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An ABEMA TIMES article about a man working while hiding his developmental disorder became a talking point on 5ch. The thread saw a wave of real workplace stories — “you get found out eventually, no matter how well you hide it,” “I had a coworker who caused trouble after getting hired” — alongside comments pointing out how welfare and disability-pension support systems fail to reach the people who actually need them.
Hiding a Developmental Disorder Through Job Hunting → Man Now Working Says “I’m Scared of Being Found Out,” “Pay-wise, Regular Employment Is…” — Where Workplace “Reasonable Accommodation” Stands Today and What’s Still Missing
Thu, Aug 27, 14:45 JST
ABEMA TIMES
Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here
What people said
That "meri-deme" thing kind of blew my mind.
Is that actually a normal way to phrase it?
Is that actually a normal way to phrase it?
Re: #5
At work we'd probably say "pro-con" (プロコン), though that doesn't really land either. First time I've heard "meri-deme" (メリデメ, short for merit/demerit — pros and cons).
At work we'd probably say "pro-con" (プロコン), though that doesn't really land either. First time I've heard "meri-deme" (メリデメ, short for merit/demerit — pros and cons).
Does disability hiring quota employment actually cover developmental disorders?
Re: #8
Nah, developmental disorders are hard to prove definitively, so it doesn't really count.
Everyone's got some traits that look "developmental disorder-ish" — nobody's a perfect human being.
Nah, developmental disorders are hard to prove definitively, so it doesn't really count.
Everyone's got some traits that look "developmental disorder-ish" — nobody's a perfect human being.
Well, if it's mild enough to hide, of course people hide it.
This country discriminates like it's nothing.
This country discriminates like it's nothing.
Re: #9
Even when you can't actually hide it, on paper you're "able-bodied," so people come down hard on you.
You get treated as lazy instead of incapable.
Even when you can't actually hide it, on paper you're "able-bodied," so people come down hard on you.
You get treated as lazy instead of incapable.
Even once they're hired, can they actually do the job?
Re: #10
They're so bad at picking things up that everyone stuck training them is burned out.
They're so bad at picking things up that everyone stuck training them is burned out.
Not enough doctors → expand med school quotas → everyone flocks to low-lawsuit-risk fields like cosmetic surgery or psychiatry → now there are more doctors, so they need more patients → they start inventing bogus diagnoses to pad the numbers ← we are here
Re: #13
The rush into cosmetic surgery is actually because the residency-matching system capped the number of dermatology and ophthalmology residency slots in the cities.
They restricted urban slots specifically to push more doctors into internal medicine and surgery in rural areas, and this is the result.
By the way, cosmetic surgery actually carries bigger lawsuit risk.
If anything, they go in assuming they'll be sued and keep lawyers on retainer for it, so in that sense they're covered.
The rush into cosmetic surgery is actually because the residency-matching system capped the number of dermatology and ophthalmology residency slots in the cities.
They restricted urban slots specifically to push more doctors into internal medicine and surgery in rural areas, and this is the result.
By the way, cosmetic surgery actually carries bigger lawsuit risk.
If anything, they go in assuming they'll be sued and keep lawyers on retainer for it, so in that sense they're covered.
You can just get welfare ("namapo") without working, right?
If a low-paying job is going to wreck your mental health, you're better off just going on welfare.
If a low-paying job is going to wreck your mental health, you're better off just going on welfare.
Re: #21
Because this is a crazy quasi-socialist country with insane pressure to work…
Because this is a crazy quasi-socialist country with insane pressure to work…
Isn't there any way to help people who are self-aware that they're causing trouble?
Re: #22
There are plenty, but this is a country obsessed with short-term money, so nobody bothers.
There are plenty, but this is a country obsessed with short-term money, so nobody bothers.
I knew someone who graduated from a special-needs school but lied and said they graduated from a regular high school while working. They made mistakes constantly, so a sharp coworker suspected a developmental disorder and told them to go get checked out at a hospital.
Re: #25
They wrote a fake school name on their résumé?
They wrote a fake school name on their résumé?
Re: #25
If the high school name or department on the résumé is false, that's grounds for disciplinary dismissal, you know.
If the high school name or department on the résumé is false, that's grounds for disciplinary dismissal, you know.
