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  • Kojima Hana’s Variety Show Talent Praised — 5ch: ‘She Can Ad-Lib as an MC’

    Hello! Project newcomer Kojima Hana’s impressive variety-show talent became a hot topic on 5ch’s Hello! Project board. While fans praised her ad-libbing as an MC and the fun factor of her social media and blog posts, many also pointed out that Hello! Project as a whole — despite having produced legendary variety talents like Yaguchi Mari and Fujimoto Miki — seems to have drifted away from the variety-show track in recent years.

    Commenters cited a handful of exceptions like Makino Maria and Ikuta Erina, while lamenting the agency’s training policies and the lack of TV exposure.

    1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:25
    Can ad-lib as an MC
    Her social media and blog posts are entertaining
    Apparently she's good at ogiri (comedic wordplay games) too
    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:28
    Variety skills are Stardust Promotion's whole weapon, you know.
    Hello! Project used to be strong in variety too, but these days it's just hopeless.
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:30
    Thing about Hello! Project — and you Hello-otaku too —
    you're always debating singing ability and dance skills, on-stage stuff.
    But nobody ever thinks about a strategy for actually making it in showbiz through comedy or acting/variety work, right?
    8AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:30
    Re: #6
    Take that complaint up with the agency, then?
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:32
    Re: #6
    That's a newbie/bandwagon fan talking.
    9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:31
    There's Yaguchi Mari-senpai, Fujimoto Miki-senpai — Hello! Project actually has great senpai to look up to,
    so why doesn't the current lineup learn anything from them about talk skills or comedy?
    She even did radio with the master himself, Akashiya Sanma, so why do today's Hello! Project members have zero variety skills? It's a shame.
    26AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:40
    Re: #9
    Probably nobody wants to get close to a senpai who had a scandal.
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:38
    Re: #9
    Takase talked in a way that was blatantly Yaguchi-like plenty of times, though.
    11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:32
    A super-skilled kid came in as Kurumin's replacement.
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:33
    Lately Makino Maria is about the only one who's been accepted into the variety world.
    She's clearly a favorite in the Lovit!/Ravit! crowd.
    The other one to watch is Ikuta Erina, who signed with Yoshimoto Kogyo (a major comedy talent agency) — curious how that turns out.
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:34
    They don't even put them on TV in the first place.
    86AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:28
    Re: #14
    Even if they were on TV, Hello-otaku wouldn't watch it anyway.
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:35
    She's cute though
    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/HQPTZWYb0AAmHiE.jpg:orig#.jpg
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:36
    Hey, hold on — Hello-otaku, let me say this.
    For an idol,
    singing and dancing matter, sure, but comedy/variety, drama acting, and swimsuit gravure matter even more, don't they?
    27AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:41
    Re: #21
    Take it up with the agency.
    40AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:53
    Re: #21
    She came over from Stardust to Up-Front Group after all, so earning through singing and dancing performances is the right call.
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:38
    I hope this becomes the spark that gets more funny Hello! Project members to wake up to the comedy path.
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:40
    Re: #23
    There's always been a certain number of 'variety members.'
    They just don't get much media exposure.
    38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:50
    I wonder if Yonemura's variety push flopped.
    She got invited onto a Cream Stew quiz segment, then a manzai prank segment that wasn't even the one originally planned, but after that it just stopped.
    43AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:54
    Re: #38
    The incompetent agency just doesn't push hard enough after that first appearance.
    47AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:59
    I've been watching Otsubo since her trainee days, and yeah, she still seems like a no-go?
    Feels like she just doesn't have that idol sense.
    Well, 2 out of 3 being hits is plenty good, I guess.
    49AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:03
    Re: #47
    Iffy whether she'll blossom once she's grown up.
    Compared to Kojima and Sugiyama, she just doesn't have enough of a standout weapon.
    https://youtu.be/WaWqLdwyt0M?si=WxBIaaxwsC4SMRE1
    52AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:05
    Re: #49
    Yuna-bo actually looks more mature in this clip.
    54AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:06
    I don't usually watch Beyooooonds much, but catching them at a festival alongside my favorite group, Kojima and Sugiyama caught my eye — Otsubo honestly didn't leave much of an impression.
    56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:08
    Re: #54
    In Morning Musume too, Yasuda and Sugihara stood out.
    64AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:24
    It's just not fair that Beyooooonds gets both Hana-chan and Yuina-chan!
    Trade us Yasuda and Suzuki for them.
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:25
    Re: #64
    That trash agency is always great at scattering talented members around, isn't it.
    81AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:15
    You'll definitely find your oshi here.
    Young or old, male or female —
    with Hana, Mano, and Yuna you'll be totally fine (a pun: 大丈V, playing on 'daijoubu')!
    82AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:17


    88AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:30
    Somehow her hairstyle and fashion were more stylish before she joined Hello! Project.
    Are they deliberately toning her down to fit the Hello! Project look?
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:38
    Re: #88
    Yeah, exactly.
    I remember Nishida saying something like 'the newcomers dutifully follow the rules,' so they're probably restricted on things like hairstyle and colored contacts.
    89AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:30
    Got the shot… ♡ Murata Yui
    I got to take a photo with Kojima Hana-san!
    Man, I really like her
    I ended up muttering "you're so cool"
    right in front of her without meaning to —
    sorry if that made things awkward for her 🙇🏻‍🙇🏻‍♀
    97AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:54
    She was probably like this back in her Amefura days too (an earlier group/era of hers).
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBC56aJaEAAA58k.jpg:orig

    Background and Key Points

    Hello! Project (often shortened to “H!P”) is the idol collective founded in 1998 under producer Tsunku and now managed by Up-Front Group, home to Morning Musume, Angerme, and junior units like BEYOOOOONDS, where Kojima Hana and the other members discussed in the thread are currently active. Unlike agencies such as Stardust Promotion — which Kojima came from, and which is built around cultivating actors and general tarento — or Yoshimoto Kogyo, the country’s dominant comedy agency that Ikuta Erina has separately signed with, H!P’s business has historically centered on live concerts, CDs/DVDs, and stage work rather than TV crossover. That makes the two commonly cited exceptions, Yaguchi Mari and Fujimoto Miki, notable: both parlayed Morning Musume fame into long-running variety and talk-show careers, Fujimoto even co-hosting radio with Akashiya Sanma, one of Japan’s most influential comedians.

    The thread’s actual disagreement wasn’t about Kojima’s talent, which nobody contested, but about why H!P as a whole produces so few variety-ready members now: some blamed agency training and image restrictions (hairstyle, contacts, media bookings), others blamed individual members for lacking the aptitude, and one post undercut both by suggesting H!P’s own fanbase wouldn’t tune into variety appearances even if they happened.

    What the thread doesn’t address is that this may be a deliberate business tradeoff rather than a failure: since H!P’s revenue model rewards stage and merchandise loyalty over broad TV recognition, reduced variety exposure could reflect strategy, not neglect. Readers should also note “ogiri” (mentioned once, unexplained) refers to improvised comedic-answer games, a specific skill Japanese TV variety heavily tests and rewards.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Sorry, but Kojima Hana’s variety skills are insane.”

  • Ashida Mana and Takahashi Fumiya’s Café Two-Shot Sparks Buzz — 5ch: “Isn’t That Meruru’s Ex-Boyfriend? lol”

    Ashida Mana, who is starring in a TV drama series for the first time in two and a half years, was reportedly spotted chatting with co-star Takahashi Fumiya at a café in Tokyo early on the morning of August 4.

    On 5ch, comments jumped on the co-star connection with posts like “Isn’t that Meruru’s ex-boyfriend? lol,” and the discussion spread to cover her reported annual income of 680 million yen and recent takes on her acting skills.

    [Spotted] Ashida Mana, Starring in a Drama Series for the First Time in 2.5 Years, “Chatting Alone Together Even During Breaks” — Side by Side With a “Handsome Actor Three Years Her Senior”

    Ashida Mana and Takahashi Fumiya were spotted early on the morning of August 4 outside a café in Tokyo.

    They stood close together looking friendly — so what’s really going on here?

