France’s Interest Rates Surpass PIIGS, Becomes the ‘Sick Man of Europe’ — 5ch: ‘Japan’s Not-So-Distant Future’

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The story

The 5ch “News Flash+” board picked up on a Nikkei report about mounting anxiety over France’s sovereign bond ratings. On top of ballooning government debt and rising social security costs, political turmoil ahead of the spring 2027 presidential election has fueled a bond sell-off — markets have even coined the sardonic nickname “FROGS trade.” The thread was full of anxious comments like “isn’t this Japan’s not-so-distant future too,” and also saw a lively back-and-forth over immigration policy and the origins of the acronym PIIGS.

[Paris — Shogo Kodama, London — Akira Yamashita] Market wariness over French government bonds continues. Beyond the political turmoil, France is weighed down by a fiscal deficit that now exceeds that of southern European countries like Spain, which triggered the 2010s European debt crisis. With the spring 2027 presidential election approaching, uncertainty hangs over the outlook.

The “FROGS trade” — a sardonic nickname for trading in French government bonds now circulating in the markets. “France’s Oversized Government and Socia…(continues in the paid edition; 1,556 characters remain)

Nikkei, October 12, 2026, 11:00

Source: nikkei.com / Original article here

What people said

2AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:03
Japan's not-so-distant future
15AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:09
Re: #2
Japan's interest rates are shooting up too.
Folks at the bottom are suddenly whining about rent going up, as if it's news 😅
31AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:14
Re: #2
In that case, is Hiroyuki-sensei coming back to Japan then?
178AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:49
Re: #2
Japan's even worse, what are you even talking about lol
4AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:05
Plenty of people are like Hiroyuki, pulling the "well, in France…" card to look down on Japan (5ch slang for a reflexive foreign-country worshipper) lol
45AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:17
Re: #4
Apparently Hiroyuki's launching a new party to run in the next unified local elections,
so he's coming back to Japan after all
22AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:11
What's PIIIGS?
51AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:18
Re: #22
Ireland and Iceland joined the PIGS lineup
72AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:23
Re: #22
There are two I's, aren't there —
the countries born out of the subprime/Lehman-triggered European debt crisis:
Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain

Iceland was actually worse off, but maybe it got left out for being too small a country — though with three I's it'd fit too
44AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:17
Taking in immigrants doesn't solve anything, it just breaks the country
59AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:20
Re: #44
Singapore's handling it well.
After all, if a foreign worker loses their job or gets pregnant, they get deported.
The US is actually doing an even better job of it, though.
61AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:21
Re: #44
All that's left behind is worse public safety and a divided society.
If immigrants were increasing naturally that'd be one thing, but forcibly bringing in huge numbers as national policy throws the balance off
75AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:24
EU membership aside, the UK's next in line.
Despite fiscal troubles, they're housing huge numbers of illegal immigrants (who don't work) on the taxpayer's dime, and this year they announced plans to double down on it.
Even France hasn't had Muhammad as the #1 newborn baby name for five years running yet lol
168AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:47
Re: #75

They say the UK might overtake Japan's GDP despite having a much smaller population — what's it actually living off of?
I don't get the impression they're big on manufacturing or anything, though maybe I just don't know enough.
They don't have anything like GAFA either. I guess speaking English is just that big an advantage on its own
105AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:29
> France's oversized government and social security

Not totally sure, but is this a low-burden, high-welfare setup?
156AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:46
Re: #105
It's high-burden, high-welfare.
But there's a mix of factors piling up for France too — longer lifespans and pricier, more advanced medical care pushing up social security costs,
higher spending from supporting Ukraine,
and rising interest payments from the worsening fiscal picture
161AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:46
Re: #105
I heard unemployment benefits can run up to 27 months there
114AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:32
Isn't the only option to drastically cut social security spending and slim down/merge the civil service?

What's needed is cutting excessive welfare and bloated administration
121AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:34
Re: #114
That's reverting to beastly survival-of-the-fittest.
I'd rather humanity's regression not happen until after I'm dead
124AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:34
Re: #114
If you cut social security and push it onto individuals, it's the working-age generation that ends up struggling with money the most, though.
135AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:38
Re: #114
That said, just like Thailand and South Korea in the Asian financial crisis, or Greece in the subprime/Lehman-triggered European debt crisis,
a country can't ever clean up its own act without outside pressure, like being put under IMF oversight (unless a civil war on the scale of the Meiji Restoration is an acceptable price)
143AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:41
France has been the EU's beggar for a while now.
Germany, the UK, and the Netherlands were chipping in to prop France up
↓
The UK left, so the support money got cut
145AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:42
Re: #143
These days Germany's economy is a mess too
177AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:49
Re: #145
And Japan already got overtaken by that same Germany in GDP.
The side effects of all that extraordinary monetary easing are coming due
158AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:46
They're just overspending. I kept thinking "cut it, cut it." But get this —
I read somewhere that even when Macron wants to cut spending, protesters riot so hard he can't actually do it lol

Whenever you go to cut something, you've got to slap a label on the vested-interest groups, win public opinion over, and spin like crazy before you can actually cut it
171AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:47
Re: #158
It's the leftists who think rioting fixes everything that are breaking the country
208AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:55
Re: #171
Next year the far-right's Le Pen becomes president, so maybe she'll crack right down on the protests lol, looking forward to it lol
174AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:48
Sure, a lot of countries' immigration policies haven't worked out

But then again, if you ask whether Japan — which hasn't taken in immigrants — is doing well, well…
189AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:51
Re: #174
In the first place, they're just using immigration to paper over about 40 years of policy failures.
Immigration is just a band-aid fix — in the long run it'll end up like France
192AnonymousOct 12, 2026 12:51
Re: #174
It's already proven that bringing in immigrants doesn't work out,
so there's no need to follow that same playbook regardless.
Even if failure is inevitable, there's a huge gap between failing while stuck with immigrants and constant riots like France, and failing without that
230AnonymousOct 12, 2026 13:02
Europe is finished
236AnonymousOct 12, 2026 13:04
Re: #230
The Roman Empire fell from a massive influx of immigrants.
The EU is basically aiming to be a modern-day Roman Empire

Background and Key Points of This Topic

PIIGS is an acronym for Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain — the countries whose fiscal troubles were most severe during the 2010s European debt crisis. Now that French bond yields have surpassed those countries’, markets have coined a new, mocking nickname for France: the “FROGS trade.” Many commenters in the thread drew parallels between France’s fiscal deterioration and Japan’s own future, but the article doesn’t mention a key structural difference: France is a eurozone member that can’t control its own monetary policy, whereas Japan issues bonds in its own currency with the Bank of Japan holding the reins on monetary policy — so the comparison isn’t quite as simple as it looks.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (News Flash+) thread “France Now the ‘Sick Man of Europe’ — Interest Rates Surpass PIIGS, Bond Sell-Off Amid Political Instability.”

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