Surge in Grave Closures Sparks Monk’s Complaint: “Too Poisoned by Capitalism” — 5ch Weighs In

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A video of a Buddhist monk lamenting that the growing number of Japanese people closing down their family graves are “too poisoned by capitalism” went viral on 5ch. The thread saw a wide range of opinions fly back and forth — from complaints about posthumous-name fees and temple-severance fees, to questions about how flush temples and monks themselves seem to be, to arguments that cremation alone is enough and graves aren’t even necessary.

[Grave Closures Are Surging] The Result Capitalism Brought Us

Source: youtube.com / Original video here

What people said

7AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:46
Honestly, we don't even need funerals.
Just cremate me and call it done.
17AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:49
Re: #7
Just do a subsidized cremation-only send-off.
Leave the ashes with the funeral home and forget about them — they'll end up in some communal grave eventually anyway.
10AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:47
A lot of Kyoto monks cruise around in Lexuses — what's that about?
138AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:26
Re: #10
Even yakuza want to get their hands on temples, so yeah, that's basically it.
12AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:48
That's because you people keep bleeding them dry with posthumous-name fees, memorial-anniversary fees, Obon, Higan, and whatever else.
15AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:49
Re: #12
So true.
They call it a "heartfelt donation, pay what you feel," but then get pissed if it's too little and phone in the service — makes no sense.
13AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:49
I visit the grave, and I pray at the family altar every day.
Though it all ends with me.
34AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:51
Re: #13
You don't have kids?
60AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:59
Re: #13
Yo, last of the line lmaooo
14AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:49
Why don't you guys just buy a grave?
193AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:55
Re: #14
Don't need one.
I'm fine with a tree burial.
22AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:50
Isn't it fine to just keep the memorial tablet at home and pray to it?
32AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:51
Re: #22
Apparently once you've got too many of those piled up over the generations, you can thin them out.
A Shinto priest told me that.
41AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:53
Went back to my parents' place for Obon for the first time in a while and stopped by the grave — saw someone scrubbing it down with a handheld pressure washer, kind of hilarious.
46AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:55
Re: #41
Honestly it's super convenient.
You still wipe it down by hand afterward, of course.
44AnonymousAug 24, 2026 12:54
That's you, you crappy monk.
The monk in my neighborhood is cruising around in a brand-new S-Class too.
67AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:00
Re: #44
I really hate how lavishly Kyoto's crappy monks live it up.
Back when I worked as a floor manager at a host club, monks would just show up wasted and hassle the girls.
I remember thinking, this guy's a walking bundle of worldly desires.
78AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:04
Honestly, a big part of why Japanese people's religious faith has faded is because of stuff like this.
89AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:06
Re: #78
I think that's a huge factor, honestly.
91AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:08
Not like the monk world has much room to talk — when they run out of money they just sell off their temple's corporate religious status to Chinese buyers at a premium.
93AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:08
Re: #91
Truly the Age of Dharma Decline we're living in. (mappō — the Buddhist doctrine that the teachings are in terminal decline)
110AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:16
Closing down a grave just means getting fleeced for nothing, so I'll leave it be.
It'll end up an abandoned grave once I'm gone anyway.
111AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:17
Re: #110
Yeah, it really did cost a lot.
129AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:23
Re: #110
Disposing of the grave itself costs money, but a lot of temples also slap you with this absurd "temple-severance fee" on top.
113AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:18
When I die I just want to be tossed straight into the Kamo River.
120AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:19
Re: #113
That riverbank's gonna end up looking like the Heian period.
139AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:26
To begin with, the reason cremation is even an issue in this country is that the furnaces are calibrated to burn slowly and leave bones behind, just to suit Buddhist practice.
Buddhism's the one causing the trouble here.
157AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:34
Re: #139
Wait, seriously???
143AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:28
Over on the grave-closure thread on Edge, people were saying closing a grave costs money too, so just leaving it alone is the best option.
156AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:33
Re: #143
Can't you just renounce the inheritance?
154AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:33
Monks were never really "clergy" to begin with.
Why do you think Musashibō Benkei went around armed?
Spreading a religion wasn't about winning converts through preaching — it was about crushing rival religions by force and scooping up the believers who'd lost their faith's home.
That's why Benkei carried weapons.

And where does the gambling happen in period dramas?
At temples.
The bookies running the gambling dens were temple monks — they were also the moneylenders of the era, and they used yakuza to collect debts.
They'd let the yakuza run the gambling den, then lend money to the losers.
That's actually where the word "terasen" (the house's cut of gambling winnings) comes from — "tera" means temple.
158AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:34
Re: #154
The bell Benkei looted from Mount Hiei is actually on display at Onjō-ji Temple.
Fun fact, both are in Ōtsu, right next door to Kyoto.
And Mount Hiei, of course, is the place Nobunaga burned to the ground.
172AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:42
Re: #154
Lol.
No wonder ordinary people were so eager to join the anti-Buddhist purges back in the day.
Should we do it again?
194AnonymousAug 24, 2026 13:55
You can say all that, but are you really okay with never attaining Buddhahood?
208AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:02
Re: #194
Nobody even knows whether there's a Buddhahood to attain in the first place.
239AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:09
Re: #194
What, are you anti-Buddha now?
211AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:02
Every time there's a memorial service, the monks' gear gets flashier.
Lately they're clanging these cymbal-looking things nonstop — so damn loud.
214AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:03
Re: #211
Sounds like a heavy spender (like a whale in a gacha game).
220AnonymousAug 24, 2026 14:04
Re: #211
That's just how Nichiren Buddhism does things.

Background and Key Points

The danka system that underpins this argument dates to the Edo period, when the shogunate’s terauke policy forced every household to register with a local Buddhist temple as proof it wasn’t Christian. That arrangement outlived its original anti-Christian purpose and became hereditary: families stayed tied to “their” temple for centuries, paying for kaimyō (posthumous Buddhist names, which are ranked and priced), annual memorial rites, and, if they ever try to leave, a rihikiryō (“temple-severance fee”) that can run into hundreds of thousands of yen. Meanwhile haka-jimai — closing and removing a family grave — has been rising sharply for years as rural populations shrink, families move to cities, and fewer households have heirs able to maintain a plot; local governments report grave-relocation permits roughly doubling over the past decade. Religious corporations (shūkyō hōjin) also enjoy broad tax exemptions, which is part of why lavish monk lifestyles read as galling rather than merely eccentric.

The thread wasn’t united on where to place blame: some treated the monk’s “capitalism” complaint as projection from an institution that itself invented fee after fee, while others pushed back that shrinking, urbanizing families are the real driver and temples are simply losing customers, not corrupting them.

What’s easy to miss is that danka membership was never a matter of personal faith to begin with — it was inherited registration, not conversion — so framing today’s exodus as people “losing religion” misreads a bureaucratic relationship as a spiritual one.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “[Sad News] Monk Snaps at Japanese People Who Keep Closing Down Their Graves: “Too Poisoned by Capitalism””.

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