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:09
    Isn't that Meruru's ex-boyfriend? lol (Meruru = nickname of talent/model Ami Umi)
    5AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:11
    Re: #3
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UX0_6gyit10/maxresdefault.jpg
    4AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:11
    Imada Mio:
    "Oh, if Kawaguchi AND Mana-chan both disappear, that makes me the queen of commercials"
    13AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:16
    An annual income of 680 million yen……
    no wonder guys are lining up
    14AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:17
    She got a drastic haircut recently, didn't she
    this pretty much confirms it
    17AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:22
    Re: #14
    cute
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HPMQCH4b0AAvDsR.jpg
    https://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/articles_img/900196838_1200.jpg
    16AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:20
    Ashida Mana and Honda Miyu are our last hope
    20AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:24
    Re: #16
    You can have Honda Miyu, I don't need her
    do whatever you want lol
    18AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:23
    33AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:02
    Re: #18
    Can't be helped, honestly
    35AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:10
    Re: #18
    He's got that soft, pretty-boy look
    even Fuku-kun can't compete with this
    21AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:25
    All this fuss over them just chatting during a break
    23AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:26
    If you actually read the article, they're just having a friendly chat with a co-star lol
    25AnonymousAug 18, 2026 06:28
    So the kid from 'Mother' is going to become a mother herself, huh…… ("Mother" = the 2010 drama she starred in as a child)
    37AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:15
    Kubo-chan didn't even get a mention lol
    38AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:16
    Apparently her parents aren't interested in celebrities at all
    and supposedly want her to marry a government bureaucrat or something
    49AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:34
    A lot of the child actors from that era, like Mana-chan and Fuku-kun, turned out pretty well-adjusted
    even that kid who got mercilessly trashed online back in his child-actor days grew up into a buff, handsome guy
    80AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:51
    Re: #49
    Who's this buff handsome guy you're talking about?
    54AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:37
    It's not like they stayed the night together or anything, so it's fine
    55AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:38
    This was probably a reshoot her agency arranged on purpose
    65AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:55
    Mana-chan's acting has zero charm whatsoever
    66AnonymousAug 18, 2026 07:59
    Re: #65
    TV stations aren't expecting good acting from Mana-chan anyway
    they're banking on the huge sponsors standing behind her
    68AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:02
    Re: #65
    Everyone's entitled to their own taste, but there's no need to go out of your way to trash her
    82AnonymousAug 18, 2026 09:43
    Re: #65
    She's been doing nothing but commercials and variety shows, so her acting's gotten worse
    67AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:00
    Maybe it's tough to find roles for her age, but lately I only ever see her on variety shows and in commercials
    69AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:02
    Re: #67
    You're just out of the loop
    75AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:24
    77AnonymousAug 18, 2026 08:32
    Re: #75
    The manager looks awfully used to holding her lol
    89AnonymousAug 18, 2026 10:26
    Middle-aged guys really do all love Ashida Mana-chan, huh
    and the creepy part is they're looking at her as a woman, not as a granddaughter or daughter figure

    Background and Key Points

    Ashida Mana became one of Japan’s most recognizable faces as a child actress, breaking through in the 2010 TBS drama “Mother” and going on to front dozens of commercials; her reported ¥680 million annual income reflects that rare status of a former child star who successfully transitioned into a top-tier CM (commercial) talent. This is billed as her first regular drama role in two and a half years, which is why a simple café sighting with co-star Takahashi Fumiya became newsworthy at all — Japanese entertainment reporting treats these “two-shot” (futari, or paparazzi-style spotted-together) photos as inherently suggestive of romance, even absent any real evidence. The thread itself was posted to 5ch’s Hello! Project board, an idol-fan subforum, despite Ashida having no connection to that talent agency group — a reminder that 5ch threads often migrate across boards based on which community is currently roasting the subject.

    Posters didn’t really split over whether something romantic happened; nearly everyone treated it as innocuous. The actual divide was over her acting ability, with critics arguing her heavy commercial/variety-show workload has left her skills stagnant, and others pushing back that such criticism is unnecessary or that she simply isn’t being offered dramatic roles suited to her age.

    What’s easy to miss: nothing here confirms a relationship — it’s a single unverified sighting reported by a tabloid-style outlet, and the ¥680 million figure is an outside estimate, not disclosed income. The “Meruru” nickname reference to Ami Umi is also an in-joke unrelated to Ashida herself, likely triggered by a resemblance rumor rather than any real link between the two.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hello! Project) thread “[Sad News] Ashida Mana-san lolololol.”

  • “Anyone Who’s Not a STEM Major Is a Defective Product”: Theory Thread Hits a Wall of Jargon, Debate Goes in Circles

    On 5ch’s Newsoku VIP board, a regular thread-starter developing a homegrown theory of borderline personality disorder — that “non-STEM people are defective products” — invoked existentialism and cell cleavage to lay out the argument. Readers repeatedly complained that the heavy jargon made it hard to follow and called for a plain explanation, while the OP pushed back each time. The two sides never really connected, and the discussion went in circles.

    1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:54
    Just so you know, you're welcome to push back hard here too.
    The whole point is Q&A, and there's a chance I'm wrong, after all.
    2AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:54
    I put together a summary in one post the other day, so let me paste that here first.






    26 Posted below by VIP via 5channel 2026/07/02 (Thu) 21:44:13.338 ID:Gom1reQs0
    Re: #22
    It's fine if it's in writing.

    ・From Jaspers' existentialism: "values = the inverse calculation of setbacks"
    ・From cell cleavage: "the individual = a mechanism that exists for infrastructure"
    ・The defining trait of borderline personality is "infantile omnipotence"

    Because of this "omnipotence," you can't experience "setbacks," so you can't form "values," so you never settle on "what infrastructure you're meant to support," so the need to be an "individual" never arises.

    Mentally you never become an "individual," yet physically you exist as one anyway.
    That's the "error," and "borderline personality" is the attempt to compensate for it.
    That's "the true nature of borderline personality."

    Conversely, if you translate "setback" — i.e., "the capacity to make contact with existence" — into a human category, that's "STEM."

    Hence the thread title.
    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:46
    ⑫ By the way, at the cellular level, cells that fail to differentiate properly get broken down and become nutrients for other cells.
    I'll leave it up to each of you to interpret what that corresponds to at the level of the individual.
    34AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:53
    Not gonna read a wall of text, but why exactly are non-STEM people "defective"?
    The two groups differ in kind, not quantity, and they perform different roles in society.
    Society needs all sorts of different abilities.
    41AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:57
    Re: #34
    At least read Re: #2, lol.
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:35
    Your terminology is way too optimized for your own head.
    Even if it's a bit imprecise, please use more widely understood terms.
    15AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:38
    Re: #14
    Honestly, that's already a bad sign.
    "Existentialism should bend to my reading comprehension" — that attitude alone is a nonstarter.

    Anyway, what part don't you get?
    Point to something specific and I'll answer it.
    29AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:50
    Re: #14
    You're not going to specify what exactly you don't understand?
    Guess I'll wrap this up then?

    Well, it's a recurring thread, so there's always next time.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:51
    I see this thread pop up now and then — what's it even for?
    35AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:53
    Re: #30
    Solving the borderline personality problem.
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:55
    Re: #35
    Everyone except you
    shares the common goal of
    recognizing the borderline personality issue as a form of diversity.

    Communities that can't preserve this kind of diversity tend to die out.
    82AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:16
    Re: #35
    What's the "borderline personality problem"?
    That term hasn't come up anywhere in this discussion.
    46AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:59
    Re: #41
    Ugh, too much hassle.
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:00
    Re: #46
    Funny you ask — there's already a reply today covering exactly that.
    Here, Re: #15.
    61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:07
    Re: #50
    First off, not understanding jargon and lacking reading comprehension are two different things.
    Also, jargon exists so experts can skip explanations among themselves.
    If you want people here to actually listen, try explaining it plainly and simply, without the jargon.
    63AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:08
    Re: #61
    To someone like you I could just say "ggrks" ("Google it, dumbass" — classic 5ch brush-off)










    and leave it at that, but fine — which term don't you get?
    65AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:09
    Re: #61
    Jargon is just shorthand — if you can't explain it in your own words without changing the meaning, it's pointless.

    He's just using intimidating-sounding words to seem smart and dodge the question.
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:00
    LOL he bailed right before midnight.
    OP loses.
    52AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:02
    Re: #49
    If someone ran away, doesn't that make ME the winner, lol
    Though we're not actually competing.
    94AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:21
    Normally by this point he's already said

    "I'm wrapping this up!"

    and bolted, so

    why is the OP still hanging around?

    Feel free to "run away" already, lol

    Surprised you're the one calling this "running away," lol
    97AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #94
    Huh? Wait, is Re: #49 talking about me?
    I'm around before and after midnight like normal.
    84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:17
    Hurry up and explain it plainly and concisely.
    Don't have that ability?
    88AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:18
    Re: #84
    Figured as much.

    As his own copy-paste shows, it's just a random assemblage of logic — even he doesn't know what he's saying, and he can never explain the same thing the same way twice.
    And he can't actually explain or elaborate on it either.

