Juice=Juice Keeps Selling Out, But No Bigger Venues Ahead — 5ch: “They Just Can’t Handle Their Own Popularity”

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A debate has erupted on 5ch over Up-Front’s “no overreaching” management policy for Hello! Project. Even as Juice=Juice keeps selling out its solo shows, other groups like ANGERME and Tsubaki Factory are reportedly leaving seats empty at their own large-venue shows, fueling fan frustration that popularity and venue size just aren’t matching up. The backdrop: Up-Front has long championed a “sustainable Hello! Project,” deliberately avoiding rapid scale-ups. Thread opinion is split on whether this caution is sound management or simply a failure to invest in a group that’s actually popular.

What people said

1AnonymousOct 13, 2026 14:32
Up-Front: "Even if we somehow had the kind of popularity that could fill an arena tour, we still wouldn't do it."
3AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:17
The peak's already passed anyway, so it's the right call not to get cocky and book a huge venue.
4AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:20
Re: #3
Funny, since they push ANGERME and Tsubaki Factory way past their limits without a second thought.
6AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:22
Why has Hello! Project lasted 29 years? Because it never overreaches.
7AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:23
Re: #6
If "not overreaching" is really the policy, shouldn't they just stop keeping every group besides Juice=Juice alive?
8AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:23
Sure, you can push hard for a flash in the pan, but staying in it for the long haul means not overreaching.
10AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:25
Re: #8
But the other Hello! Project groups' tours aren't even selling out — isn't that the real overreach?
9AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:25
There's absolutely no way they'll ever do a Tokyo Dome show. Actually, they can't.
You guys keep saying "they could do it, definitely could," but that's reckless talk.
Management is thinking about what comes after. Pull it off and you're left with a mountain of debt. Then what?
11AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:26
Re: #9
Maybe just build up enough popularity that debt isn't an issue?
12AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:27
Up-Front's whole motto is basically "don't take risks."
No dangerous moves, don't get swept up by short-term temptation.
Even if you grab huge glory this year, the backlash could sink you next year. Can't have that.
They're aiming for a "sustainable Hello! Project."
15AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:29
Re: #12
Tickets for the other Hello! Project groups' shows are going unsold though — isn't Hello! Project already taking way too many risks?
14AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:28
No overreaching, period. Can't be done. Safety first, safety first, old-school thinking all the way.
They will NOT pull some hyped-up, go-for-it scheme like you naive kids want. Not gonna happen. No way.
Up-Front is the "adult" here. Safety first. Guaranteed survival. Boring is just fine.
16AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:29
Re: #14
Tickets for the other Hello! Project groups are going unsold, so it's not actually "safe" right now.
It'd be safer to scale their tours down until they're selling out every show like Juice=Juice does.
18AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:31
Is it that Hello! Project fans just aren't buying enough CDs and goods?
If we bought way more, would we actually get to see the members on a bigger stage?
20AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:32
Re: #18
For Juice=Juice specifically, handshake-event CD sales have already hit their cap, and the live Blu-rays would definitely sell if they were actually promoted — the real problem is Up-Front has zero interest in selling Juice=Juice's releases.
19AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:31
Your thinking is strictly naive-kid level —
"Go go go! Now's the chance! Hype it up, hype it up, all the way!" — but
this agency is the exact opposite. It's "careful, careful" here. No overreaching. They don't even want a Dome!
21AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:32
Re: #19
The other Hello! Project groups' tickets aren't selling, so if anything they should be even MORE careful.
43AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:48
You're all hyped up and riding high right now — your blood pressure's way too elevated. That's dangerous.
Let's bring it down. Calm down. Hit pause on the hype train for a second. Get a grip.
47AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:50
Re: #43
With all these lottery losses going around, blood pressure's already dropping.
48AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:50
Re: #43
Honestly, the "wolves" (slang for antagonistic fans trying to kill the hype) are working overtime.
58AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:57
They got burned on arena tours with Morning Musume, so they're not doing that again.
