subsidies for overseas EVs like China’s BYD, so the pattern of “both sides prioritizing their own industry” is common across countries. It’s worth noting that the article alone doesn’t specify which models would be excluded or when such a system would take effect — this is still just the stage of an agreement between Germany and France. Also, some of the replies about charging times and battery dependence on China contain technical misunderstandings, so it’s probably more accurate to read them not for numerical precision but as material showing where anxieties and hopes about EVs currently lie.

*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “EU’s Proposed EV Incentive Scheme Would Exclude Japanese Cars, Germany and France Agree.”

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