    That's just the kind of guy he is.
    89AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:19
    Re: #84
    Huh? Didn't I just tell you "impossible for idiots to grasp"?
    What happened?
    85AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:18
    Re: #82
    It's literally right there at the top of the thread title, lol

    "Borderline personality" is the umbrella term for Cluster B personality disorders, of which there are four:

    ・Narcissistic personality disorder
    ・Borderline personality disorder
    ・Histrionic personality disorder
    ・Antisocial personality disorder

    The problems with these
    96AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #85
    The term "borderline personality problem" never actually came up.
    I get what "borderline personality" means now.

    What I don't get is the "problem" part.
    What exactly do you mean by "solving the borderline personality problem"?
    101AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:25
    Re: #96
    Correction —
    to be precise,
    the term "borderline personality problem" never came up.
    105AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #96
    That's just because you don't know about borderline personality disorder.
    It's almost never discussed as anything other than a problem.

    The "borderline personality problem" keeps existing because "the cause is unknown" and "a false cause has spread."
    I'm kicking that ladder out from under it and spreading the correct answer — "it's simply a defective product" — to tear down the whole illness-as-vested-interest racket.
    123AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:39
    Re: #105
    So: the solution to the borderline personality problem is spreading the true cause — the fact that it's "simply a defective product" — to tear down the illness-as-vested-interest racket, and that's the whole reason Re: #1 started this thread?
    Is that what you're saying?
    125AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:40
    Re: #123
    Yeah.
    That's the gist of it.
    126AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:41
    Re: #123
    If anything, the more central part is this bit:

    "The borderline personality problem keeps existing because 'the cause is unknown' and 'a false cause has spread' — I'm kicking that ladder out from under it."

    That's really the main point.
    160AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:01
    Well, it's 1am, so I'll call it here.
    It's a recurring thread, so if you've got objections or opinions, there's always next time.
    185AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:13
    Glad it looks like things got wrapped up.
    175AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:08
    It's your fault you can't understand what I'm trying to say.

    And that's been his whole attitude from start to finish.
    177AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:09
    Re: #175
    Huh? I genuinely don't understand what you're saying.
    Write in Japanese, lol
    182AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:12
    Re: #175
    What's wrong, lol
    Come on, write in Japanese, lolol
    197AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:19
    I mean at this point whoever replies last basically wins, so he's just gotta grind it out. Let the man do his thing.
    198AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:20
    Re: #197
    Seriously?
    Alright, I'm jumping in too then.
    199AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:21
    Re: #197
    Though you should probably go study Japanese, lolol

    Background and Key Points

    The rikei/bunkei (science-track vs. humanities-track) divide is a fixture of Japanese education — students are sorted into one or the other as early as high school, and the split feeds decades of good-natured and not-so-good-natured sniping online about which group is “smarter” or more useful to society. Newsoku VIP, the board this thread comes from, is one of 5channel’s oldest anonymous forums, known for recurring “theory” threads where a single poster returns again and again with the same pet argument to bait reactions; several posters here note explicitly that they’ve seen this OP’s “borderline personality” thread before, which frames the whole exchange as a known ritual rather than a fresh debate. “Borderline personality” (境界性人格) is being used loosely as an umbrella for Cluster B traits (narcissistic, borderline, histrionic, antisocial), not as a rigorous clinical DSM diagnosis.

    The thread didn’t actually split over whether STEM people are superior — almost nobody engages with that claim on the merits. It split over whether jargon is a legitimate way to argue at all: the OP insists critics name a specific term they don’t understand before he’ll explain, while critics counter that an inability to restate a claim in plain words is itself evidence the arguer doesn’t fully understand it. Neither side moves.

    What’s easy to miss is that the OP’s own “problem” framing was never established before he was pressed on it — a poster (>>96) points out the phrase “borderline personality problem” appears nowhere earlier in the thread, meaning the OP was retrofitting his conclusion. That’s less a philosophical disagreement than a rhetorical improvisation being caught in real time.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Newsoku VIP) thread [“I Figured Out the True Nature of Borderline Personality”] I’m the guy from the “non-STEM people are defective products” thread — let’s talk about the original “existential theory of borderline personality” [losing to a script, lol].

  • Pachinko and Horse Racing, but Not Stocks? 5ch Weighs In: ‘Poor People Should Stick to Poor People’s Gambling’

    A simple question — “Why don’t people who play pachinko and bet on horse races just invest in stocks instead?” — touched off a heated debate between the investing camp and the gambling camp on 5ch’s Nandemo Jikkyo G (“Live News”) board. Some pushed stocks, pointing to the Nikkei’s 26% and 31% annual gains and the gulf between pachinko’s roughly 20% house cut and the near-zero fees of online brokerages. Others shot back with lines like “poor people should stick to poor people’s gambling” and “I’m not trying to climb the social ladder,” revealing that for them gambling was never about profit but the thrill of play itself — leaving the two sides talking past each other.

    1AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:31
    Are you stupid?
    Why would you deliberately do something with such a low expected value?
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:33
    Found the genius who thinks investing and gambling are the same thing.
    Anyone with real money obviously already invests, this comes up every single time.
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:34
    Re: #7
    Investing is gambling too, dude.
    Only the expected value is different.
    11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:34
    Because hitting a 1.1x payout on a place bet (fukushō, betting a horse to finish top 3) is faster than waiting for a stock to climb 10%.
    16AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:36
    Re: #11
    Even large-cap stocks have been popping 10% easily lately.
    Miss a place bet and your ticket's worthless paper.
    With stocks, even if you're wrong, waiting it out can turn things around into a profit.
    13AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:34
    Well, obviously — don't knock it, be grateful for the government's tax revenue.
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:38
    Re: #13
    So idiots end up paying both the "pachinko tax" and an "inflation tax" for not investing in stocks?
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:35
    If you try to win and lose at the same rate you would gambling,
    stocks actually leave you worse off than horse racing or pachinko.
    20AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:38
    Re: #14
    Huh? No they don't.
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:38
    A real gambler bets on the shot at turning 10,000 yen into 15x in two minutes, even if that same 10,000 yen is guaranteed to double in a year some other way. Wimps (the poster used a crude anti-gay slur) can go do stocks instead.
    26AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:41
    Re: #19
    Day-trade on full margin and stocks can multiply many times over in one shot too, you know.
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:38
    The fun is picking it yourself, playing it yourself, and feeling the win or the loss.
    That's just a different thing from stocks.
    28AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:42
    Re: #21
    You can pick your own individual stocks too, though.
    32AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:43
    Re: #20
    Stocks' edge basically comes down to the fact that share prices keep going up over the long run.
    In pachinko terms, it's like the payout rate being set above 4 yen per ball —
    actually sitting there racking up balls is a whole separate issue.
    39AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:47
    Re: #32
    For starters, the house cut is totally different.
    Pachinko parlors skim about 20%, so bet 100 yen and you only get 80 back on average.

    With stocks, online brokerages barely charge fees, so the "house" takes almost nothing.
    38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:46
    Because horse racing's annual return rate is positive.
    45AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:50
    Re: #38
    Of course it's positive.
    The Nikkei was up 26% last year and 31% this year.
    Just buying a boring old ETF gets you gains like that.
    People who bought Kioxia made dozens of times their money.
    88AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:23
    Re: #45
    The return rate on the spring G1 races is over 1000%, though.
    47AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:51
    Re: #44
    What, got a problem with that?
    Then bring an actual counterargument.
    49AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:53
    Re: #47
    Well sure, if you want to believe stocks aren't skimming a cut off you, go right ahead.
    They work hard to make you think that.
    48AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:52
    With horse racing you never know how much you could lose.
    With pachinko, even on a brutal day you're only out a bit over 100,000 yen, so it's still playable.
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:53
    Re: #48
    You already know this — neither horse racing nor stocks can cost you more than what you staked.
    52AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:55
    "Expected value" lol.
    Spoken like someone who's never actually traded stocks (a classic "airprei," 5ch slang for talking big about something you've never actually done).
    56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:56
    Re: #52
    The only gambling where you can actually pin down a fixed number like that is slots, since there's no chaos factor involved.
    57AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:56
    Re: #52
    Expected value is the basic foundation of every kind of gambling.
    Not understanding that just makes you an idiot and easy prey 🦆
    54AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:55
    Anyway, there's no point fighting at the same table as filthy-rich people you can't even fathom.
    Poor people should just stick to poor people's gambling.
    Acting rich doesn't make you rich.
    61AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:58
    Re: #54
    Stocks actually give poor people a better shot at climbing up in the world — so why go out of your way to play pachinko or bet on horses instead?
    64AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:58
    Re: #61
    I'm not climbing anywhere.
    That was never the goal to begin with.
    67AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:00
    Re: #61
    Even with stocks you're not climbing up in the world.
    55AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:55
    The whole process is way too much of a hassle.
    You can't just pop in and be done in two minutes like at the pachinko parlor.
    63AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:58
    Re: #55
    Once you've got an account set up, buying and selling is easy.
    58AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:57
    If there were a place like a pachinko parlor or a betting shop where I could just walk in with cash, buy some stock, see the result, and walk right back out, I'd go every single day.
    68AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:00
    Re: #58
    With stocks you don't even need to go anywhere — you can do it from home, or honestly anywhere, anytime, right on your phone.
    59AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:57
    Looks to me like you're just riding high because the market happens to be good right now.
    No different from a pachinko addict (pachinkasu, mocking slang for pachinko junkies) celebrating after hitting a lucky trigger.
    65AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:59
    Re: #59
    Nope.
    This is a major bull run that's going to last for decades.
    Japan has entered an era of inflation, so skip stocks and you'll just get hit with an inflation tax.
    69AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:01
    Probably because just watching a number go up and down isn't any fun.
    71AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:02
    Re: #69
    It's incredibly fun, actually.
    The dopamine hits are insane.
    75AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:05
    Re: #69
    Maybe someone should build a dedicated trading app with flashy pachinko-style animations for people like that.
    90AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:24
    You shouldn't go around recommending investing to people.
    Let's just sit back and enjoy watching what happens to the people who stubbornly refuse to touch stocks.
    92AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:27
    Re: #90
    But isn't investing something the government itself recommends?
    97AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:31
    Re: #92
    That's beside the point.