What's the deal with people who snap at the drop of a hat?
It's exhausting whether it's a coworker or a client.
It's exhausting whether it's a coworker or a client.
Re: #38
Throwing tantrums is a classic trait of developmental disorders.
Throwing tantrums is a classic trait of developmental disorders.
Don't worry. Even major companies are full of people with borderline intellectual functioning.
Speaking as someone on the disability side of things — people hiding a developmental disorder get found out 100% of the time. 100%.
I dropped out of high school, but I got my Bookkeeping Level 2, Certified Administrative Scrivener, and Real Estate Transaction Agent licenses — and still nobody will hire me. I ended up doing warehouse picking through a staffing agency.
Even with certifications, they don't trust a middle-school-only grad — "you're probably trash anyway" — I've had my documents thrown back at me in interviews, had tea thrown at me.
Is dropping out really that bad?
When I said I quit because I couldn't take the bullying anymore, they screamed at me, "That's just because you've got no guts!"
I'm a loser until the day I die.
Even with certifications, they don't trust a middle-school-only grad — "you're probably trash anyway" — I've had my documents thrown back at me in interviews, had tea thrown at me.
Is dropping out really that bad?
When I said I quit because I couldn't take the bullying anymore, they screamed at me, "That's just because you've got no guts!"
I'm a loser until the day I die.
Re: #56
Normally you'd get screened out at the document-review stage.
Normally you'd get screened out at the document-review stage.
Re: #56
Why didn't you just take the high-school equivalency exam ("daiken")?
Why didn't you just take the high-school equivalency exam ("daiken")?
Re: #56
A bookkeeping certification only really matters when a new grad is trying to sneak into an accounting job, or when someone with experience is job-hopping.
A bookkeeping certification only really matters when a new grad is trying to sneak into an accounting job, or when someone with experience is job-hopping.
Anyone who's constantly staring at their phone while walking is 100% attention-deficit — i.e. ADHD — no matter how firmly they believe they're neurotypical.
Re: #58
By that logic 70% of people have ADHD. Guess phone-walking needs mandatory jail time, no suspended sentences.
By that logic 70% of people have ADHD. Guess phone-walking needs mandatory jail time, no suspended sentences.
These days, don't pre-employment aptitude tests screen out a lot of these cases?
Re: #64
The SPI3 test is built to screen out developmental disorders now.
More companies are also bringing in "scouter"-like unsuitability tests to flag misfits.
The SPI3 test is built to screen out developmental disorders now.
More companies are also bringing in "scouter"-like unsuitability tests to flag misfits.
Wouldn't hiding a disability to get hired be grounds for disciplinary action?
Re: #77
Only if it interferes with your work — assuming it doesn't, lol.
Only if it interferes with your work — assuming it doesn't, lol.
Had a guy on-site who was hiding a developmental disorder.
Day one: destroyed hundreds of thousands of yen worth of equipment.
Month one: wrecked a machine we'd put him in charge of — millions of yen in damage.
After that: three personal-injury accidents during his commute.
Also crashed a company truck.
It was an absolute disaster.
Day one: destroyed hundreds of thousands of yen worth of equipment.
Month one: wrecked a machine we'd put him in charge of — millions of yen in damage.
After that: three personal-injury accidents during his commute.
Also crashed a company truck.
It was an absolute disaster.
Re: #99
The fact that he didn't mentally or physically break down and quit before all that is honestly impressive.
Most people couldn't keep a job that long.
The fact that he didn't mentally or physically break down and quit before all that is honestly impressive.
Most people couldn't keep a job that long.
Re: #99
Sounds like ADHD.
Sounds like ADHD.
I feel the urge to run away whenever I'm stuck doing simple repetitive work — I think I might have a developmental disorder.
Re: #142
If anything, only ever wanting to do simple repetitive work is more the developmental-disorder trait.
If anything, only ever wanting to do simple repetitive work is more the developmental-disorder trait.
Re: #142
You're just one of those people who's quick to slap a "XX disorder" label on themselves.
You're just one of those people who's quick to slap a "XX disorder" label on themselves.
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News Plus) thread “Hiding a Developmental Disorder Through Job Hunting → Man Now Working Says “I’m Scared of Being Found Out,” “Pay-wise, Regular Employment Is…”.”
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