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A thread that kicked off with the post “EVs are defective junk — Toyota’s hybrids are the pinnacle” quickly split into two camps: one pointing to Norway’s 97% EV adoption rate as a rebuttal, and another citing the unique conditions of Japan’s heavy-snowfall regions. The exchange dragged on with comparisons of snowfall totals and the state of roads after snow removal, before the back half of the thread shifted to differences in Toyota’s and Nissan’s corporate strategies.
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Is that really true though?
No doubt about it, the long-term shift to EVs is inevitable
Re: #9
Already wrong
Already wrong
Japanese people know it's game over if Toyota dies, so they just make up excuses to deny EVs
While everyone's pouring money into cars that are already doomed, China's going to grab the lead in physical AI too
While everyone's pouring money into cars that are already doomed, China's going to grab the lead in physical AI too
At least in places south of Tokyo where it doesn't snow, EVs are a good fit
Though you need a detached house where you can set up home charging
If you only drive on weekends, they work fine even in the city
Honestly might even beat gas cars since you don't have to worry about oil changes or carbon buildup
Though you need a detached house where you can set up home charging
If you only drive on weekends, they work fine even in the city
Honestly might even beat gas cars since you don't have to worry about oil changes or carbon buildup
Re: #23
The fact that Norway's EV adoption is already at 97% kind of kills the "but Japan has snow" argument from the start, IMO
The fact that Norway's EV adoption is already at 97% kind of kills the "but Japan has snow" argument from the start, IMO
Re: #32
Can't really say, the snow quality is different
Nordic countries don't get stranded-on-the-highway situations like the Kan-Etsu Expressway does
Also, the bumpy roads left after snow removal are still rough on EVs
Can't really say, the snow quality is different
Nordic countries don't get stranded-on-the-highway situations like the Kan-Etsu Expressway does
Also, the bumpy roads left after snow removal are still rough on EVs
Re: #32
That 97% is also the result of the government heavily subsidizing EVs as national policy, you know
That 97% is also the result of the government heavily subsidizing EVs as national policy, you know
There's also ammonia-fueled cars (nitrogen + hydrogen = ammonia)
Uses nitrogen and hydrogen as fuel instead of a battery
Zero CO2
Uses nitrogen and hydrogen as fuel instead of a battery
Zero CO2
Re: #29
Though that's not counting the manufacturing process
Though that's not counting the manufacturing process
Re: #36
If anything, Finland has a higher risk of that kind of highway stranding
If anything, Finland has a higher risk of that kind of highway stranding
Re: #38
Wait, where'd Norway go?
Nordic countries get light, powdery snow because of low humidity and low temps, so it's easy to clear
That's different from Japan's snow, which soaks up moisture from the Sea of Japan
You should try driving the bumpy roads on the Sea of Japan side after snow removal sometime
You'll see Alphards (Toyota's big minivan) with their bumpers knocked clean off all the time
Wait, where'd Norway go?
Nordic countries get light, powdery snow because of low humidity and low temps, so it's easy to clear
That's different from Japan's snow, which soaks up moisture from the Sea of Japan
You should try driving the bumpy roads on the Sea of Japan side after snow removal sometime
You'll see Alphards (Toyota's big minivan) with their bumpers knocked clean off all the time
Japanese people see cars as an asset, not just transportation, so the moment resale value goes to crap, EVs are off the table
It's just rich people buying them as a hobby
It's just rich people buying them as a hobby
Re: #58
I think there's demand for EVs as a run-around car
If Suzuki puts out an electric kei truck, I bet it'll dominate
Especially in the countryside, gas stations are closing left and right, but there's no shortage of solar power
I think there's demand for EVs as a run-around car
If Suzuki puts out an electric kei truck, I bet it'll dominate
Especially in the countryside, gas stations are closing left and right, but there's no shortage of solar power
Re: #52
Why are you lying so casually?
Norway's snow isn't powdery at all
If anything Norway's snow has higher humidity and the temperature climbs enough that it melts and turns into black ice
Also, bumpers falling off has nothing to do with whether it's an EV or not
Why are you lying so casually?
Norway's snow isn't powdery at all
If anything Norway's snow has higher humidity and the temperature climbs enough that it melts and turns into black ice
Also, bumpers falling off has nothing to do with whether it's an EV or not
Running the AC in an EV tanks the range pretty badly, right?