    A true gambler owns everything that happens to them.
    98AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:31
    Re: #92
    If you don't invest, you're finished.
    Which is exactly why it's more fun not to recommend it.

    Background and Key Points

    Pachinko occupies a strange legal space in Japan: outright gambling for cash is illegal, so parlors pay out steel balls that players exchange for prizes at a separate counter, a loophole that lets an industry estimated to move tens of trillions of yen a year operate openly. Horse racing, by contrast, is legal parimutuel betting run by the Japan Racing Association, with takeout rates (the house’s cut) typically in the 20-30% range depending on bet type. Both stand in sharp contrast to the stock market, where the Nikkei 225’s back-to-back 20%+ gains and Japan’s post-2024 shift into a mild-inflation, negative-real-rate environment have made “put your money in an index fund instead” a mainstream talking point, amplified by the government’s own tax-free NISA investment scheme aimed at exactly this kind of household saver.

    The thread didn’t actually split over math — nobody seriously disputed that stocks carry a better expected value than pachinko or horse betting. It split over what the money is for. The investing camp treated gambling as a suboptimal wealth-building tool; the gambling camp insisted they were never trying to build wealth, they were paying for two minutes of dopamine, and measuring that against a fund’s expected value misses the point entirely.

    What’s conspicuously absent is any mention of NISA by name, even though it’s the government program built precisely to nudge small-time gamblers into the market — several posters gesture at “the government wants you to invest” without naming the actual policy vehicle for it.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Why don’t people who play pachinko and bet on horse races just invest in stocks?.”

  • DeNA’s Fujinami Demoted to Minors After Wild Outing — Control Woes and Dropping Velocity Take Their Toll

    DeNA’s Shintaro Fujinami made his first appearance in a month against the Yomiuri Giants on August 20, but the outing fell apart: he lasted only into the 3rd inning, giving up 4 hits and 3 runs before being pulled, and his demotion to the minors soon followed. On 5ch, opinions clashed head-on over the cause of his control problems — some blame lingering damage from being overworked under manager Tomoaki Kanemoto during his Hanshin days, when he was forced to throw over 160 pitches in a game, while others say it simply comes down to a lack of ability.

    DeNA’s Shintaro Fujinami falls apart in first start in a month… heading to the minors. Is he now at risk of being “left out of next season’s plans”?

    In a game where the team was going for a series sweep, it turned into a betrayal on the mound. DeNA’s Shintaro Fujinami was knocked out on August 20, 2026 against the Giants after just 2⅓ innings, giving up 4 hits and 3 runs — his shortest outing of the season. He also struggled with his ongoing control issues, walking 4 batters.

    ■ “Right now, Fujinami’s control isn’t the only unstable thing…”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:29
    If only he'd found a good coach
    Makes you wonder — what if he'd gotten one of the Giants' miracle-worker coaches
    13AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:35
    Re: #2
    That "miracle-worker" coach
    was actually Hanshin's pitching coach back when Fujinami was there
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:34
    Old Showa-era logic says hand him off to someone like Yoshinori Sato
    Have him throw 300 pitches in the bullpen
    Last resort
    14AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:36
    Re: #11
    Wasn't he already put through something close to that back in his Hanshin days?
    19AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:40
    Re: #14
    Don't know about that, just saying do it now
    24AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:44
    Re: #19
    You think his control problems just started recently or something?
    26AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:45
    They keep calling it his "back against the wall," but he's been there for ages now. He shows no sense of urgency himself, and everyone around him coddles him way too much
    33AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:47
    Re: #26
    More like he's neck-deep in the water by now
    41AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:57
    It's because Kanemoto made him throw 160 pitches
    He had a career path similar to Matsuzaka and Tanaka going back to high school, and year 4 as a pro is when accumulated fatigue tends to tank a guy's numbers
    But Kanemoto threw a tantrum and pushed him too hard anyway, and that's what finished him
    54AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:08
    Re: #41
    Kanemoto had become a washed-up player, and Toritani used to bail him out by shifting position for him
    Then once Kanemoto became manager, when Toritani made an error he flew into a rage
    and after that, when the team gave up a run, he kicked over a chair
    https://www.sanspo.com/article/20160518-4BZJUFP7YJNMLF5KI7ACSUFHXI/
    In his final year, with the team in last place, fans outside the hotel shouted
    "Kanemoto, quit!" and he lost it at them
    https://youtu.be/eVNz9pvtNo0
    Guy's got a hair-trigger temper
    56AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:09
    Re: #41
    Nah, that's not it
    Year 4 is just when the savings built up from his brutal high school training finally ran out
    45AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:02
    If there were an AI that could fix Fujinami, Kenta Kozono wouldn't be in the sorry state he's in now either
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:05
    Re: #45
    In his case, isn't it just that he's got too much on his mind to focus on the game?
    51AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:05
    Kanemoto's the one to blame
    though the diehard "Are" fans (Hanshin fans, after the team's 2023 pennant code-word) will show up to deny it
    59AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:11
    Re: #51
    Kanemoto's the one who broke him mentally and delivered the finishing blow, but the shoulder and back injuries and the aimless mechanics overhauls that followed are on the coaching staff and on Fujinami himself
    61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:12
    Re: #51
    That says it all
    58AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:11
    Re: #56
    His stats improved every year through his third pro season
    Same pattern as Matsuzaka and Tanaka
    63AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:14
    Re: #58
    Did you actually look at his third-year stats?
    64AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:16
    It's not just the 160-pitch game
    He was pushed hard all season despite not being at full strength from accumulated fatigue
    He threw the second-most pitches in the Central League that season
    Only Messenger threw more, so Fujinami led all Japanese pitchers

    See, this is exactly the kind of thing the "Are" fans show up to deny
    69AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:20
    Re: #64
    And so what, honestly
    He kept pitching, so he's not "broken"
    It's a technical issue
    71AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:26
    Re: #69
    You just don't get the concept of pitcher wear and tear
    Even if it were a technical issue, all he did was decline through Kanemoto's three years
    Kanemoto's to blame, he bears the responsibility
    73AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:31
    Re: #71
    2016: 169 innings
    2017: 59 innings
    2018: 71 innings

    So under the Kanemoto regime he barely pitched at all by the end
    He fell off on his own
    72AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:30
    I watched the game where they let him throw 161 pitches, and honestly, from Kanemoto's side it was the kind of game where you'd want to keep him out there. Fujinami was pitching just that pathetically.
    74AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:32
    Re: #72
    It'd be a different story if they'd kept in mind that, following the Matsuzaka/Tanaka pattern, fatigue might tank his numbers
    Instead they told him to go win 19 games — expectations were way too high
    75AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:34
    Re: #73
    "Barely pitched" just means he wasn't good enough to use in the majors anymore
    That's how far he'd fallen
    76AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:36
    Re: #75
    Blaming Kanemoto for him never recovering after that is ridiculous
    It's a lack of ability
    79AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:39
    Re: #76
    "Lack of ability"? He improved steadily through his third pro year, all the way up to Sawamura Award contention