The agency's always sensible.
59AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:58
Re: #58
Even though [Juice=Juice] is more popular than Morning Musume was back then.
63AnonymousOct 13, 2026 15:59
Re: #58
When was the last time they even did one, again?
68AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:00
Juice=Juice's popularity has already dropped off.
74AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:01
Re: #68
Up-Front can give ANGERME — a group with basically zero popularity — a half-empty hall tour, so even if Juice=Juice's popularity has supposedly already faded, they could at least throw them an ANGERME-level tour.
80AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:02
Re: #68
Well, of course there's no buzz when they've been neglected this hard.
They keep shuffling them off to outside gigs and giving up on actually producing new work for them.
75AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:01
Juice=Juice doesn't have much drawing power these days either, so this is just to be expected.
77AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:02
Re: #75
Is there even a single group in Hello! Project that DOES have drawing power?
84AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:03
Re: #75
Come on, time to face reality.
Juice=Juice is the only one selling out shows without padded "sword" tickets (5ch slang implying tickets propped up via bundling or resale schemes).
Both Morning Musume and ANGERME pull the seniority card to keep Juice=Juice out of the big halls, then turn around and pad their own numbers with "sword" tickets anyway.
ANGERME's been running a half-empty-hall festival every single day except opening night.
82AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:03
Juice=Juice shot straight up to an altitude of 20,000 meters, and that's exactly the danger.
Hello! Project is built for skimming along just above the ground, not flying that high.
85AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:03
Re: #82
And how many tens of thousands of meters are =LOVE and Kawaii Lab flying at, then?
86AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:03
Re: #82
The other Hello! Project groups keep putting on half-empty shows one after another, so they're definitely not "skimming the ground" either.
90AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:04
Re: #84
Exactly why right now is the limit.
Scale it up and it'll go half-empty too.
95AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:05
Re: #90
There are already six Hello! Project groups running half-empty tours like it's totally normal, so why not let Juice=Juice run a tour big enough to go half-empty too?
102AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:06
Re: #90
Morning Musume and ANGERME get away with it, so it's fine either way.
In the idol world, what matters is how big a venue you played, not whether you actually filled it.
130AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:12
Is "Juice" (5ch nickname for Juice=Juice) unhappy with their venue capacity?
Then just leave Hello! Project, drop the name and the songs, and go do their own thing.
132AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:14
Re: #130
When groups that can't draw like Juice=Juice can get booked into venues bigger than Juice=Juice's and leave them half-empty, of course people are going to be unhappy about that.
135AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:16
Re: #132
So go solo, then. You're unhappy, right?
139AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:17
Re: #135
There's no reason a group that sells out every single show should be the one to leave.
If anything, the agency would do everything it could to keep hold of them.
140AnonymousOct 13, 2026 16:17
Re: #135
If they're free to transfer agencies, I wish they'd hurry up and do it.
Hello! Project is seriously just getting in the way at this point.

Background and Key Points of This Debate

Up-Front, which runs Hello! Project, has long preached a policy of avoiding reckless scale-ups in favor of “sustainability,” and this thread shows fans split over how to judge that management stance. There are two main points of contention. First, with Juice=Juice continuing to sell out its solo shows while other groups like ANGERME and Tsubaki Factory leave tickets unsold at large venues, is the allocation of venue size to match popularity actually fair? Second, posters point to Morning Musume’s past arena tour (referenced in the thread as having “burned” the agency) as the basis for its current caution, but the thread never explains specifically when or which tour this was or what went wrong, making it hard for readers unfamiliar with the history to follow. The disagreement is also rooted in a values clash unique to the idol industry — whether “selling out” or “scaling up” should take priority.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “Up-Front: “Even if Juice=Juice got more popular than they already are, we have no intention of scaling up their activities beyond what they’re doing now — they’d just end up more popular than we know what to do with”.”

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