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Signs have emerged that the Dragon Ball theme park planned for France may not have obtained approval from the rights holders. On 5ch, discussion centered on its relationship to the earlier Saudi Arabia project — officially announced by Toei two years ago — and on which party actually holds the copyright: Toriyama Akira’s family, Shueisha, or Kodansha.
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Sounds like a scam.
Re: #2
A state-backed scam still isn't a crime.
A state-backed scam still isn't a crime.
Toriyama Akira isn't around anymore, so whose permission would you even need here? His family's, maybe? Still, they're doing something that honors what he created, so I hope it works out somehow.
Re: #10
Obviously Capsule Corp is the rights holder. Couldn't be more obvious. (joking — Capsule Corp is the fictional company from the show)
Obviously Capsule Corp is the rights holder. Couldn't be more obvious. (joking — Capsule Corp is the fictional company from the show)
Re: #10
It's Toriyama's own company, right? I don't think even Shueisha has a hand in it.
It's Toriyama's own company, right? I don't think even Shueisha has a hand in it.
To begin with, even Goku's Power Pole itself was never 'authorized' — it's borrowed from Journey to the West.
Re: #19
You really think something from 500 years ago still has copyright?
You really think something from 500 years ago still has copyright?
Re: #19
The real question is whether Wu Cheng'en got permission from Yu the Great before using the staff in Journey to the West.
The real question is whether Wu Cheng'en got permission from Yu the Great before using the staff in Journey to the West.
Re: #21
Sure, there's no copyright — but that doesn't automatically mean it's fine to use it freely and profit off it.
Sure, there's no copyright — but that doesn't automatically mean it's fine to use it freely and profit off it.
Re: #35
Plenty of works are based on stuff whose copyright has already expired though.
Plenty of works are based on stuff whose copyright has already expired though.
Re: #35
By that logic you'd have to call out every piece of fiction that freely uses King Arthur or mythology — sounds exhausting. One Piece borrows mythology names without permission too, you know.
By that logic you'd have to call out every piece of fiction that freely uses King Arthur or mythology — sounds exhausting. One Piece borrows mythology names without permission too, you know.
The Saudi DB theme park had its contract locked in two years ago and was officially announced by Toei. The same Saudi company behind that one is also involved in this new French park. It's jumping the gun a bit, but this is probably headed toward a signed deal anyway.
Re: #43
That's like Tokyo Disney Resort building Shanghai Disney without asking the American Disney for permission. (a jokingly absurd comparison)
That's like Tokyo Disney Resort building Shanghai Disney without asking the American Disney for permission. (a jokingly absurd comparison)
Re: #43
I'd like to believe negotiations were going well enough that they just went ahead and announced it a little early.
I'd like to believe negotiations were going well enough that they just went ahead and announced it a little early.
France used to have this oddly high reputation, but its image has been going downhill fast lately.
Re: #47
China's the one whose reputation is climbing the most right now.
China's the one whose reputation is climbing the most right now.
Re: #39
Re: #41
So the point is, isn't this much still fine?
Re: #41
So the point is, isn't this much still fine?
Re: #56
Dragon Ball is copyrighted, so no, that's not how it works, kid.
Dragon Ball is copyrighted, so no, that's not how it works, kid.
Re: #56
Do you have any idea how much Dragon Ball rakes in every year?
Do you have any idea how much Dragon Ball rakes in every year?
Re: #58
They'll just have to eat the loss quietly, gramps. (i.e., no real recourse)
They'll just have to eat the loss quietly, gramps. (i.e., no real recourse)
Re: #61
Ah, okay… if that's what you believe, sure, whatever you say.
Ah, okay… if that's what you believe, sure, whatever you say.
Re: #61
What do you mean 'normally'? And assuming they'd just roll over and cry about it is weird too.
What do you mean 'normally'? And assuming they'd just roll over and cry about it is weird too.
They're saying the rights got transferred to Saudi Arabia — is that actually true?
Re: #70
Depends on the contract terms. If the rights holder messed up, it's possible blanket overseas-expansion rights got granted. Though I doubt that would happen these days.
Depends on the contract terms. If the rights holder messed up, it's possible blanket overseas-expansion rights got granted. Though I doubt that would happen these days.
Wasn't copyright supposed to expire some decades after the creator's death? If so, comparing this to Walt Disney doesn't really hold up against Toriyama's case.
Re: #75
It's 70 years — but wasn't the old black-and-white Disney stuff already copyright-free?
It's 70 years — but wasn't the old black-and-white Disney stuff already copyright-free?
Dragon Ball's official site already mentions the theme park, so this whole claim makes no sense. Are Japanese politicians just bad at doing their homework? Even if approval technically hasn't been granted yet, that's just a procedural issue. 
Makes no sense why they don't build one in Japan. Same goes for a Dragon Quest Land.
Re: #80
Japan doesn't have that kind of money. And foreigners get nothing out of building it in Japan, so of course they won't. Pretty obvious, really.
Japan doesn't have that kind of money. And foreigners get nothing out of building it in Japan, so of course they won't. Pretty obvious, really.
Re: #80
It could pull visitors away from Disney and USJ, so that country won't allow it to happen.
It could pull visitors away from Disney and USJ, so that country won't allow it to happen.
Japan should just go build something French without permission too, then.
Re: #87
And thus, Barbapapa Land is born! (Barbapapa — a classic French children's cartoon)
And thus, Barbapapa Land is born! (Barbapapa — a classic French children's cartoon)
Wasn't it three parties holding the Dragon Ball rights? Toriyama's family, Kodansha, and Sega, I think?
Re: #94
Kodansha making bank off this, lol.
Kodansha making bank off this, lol.
※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Live News G) thread “[Sad News] Signs Emerge That France’s Dragon Ball Theme Park Doesn’t Have Rights Holder Approval”.
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