    By that logic, was Chunichi's Asao's short career due to lack of ability, or just overconfidence?
    81AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:41
    Re: #79
    He just never got his mechanics back, right?
    Blaming that on someone else makes no sense
    Did someone force a mechanics overhaul on him? Never heard that
    84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:44
    Re: #81
    No matter how much you insist, it doesn't change the fact that he broke Fujinami and the team ended up in last place
    94AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:58
    Re: #84
    He didn't "break" him
    Sometimes a subtle mechanical glitch just never gets fixed
    Look at Chunichi's Takahashi, he fell apart too
    Especially common with players straight out of high school
    96AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:01
    They should just bring back his high school training regimen
    102AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:07
    Re: #96
    Apparently, compared to his days at Osaka Toin, pro baseball training was easy for Fujinami
    99AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:06
    Re: #94
    Takahashi's just having an off year, there's a good chance he bounces back next year and beyond
    101AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:07
    Re: #99
    Same goes for Fujinami then
    People kept saying it was just a minor glitch since he was still hitting 150+ km/h
    He even had an MLB contract on the table
    103AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:10
    Re: #101
    Fujinami could've bounced back too if he hadn't been overworked in year four
    The fact he hasn't performed well since is proof he got broken
    104AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:11
    Re: #103
    If anything, his velocity kept going up though
    105AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:13
    Age-related decline is a big factor. This is the bill coming due for being overworked when he was young
    107AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:17
    Re: #105
    He's been wild since his Hanshin days

    Background and Key Points

    Shintaro Fujinami was once considered one of Japan’s premier pitching prospects, a hard-throwing right-hander out of Osaka Toin High School who joined the Hanshin Tigers in 2013 and, by his third pro season, was in Sawamura Award contention (Japan’s equivalent of the Cy Young). Under manager Tomoaki Kanemoto, Fujinami was pushed to a 161-pitch outing and led all Japanese-born pitchers in innings that year; his performance collapsed almost immediately afterward, and by 2018 he had been reduced to a fringe roster arm. He later signed an MLB contract, pitching for the Orioles and Athletics before returning to NPB with DeNA. That history is what makes his August 20, 2026 disaster start against the Yomiuri Giants — pulled after 2⅓ innings, four walks, three runs — read as a recurring pattern rather than an isolated bad night.

    The thread split cleanly on causation: one camp treats the 161-pitch game and the Matsuzaka/Tanaka-style “fourth-year fatigue” pattern as the root cause, with Kanemoto’s temper (documented incidents of him throwing chairs and berating fans) cited as corroborating evidence of poor man-management; the other camp points to hard innings/workload data showing Fujinami actually pitched very little under Kanemoto afterward (59 and 71 innings), arguing this proves talent erosion rather than abuse, and that his velocity has stayed strong for years, meaning it’s a mechanical or “lack of ability” issue, not physical breakdown.

    What neither side raises: Fujinami’s control problems predate the Kanemoto-era workload entirely — he was already known for wildness in high school and his rookie years — meaning both “overwork” and “pure decline” framings may be overstating a fixable single cause for what has always been an inconsistent delivery.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geisports Sokuho+) thread “[Baseball] DeNA’s Shintaro Fujinami falls apart in first start in a month… demoted to minors, control issues persist and fastball velocity drops. Is he now at risk of being “left out of next season’s plans”?“

  • Chiben Wakayama Alum’s “Why Almost Nobody Quits the Team” Post Sparks Reaction

    A post by Kohei Morimoto, a former captain of Chiben Wakayama, explaining “why almost nobody quits the baseball team” went viral on X (formerly Twitter). On 5ch, users debated the team’s selective entry process—given that it fields only around 40 players a year while most Koshien regulars carry rosters of about 100—compared it to the old PL Gakuen powerhouse, and discussed how well its graduates have actually fared in professional baseball.

    At the summer Koshien tournament, Chiben Wakayama (Wakayama) won a hard-fought battle against Kenei Takasaki (Gunma) to claim its fourth championship, tying for sixth-most all-time.

    While many Koshien regulars carry rosters of around 100 players, Chiben Wakayama’s team hovers at roughly 40 each year. They put in some of the heaviest training loads in the country, yet almost all of the players stick it out for all three years.

    Kohei Morimoto, who served as Chiben Wakayama’s team captain in 2004, laid out his own firsthand explanation in an X post titled “Why Almost Nobody Quits the Chiben Wakayama Baseball Team.”

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:47
    Schools like Urawa Gakuin, which force third-years off the bench entirely, should be banned for life.
    91AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:43
    Re: #2
    Isn't it an annual tradition there to make them run all the way home from Kenei-Omiya Station to Urawa-Misono and force every third-year to retire?
    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:51
    So basically, just like the old PL Gakuen, they're heavily screened before they're even allowed to join.
    66AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:41
    Re: #5
    That's probably part of it, but maybe they're also screening for personality, like Aoyama Gakuin University's ekiden (relay marathon) team…

    Can junior high kids even be judged on that…
    Then again, they're already filtered through kindergarten entrance exams, so maybe it's possible.
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:53
    They don't even make them do the grunt work?
    That's exactly why Chiben Wakayama players can't hack it once they turn pro—or once they're out in the real world.
    10AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:55
    Re: #7
    Yeah, their pro batting averages are pretty rough, come to think of it.
    21AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:58
    Re: #7
    Do pros even do chores?
    112AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:45
    Re: #7
    Does doing chores somehow improve your baseball skills? (lol)
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:56
    Total opposite of PL Gakuen, huh.
    15AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:57
    Re: #12
    PL's rate of turning players into successful pros is insane.
    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:59
    Re: #12
    PL was also a small, elite squad, you know.
    18AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:58
    Every school keeps its roster small these days, but Chiben Wakayama has always done that.
    That said, while they're strong at Koshien, not that many of their players actually go on to succeed as pros.
    28AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:03
    Re: #18
    Nishikawa of the Nippon-Ham Fighters—3-time stolen base champion, batted over .300 twice.
    64AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:35
    Re: #18
    You say "small," but most teams still have around 80 players. Chiben only takes about 10 per grade, so in a good way, they're not even planning around anyone quitting.
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:58
    My son's soccer club is always nagging about money.
    They're not even good, but they're constantly heading off on away trips.
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:24
    Re: #19
    No one wants to come play them, so they have no choice but to travel themselves.

    Maybe they're also raking in kickbacks from the bus company.
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:59
    Cram in a ridiculous number of players and of course some are going to fall behind, and with dorm life that just breeds bullying.
    Just playing a bad video game for a little while is annoying enough—now imagine being locked into a "bad game" for two straight years, every single day. Of course the stress piles up.
    And then in year three, it's not even that the environment finally becomes about playing real baseball—it's the joy of the seniors being gone so now they get to do the bullying.
    93AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:55
    Re: #23
    20 players per grade is really the limit.
    Maybe 25 if you're being generous.
    Any bottom-tier baseball-factory private school carrying more than that shouldn't even bother showing up at Koshien.
    24AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:00
    But

    don't you have to join the religion to go there?
    103AnonymousAug 23, 2026 02:23
    Re: #24
    Almost none of the students are actually followers of Bentenshu (the school's affiliated Buddhist sect), lol.
    Kids go there for the academics, or because it's the kind of school doctors' kids attend.
    26AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:01
    Seeing guys like Okamoto and Murakami make it pro, I kind of get the sense it's a good program.
    31AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:06
    Re: #26
    Both Okamoto and Murakami are from Chiben Nara, not Chiben Wakayama.
    27AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:01
    Let the roster get too big and the players who fall behind are more likely to cause scandals.
    94AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:57
    Re: #27
    They're packed into dorms with a ridiculous number of teammates, right?
    Kind of gross when you think about it.
    30AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:05
    Doesn't Chiben Wakayama have team managers?
    Having the coach do the grunt work instead seems backwards.
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:08
    Re: #30
    You occasionally see companies where the president personally takes the lead on weeding the yard or cleaning the toilets,
    but those companies usually end up going nowhere and failing.
    40AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:12
    They had an overwhelming number of players with great physiques.
    44AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:18
    Re: #40
    You can just tell Chiben Wakayama's players are built differently—thicker frames than any other school.
    That physique is clearly the source of their fearsome power hitting.
    They must place huge emphasis on diet and training to bulk up like that.
    45AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:19
    During Koshien, NHK's mics accidentally picked up Coach Takashima losing his temper in the dugout, and the live-commentary threads went wild over it lol.
    53AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #45
    Pretty sure the one getting yelled at was the catcher, Azuma.
    69AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:46
    What's with people in school clubs pulling rank like crazy just because they're one or two years older?
    Same with comedians and their senpai-kohai (senior-junior) hierarchy—it's brutal too.
    Respect is fine, but this goes way too far; it's just outdated at this point.
    71AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:50
    Re: #69
    They just want to act important.
    If they don't, they're afraid of being disrespected.
    High-pride types who can't stand being looked down on.
    81AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:03
    The one thing I don't get is drilling this hard for what's fundamentally a sport built on short bursts of explosive power.
    83AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:04
    Re: #81
    Coordination? That (coordination drills) is probably necessary though.