And going without AC during the brutal hot season is unthinkable
And going without AC during the brutal hot season is unthinkable
Re: #61
With AC running, a full charge only gets you 130km
With AC running, a full charge only gets you 130km
Re: #59
Go compare Nordic snowfall totals to Japan's, why don't you?
Bumpy roads are rough on EVs since the weight's concentrated low down where the battery's mounted
You're not really into cars, are you?
Go compare Nordic snowfall totals to Japan's, why don't you?
Bumpy roads are rough on EVs since the weight's concentrated low down where the battery's mounted
You're not really into cars, are you?
Re: #69
Your whole argument is built on a false premise to begin with
Why are you casually changing the subject?
Also, the bumpiness is about the same in Japan and Norway
And having the weight low down actually improves stability on snowy roads, so that's a plus
Your whole argument is built on a false premise to begin with
Why are you casually changing the subject?
Also, the bumpiness is about the same in Japan and Norway
And having the weight low down actually improves stability on snowy roads, so that's a plus
Re: #83
You've clearly never driven in snow
The bumper's gone before stability even becomes an issue
You've clearly never driven in snow
The bumper's gone before stability even becomes an issue
Re: #65
The whole point is that "EVs can't work in Japanese winters" is wrong to begin with
Whether Norway subsidizes EVs or not is beside the point
The whole point is that "EVs can't work in Japanese winters" is wrong to begin with
Whether Norway subsidizes EVs or not is beside the point
Re: #79
The question is whether they're actually usable in Japan, right?
So you have no objection to saying EVs are fine even in Japanese winters?
The question is whether they're actually usable in Japan, right?
So you have no objection to saying EVs are fine even in Japanese winters?
Re: #86
First prove you can get 300km+ of range with the heater running in the dead of winter
Otherwise it's useless
First prove you can get 300km+ of range with the heater running in the dead of winter
Otherwise it's useless
Re: #83
Did you not even look it up? Japan's max snow depth is 8m versus Norway's 2m
That's the total for the whole winter, so each individual snowfall in the Nordics isn't a big deal
Which means the bumpy post-plowing roads are on a completely different scale too
Please, just do the bare minimum of research
Did you not even look it up? Japan's max snow depth is 8m versus Norway's 2m
That's the total for the whole winter, so each individual snowfall in the Nordics isn't a big deal
Which means the bumpy post-plowing roads are on a completely different scale too
Please, just do the bare minimum of research
Re: #104
What's the point of just looking at max snow depth?
Also, if a place is plowed, the roads aren't that different
Don't tell me you think cars in an area with 8m of snow are driving on top of 8m of snow?
You've never driven in snow, have you
What's the point of just looking at max snow depth?
Also, if a place is plowed, the roads aren't that different
Don't tell me you think cars in an area with 8m of snow are driving on top of 8m of snow?
You've never driven in snow, have you
Re: #114
Speaking as someone from Aomori, you're the one who's wrong here
Why don't you just apologize
Speaking as someone from Aomori, you're the one who's wrong here
Why don't you just apologize
Re: #114
Couldn't read the part that said "for the whole winter," huh
If you actually drove, you'd instantly get why the frequency of heavy dumps matters
Couldn't read the part that said "for the whole winter," huh
If you actually drove, you'd instantly get why the frequency of heavy dumps matters
Saw this on TV
Apparently EV market share is creeping up little by little — in rural areas where gas stations are disappearing, there's growing demand for electric kei cars as a second car you can charge at home
They were also talking about how the market might shift as Chinese automakers move in
Apparently EV market share is creeping up little by little — in rural areas where gas stations are disappearing, there's growing demand for electric kei cars as a second car you can charge at home
They were also talking about how the market might shift as Chinese automakers move in
Re: #132
Only in rural areas
Even calling it "market share" is a stretch, it's nothing much
Only in rural areas
Even calling it "market share" is a stretch, it's nothing much
Re: #132
First you'd have to ask what percentage of people even have a home garage or parking spot where they can charge
First you'd have to ask what percentage of people even have a home garage or parking spot where they can charge
*This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Japanese netizens: ‘EVs are no good! Defective junk! Toyota’s hybrids are the supreme, ultimate answer’”.
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