    Background and Key Points

    Chiben Wakayama and Chiben Nara are sister schools under the same Bentenshu-affiliated Chiben Gakuen educational corporation, sharing a name but fielding separate baseball programs — a distinction that trips up even Japanese fans, as seen in the thread itself. Chiben Wakayama’s 2025 title (its fourth) puts it alongside Japan’s most storied Koshien programs, but the “40 vs. 100 roster” comparison needs context: Koshien tournament rosters are capped at 20 players regardless of school, so the real gap is in total squad size back at school, meaning far more players get real practice reps and playing time relative to their peers at bigger programs, rather than sitting out for years as bench depth.

    The thread split less on facts than on interpretation of the same testimony: some read Morimoto’s account as evidence of tough, deliberate pre-enrollment screening akin to the old PL Gakuen dynasty, others argued a cohort of only ten per grade simply makes bullying-driven attrition unnecessary since there’s no numerical surplus to cull, and a third group pushed back on the whole premise by noting Chiben Wakayama’s actual track record of producing successful professionals is unremarkable compared to Koshien powerhouses.

    What the thread never addresses is that PL Gakuen, repeatedly invoked as the gold standard for this kind of selective model, no longer fields a baseball team at all — it suspended recruiting in 2014 and formally dissolved the program in 2016 amid falling enrollment, so the comparison is to a defunct system, not a live rival. Readers unfamiliar with Japanese high school baseball may also assume “quitting” carries the same low stakes as in Western school sports; within Japan’s senpai-kohai dorm culture, leaving a team mid-tenure carries far heavier social cost.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Geisports News+) thread “[High School Baseball] Chiben Wakayama Former Captain’s Post on “Why Almost Nobody Quits the Team” Sparks Reaction: “I Relate to This So Much”.”

  • Divorced Dad’s Anguish Over Not Seeing His Kids Sparks ‘Let’s Just Get Married Again’

    A month after his divorce, a post laying bare the pain of not being able to see his kids drew a wave of responses. The thread eventually spiraled into a debate over who’s worse off on the marriage market — a divorced 40-something with kids, or a 42-year-old who’s never been married at all — and the replies kept piling up.

    1AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:03
    Every day just feels empty.
    The pain of not seeing my kid is unreal.
    8AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:07
    If you knew it'd hurt this much not seeing your kid, why'd you get divorced in the first place?
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:08
    Re: #8
    She's the one who filed for divorce mediation, so I had no choice but to give up.
    9AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:07
    Up until then we never even fought, I think we were both happy.
    152AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:24
    Re: #9
    'It's the little things that felt like happiness…' (quoting the lyrics to Sukima Switch's ballad "Kanade")
    15AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:09
    Let's just get married again.
    17AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:10
    Re: #15
    I want to get married again…
    But a 40-year-old divorced guy with a kid? No way that's happening.
    33AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:15
    Re: #17
    42, never married, 175cm, college grad —
    I'm the real washed-up one here.
    36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:16
    Re: #33
    We're basically the same.
    Hang in there.
    134AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:07
    Re: #33
    Saying that and then posting this anyway, lol.
    31AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:14
    I was on the brink of divorce myself recently.
    It started over some dumb argument, but my wife took our kid and went back to her parents' place for a few days.
    We blow up like this once or twice a year, so it's usually a "here we go again" thing, but this time was probably the worst ever.
    My son's three, and he's unbearably cute.
    Even just a few days without seeing him was rough, so I get how you feel.
    I honestly don't care about my wife, but not being able to see my son — that I can't handle.
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:15
    Re: #31
    Exactly this.
    Mine's a daughter, and after the divorce, once I couldn't see her anymore, I lost my reason to keep living.
    37AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:16
    Re: #31
    Is your kid a handful?
    43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:17
    Re: #36
    Uh, I was being self-deprecating…
    48AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:18
    Re: #43
    Doesn't change the fact you're washed up either way.
    52AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:19
    Re: #48
    Come on, no divorce, 175cm, college degree — I'd say I've still got better odds at marriage than you.
    Women won't even look twice at a guy with kids.
    56AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:21
    Re: #52
    Being that age and never married is worse than being divorced.
    And a college degree isn't worth anything these days.
    57AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #52
    I think never having been married at all at your age is worse.
    For what it's worth, I'm 181cm and a college grad too —
    you're the only one who cares about that stuff.
    53AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:20
    Re: #37
    He's a handful, but he's settled down some.
    At two he was going through the terrible-twos phase and it was really rough.

    Re: #39
    That's exactly my wife.
    Her parents' place is a 10-minute drive away, so she goes there every day.
    Grandma ends up doing most of the childcare — she's never really cut the cord from her own parents.
    60AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #53
    All I can say is my condolences.
    Sounds like your wife was raised pretty spoiled, huh?
    61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #53
    Lucky you.
    Mine are girls in 6th and 4th grade, and they won't even hold my hand anymore.
    54AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:20
    Re: #50
    No, I didn't.
    She just took our kid unilaterally and it went straight into divorce mediation.
    58AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #54
    Then why didn't you just refuse to go along with it?
    Why'd you agree?
    66AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:24
    Re: #58
    The mediator talked me into it — stuff like "you're still young, you'll get another chance" and so on.
    They basically half-threatened me with "the divorce is going to be a done deal in two years anyway, you know?"
    69AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:25
    Re: #66
    There is no "next."
    Who's gonna marry a divorced 40-something with kids?
    Maybe some woman in her late 50s, if you're lucky.
    73AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:26
    Re: #66
    So at the time, did you figure it'd be fine even if it meant not seeing your kid anymore?
    76AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #73
    More like I realized there was zero chance of patching things up.
    79AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:28
    Re: #76
    You should've fought for custody.
    If you've given up, just move on already.
    83AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:29
    Re: #79
    Mothers get custody like 100% of the time.
    Even more so once she's already taken the kid away.
    84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:30
    Re: #79
    Custody overwhelmingly favors the wife. Japan always sides with women.

    Background and Key Points

    Not being able to see my kid, I lost my reason to keep living

    The bitterness in this thread traces back to a structural fact about Japanese family law: Japan has no joint custody after divorce — it’s the only G7 country without it, though a 2024 civil code revision (taking effect by 2026) will introduce an optional joint-custody system for the first time. Under the current sole-custody regime, courts and mediators (chōtei) overwhelmingly award custody to the mother, especially once she has already relocated with the child, as poster >>83 notes. Japan also has no enforceable visitation mechanism comparable to Western court-ordered parenting schedules; a father who “agrees” to divorce in mediation is, in practice, agreeing to a sharp cut in contact with his children, which is why the OP describes his life as suddenly empty a month out.

    The thread doesn’t actually split on the custody system itself — everyone agrees it’s stacked against fathers. The real fault line is the tangent that hijacks the back half: whether a divorced man in his 40s with kids is more or less “marriageable” than a same-age man who has simply never married. That argument (>>17 through >>84) runs on pure vibes and self-deprecation, with posters trading claims about height, education, and age as if these were fungible dating-market credits, never citing any actual data on remarriage rates.

    What outside readers will likely miss is that the OP’s “no choice” framing (>>66) reflects a real practice: Japanese divorce mediators commonly steer reluctant spouses toward settling by suggesting that contested cases invariably end in divorce anyway after the mandatory separation period, which is a persuasion tactic, not binding law — a nuance no one in the thread challenges.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “It’s Been a Month Since My Divorce”.

  • Ichiro Sends Message to Finalists Chiben Wakayama and Kendai Takasaki: “One of My Dreams Came True — I’m Deeply Moved”

    Chiben Wakayama and Kendai Takasaki faced off in the Koshien final — and as it turns out, both schools have been visited and coached by Ichiro. He sent a message saying, “Two schools I’ve worked with ended up meeting in the final. One of my dreams has come true, and I’m deeply moved.”

    The thread saw a mix of cool skepticism (“isn’t it just a coincidence he happened to be connected to these two schools?”) and a tally showing that, of the 11 schools Ichiro has coached, Chiben Wakayama is the only one to ever reach Koshien. The discussion spun off into debate over whether he’s “strategically picking powerhouse schools” or whether “it’s just the media reporting on it after the fact.”

    ◇108th National High School Baseball Championship Final — Chiben Wakayama 4–3 Kendai Takasaki (August 22, 2026, Koshien)

    Ichiro (52), who serves as Special Assistant to the Chairman and Instructor for the Mariners, sent a message on the 22nd to both schools

    that fought a hard-fought battle in the 108th National High School Baseball Championship final at Koshien: Chiben Wakayama (Wakayama) and Kendai Takasaki (Gunma).

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:09
    Maybe it's just me, but didn't the level feel kind of low?
    4AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:10
    Go eat some curry and shut up (a classic 5ch put-down telling someone to quiet down).
    33AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:25
    Re: #4
    Gave up curry ages ago, buddy.
    6AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:10
    All that's left now is for him to lead the Dragons to a championship.
    7AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:10
    Re: #1
    Still trying to get attention?
    88AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:36
    Re: #7
    I think he's strategically picking schools because it gets reported as "Ichiro coached them." Asano from Takamatsu Shogyo (now with the Giants) was a first-round draft pick after all.
    92AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:41
    Re: #7
    You're one to talk — you went out of your way to quote post #1.
    8AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:11
    Ichiro himself never made it to the finals back in his own high school days, so he must be thrilled.
    11AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:12
    Wasn't he just goofing around playing baseball with high school girls?
    64AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:03
    Re: #11
    He's been visiting all sorts of schools ever since he got his amateur coaching license. It's only for a day, so it really depends on how much of Ichiro's mindset the kids can soak up in that time.

    Asahikawa Higashi High School (never been to Koshien)
    12AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:12
    Of course your hit rate goes up if you're coaching the powerhouse schools.
    14AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:12
    It's not like he's only ever been connected to two schools.
    16AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:12
    Not as a job, not as some mission — it'd be nice if he could just genuinely enjoy the games.
    18AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:14
    Just a coincidence, right? They were already strong schools to begin with.
    19AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:14
    Uncle Ichiro never misses a chance to plug himself lol ("Ichi-oji" — a半-affectionate, half-mocking nickname for Ichiro)
    22AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:15
    He probably has more attachment to Chiben Wakayama lol
    23AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:16
    "Coaching" but it's only a few days — he doesn't bear any real responsibility.
    25AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:16
    > It hasn't been made public, but I've also had a connection with Kendai Takasaki High School.

    Come to think of it, I had a connection too — just never made it public either. (joking)
    27AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:17
    If he's going to keep saying stuff like this, he should just become a full-time head coach already.
    30AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:20
    Huh? Why didn't he make the connection with Takasaki public until now? What, he only announces it once they reach the finals?
    91AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:39
    Re: #30
    Most of what's "public" isn't coming from Ichiro himself to begin with — it's the media reporting it. It's not like the press tags along to every single school he coaches.
    31AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:21
    I want him to go back to Meiden one more time and get them the championship. It'd be nice if he took on a bit more responsibility for once.
    35AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:29
    Ichiro, on players glued to their tablets: "As a fan, it's disappointing" — warns against over-reliance on data
    s://hochi.news/articles/20250124-OHT1T51009.html?page=1
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:31
    He says visible numbers aren't everything, basically dismissing sabermetrics wholesale — even though he was the one obsessed with nothing but the visible hit count.
    38AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:32
    Don't make them train. Tigers and lions don't train, you know — and not just skipping weights either. (referencing Ichiro's famous "lions and tigers don't train" quote)
    43AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:35
    Just become a manager already and help energize the sport. Oh, Nagashima, Nomura, and Ochiai all properly took managing jobs and helped hype up the baseball world.
    63AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:01
    Re: #43
    Isn't it because becoming a manager would mean he can't coach high schoolers anymore?
    45AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:38
    And yet he even went to his alma mater, Aikodai Meiden 😿
    101AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:20
    Re: #45
    He's brutally strict when it comes to his own alma mater.
    47AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:42
    Of the 11 schools Ichiro has coached, only Chiben Wakayama has ever made it to Koshien

    Chiben Wakayama ⭕
    Kokugakuin Kugayama ❌
    Chiba Meitoku ❌
    Takamatsu Shogyo ❌
    Tokyo Metropolitan Shinjuku ❌
    Fuji ❌
    Asahikawa Higashi ❌
    Miyako ❌
    Okanmuri ❌
    Gifu ❌
    Aikodai Meiden ❌
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:44
    Re: #47
    Can't even read post #1, can you.
    53AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:49
    What's that baseball event where Ichiro's clowning around with high school girls?
    56AnonymousAug 22, 2026 19:53
    Re: #53
    Girls' high school baseball basically doesn't draw any crowds, so there's no revenue to speak of. They probably bring in an audience by having the girls play against Ichiro, then use that income to cover operating costs. The girls' baseball federation isn't even part of the national high school sports federation either.
    86AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:31
    He hates his alma mater. (sarcastic jab, contradicting the earlier post)
    100AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:19
    Re: #86
    He went there recently and gave them advice out of love, though.
    87AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:35
    Re: #1
    Shota Imanaga reunites with Ichiro for the first time in two years, receives 15 minutes of "golden wisdom": "Every bit of it was the best advice." Carrying his gratitude to his senior, he takes the mound on the 24th.
    https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/5f883e91e68504ef8f1d12ab2a05150a4f815915
    98AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:03
    Re: #87
    This is actually a pretty great system. You get to chat with Ichiro whenever you happen to catch a Mariners game — he's basically always at the Mariners' stadium anyway.
    90AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:38
    He just went and pushed his way into schools that looked strong, didn't he?
    93AnonymousAug 22, 2026 20:43
    Re: #90
    He said he picks based on reading through the letters he receives. He's coached weak schools too, you know.

    Background and Key Points

    Koshien, formally the National High School Baseball Championship, is Japan’s marquee amateur sports event, held every August at Hanshin Koshien Stadium. Getting there is brutal: roughly 3,500-4,000 schools enter regional qualifiers, and only 49 teams (one per prefecture, two each for Hokkaido and Tokyo) make the final bracket. Ichiro Suzuki, now 52 and a special assistant/instructor for the Seattle Mariners, obtained an amateur baseball coaching license after retiring and has since made one-off visits to various high schools, Chiben Wakayama (Wakayama) among them, alongside his own alma mater Aikodai Meiden. That both 2026 finalists, Chiben Wakayama and Kendai Takasaki (Gunma), turned out to have hosted him fed his message calling it “one of my dreams.”

    The thread’s actual disagreement was not about the game itself but about causation: some posters treated the double connection as evidence Ichiro gravitates toward already-strong programs so the “Ichiro coached them” narrative writes itself after the fact, while others pointed to the tally of his eleven visited schools, only Chiben Wakayama had ever reached Koshien before, as proof there’s no pattern at all, just one hit among many misses.

    What the thread never quite reconciles for an outside reader is the nature of these “visits”: they are single-day clinics tied to a post-career license, not ongoing coaching relationships, and one poster noted Ichiro says he selects schools from letters he receives rather than scouting rosters. Given how vanishingly small the odds are of any one school reaching Koshien at all, a school he visited getting there isn’t strong evidence of favoritism, but it isn’t strong evidence of pure coincidence either.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Entertainment & Sports Express+) thread “[High School Baseball] Ichiro Sends Message to Chiben Wakayama and Kendai Takasaki: “Two Schools I’ve Worked With Meet in the Final… One of My Dreams Has Come True”.”

  • Was the ‘Evil’ in Yamatai and ‘Lowly’ in Himiko Actually an Insult? 5ch: ‘Ancient China’s Nastiness in Deliberately Choosing Debasing Characters’

    There’s a theory that China chose the derogatory characters “邪” (evil) and “卑” (lowly) in “Yamatai” and “Himiko” to look down on Japan — but a new theory has been introduced arguing these characters were simply picked to transcribe the sounds phonetically.

    On 5ch, however, pushback came fast: “If it were just about matching the sound, simple characters even a child could write would have been enough,” and “The fact that they went out of their way to pick a character meaning ‘lowly’ says it all about ancient China’s nastiness.” The discussion expanded into Sinocentrism and the derogatory names given to peripheral peoples like the Emishi and the Nanban (“southern barbarians”).

    Have you ever wondered, on hearing “Yamatai” or “Himiko,” why characters with such negative meanings as “邪” (evil) and “卑” (lowly) were used? Among history buffs, it’s often said that China looked down on Japan and deliberately chose these characters. But when you examine the characters used for phonetic transcription using the ancient Chinese pronunciation dictionary Guangyun as a clue, a surprising fact emerges: “邪” and “卑” were likely chosen not to insult Japan, but simply to represent sounds. So what exactly does this mean? *This article is an excerpt, edited from the section written by Ikuya Tanaka in “Big Questions About Kanji: The World of Words You Use Every Day but Don’t Really Know,” edited by the Japan Kanji Aptitude Testing Foundation (Magazine House).

    (omitted)

    Names like “Yamatai” and “Himiko,” which rendered Japanese proper nouns of the time in Chinese characters, deliberately used characters with negative meanings such as “邪” (evil) and “卑” (lowly). This is because of Sinocentrism (the worldview that China is the center of the world and barbarians live on its periphery) — which is why characters with such negative meanings were used.

    Source: diamond.jp / Original article here

    3AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:57
    Everyone already knows the phonetic-transcription thing is a given, no need to act like it's some big discovery now.
    Out of all the characters that could've matched the sound, they deliberately picked the ones with bad meanings, right?
    18AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:07
    Re: #3
    Exactly, the nastiness of ancient China deliberately using a character meaning "lowly" —
    that's the whole story.
    38AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:14
    Re: #3
    Right.
    Same with "Mongol" (蒙古) —
    "蒙" carries the meaning of "blind/benighted" (an old, now-discriminatory term), implying something backward and archaic.
    70AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:28
    Re: #3
    Exactly right — if it were purely about matching sounds, they'd have used simple, low-stroke-count characters, the kind used as furigana reading aids when kids are first learning kanji.
    11AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:04
    Well, if your main export was slaves, of course you'd get looked down on.
    160AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:12
    Re: #11
    The word for slave (奴婢, nuhi) already existed back then, so the "seikou" (生口, the people sent as tribute) seem to have been more like laborers or servants. That said, it was human trafficking, no argument there.
    14AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:05
    https://www.kosho.or.jp/upload/save_image/12011690/20240126144439617789_9d902c1be5efa843e3d4087e130855c6.jpg
    22AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:08
    Interesting search result. Searched "Emishi" (蝦夷).
    —
    Japan's adaptation of Sinocentrism ("Little Sinocentrism")
    Ancient Japan (the Yamato court) applied China's worldview — "the emperor is the center of the world and rules over the uncivilized peripheral peoples" — to the Japanese archipelago. This is called "Little Sinocentrism" or "Japanese-style Sinocentrism."
    The derogatory term "Emishi" (毛人, "hairy people"): copying how China labeled surrounding peoples with characters like "東夷" (eastern barbarians) and "北狄" (northern barbarians), the Yamato court called the people of the Tohoku region who wouldn't submit to it "毛人" or "蝦夷" (Emishi), casting them as culturally backward.
    The idea of "civilizing imperial rule" (王化, oka): it was held to be righteous for the emperor's virtue (superior culture and etiquette) to civilize and subjugate these peripheral "uncivilized people."
    34AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:12
    Re: #22
    That's right.
    Kyoto's "rakuchu/rakugai" (inside/outside the capital) distinction is Sinocentrism too.
    Calling the Jomon people "i" (夷, barbarian) was Sinocentrism.
    Calling Westerners "Nanban" (southern barbarians) was Sinocentrism too.
    66AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #34
    To begin with, Kyoto's cityscape was modeled on China's Luoyang, and the "洛" (raku) you hear in terms like rakuchu and rakunan comes straight from Luoyang's "洛."
    Kyoto people have a pretty strong streak of Sinocentrism themselves.
    73AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:29
    Re: #34
    Knowing Re: #1, they'd probably spin "ban" (蛮, barbarian) as positive too — "just a coincidence," they'd say.
    46AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:16
    If they're saying that seriously, they really don't know much, lol
    49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:18
    Mesopotamian civilization was already obsessing over celestial bodies and the sun and building pyramids back in 4000 BC. (´・ω・`)
    Meanwhile Japan was off chasing mammoths and eating them.
    51AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:20
    Re: #49
    Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing when you think about it —
    everything civilized came over from China and Korea, after all.
    60AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:22
    Re: #49
    If you're going to say that, you could call basically any country dumb by that logic.
    50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:19
    The Chinese looked down on the white people who arrived by ship from Europe too, calling them "Nanban" (southern barbarians).
    57AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:21
    Re: #50
    Paper money, the compass, paper itself, printing, gunpowder — they all actually originated on the Chinese mainland.
    Most of it came from the Han Chinese.
    54AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:21
    They believed the superstition that Beijing was the center of the world and civilization declined the further you got from it, so of course they'd think that way.
    But yeah, in Himiko's era, mainland China probably was more advanced.

    Still, by the 6th century, in the reign of Empress Suiko (a female emperor), Japan declared that the Chinese emperor and the Japanese emperor were equals.
    A few hundred years after that, Japan decided there was no point going to China anymore and abolished the kentoshi (envoy missions to Tang China).
    So maybe Japan's been on top ever since.
    68AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #54
    Writing (kanji) had only just been introduced to Wa (Japan), so they sent off a "state letter" pretty casually…
    and ended up angering Emperor Yang of Sui. After that they were too scared to send envoys for a while.

    So they just pretended the reply letter had been lost.
    75AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:29
    Re: #68
    Guess they've always been thin-skinned.
    56AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:21
    "King of Na, [Vassal] of Wa, [Under] Han" (漢委奴国王)



    There's a theory that "委" — the character "倭" with the "person" radical dropped — was used to mark the Wa as something less than human.
    65AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:26
    By the way, what did the envoys from Japan actually give the Chinese emperor as gifts?
    He could get his hands on pretty much anything in the world already.
    Was there anything from Japan at the time actually good enough to present to a superior?
    76AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:30
    Re: #65
    Maybe the point wasn't the gift itself, however trivial, but the act of offering tribute at all —
    a show of submission.
    81AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:30
    Re: #65
    4 male "seikou" (生口, tribute laborers)
    6 female "seikou"
    2 bolts, 2 jo of speckled cloth

    People, basically — the main tribute was essentially something close to slaves.
    98AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:35
    Re: #65
    Probably nothing much worth mentioning.
    It probably wasn't until the cupellation method (haifuki-hō) arrived from Korea and Japan started exporting silver to China that things changed. By the 17th century, Japanese-produced silver apparently accounted for a quarter to a third of world output.
    148AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:05
    "Northern Di, Southern Man, Western Rong, Eastern Yi" (北狄南蛮西戎東夷) —
    they didn't even regard the surrounding peoples as human.
    But "倭" (Wa) does have the "person" radical attached to it.

    There's a theory that "委" meant something like "shorty."
    Even "Wei" (魏, the Chinese kingdom's name) is "oni" (鬼, demon) plus "委" — that looks like a far worse character than "Wa."
    149AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:07
    Re: #148
    "Oni" (鬼) isn't necessarily a bad meaning —
    it's just something to be feared/revered.
    Treating another people as human at all was a big deal in itself.
    152AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:07
    Re: #148
    And on top of that, giving them the very same character "委" —
    that's practically gold-seal-level treatment, honestly.
    185AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:24
    Re: #148
    I asked an AI, and apparently "Wei" (魏) isn't a bad meaning —
    since its radical is "oni" (鬼, ghost/demon), that side of the meaning is supposedly the stronger one.
    154AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:07
    Re: #149
    Using "oni" in a positive sense is a uniquely Japanese thing.

    In China it only ever has a negative meaning.
    That's why they say things like "Riben guizi" (日本鬼子, "Japanese devil").
    161AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:12
    Re: #154
    Originally it expressed dignity and grandeur.

    Otherwise, why would they use it as the name of a kingdom?
    170AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:18
    Re: #154
    In Japan the image is a musclebound guy with an iron club wearing a tiger-skin loincloth, but apparently in China the image is more like a ghost or specter.
    With "鬼子" (guizi) it apparently carries the nuance of being some kind of monster, not the same as a human.
    Probably closer to the nuance of a goblin or an orc.
    155AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:08
    The character "倭," used to represent Japan,
    carries meanings like "short" and "submissive" —
    so, well, you can figure it out.
    157AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:10
    No, that's not really it…

    Xianbei, Xiongnu, Yamatai and Himiko —
    given names like that, there must have actually been something distinctive about them, even from their point of view, back then,
    in actual Japan.

    Surely it's about time we reached a proper scientific conclusion on this.
    159AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:12
    Re: #155
    Chinese people have always been big, historically — Lü Bu, Guan Yu, Xiang Yu, Wang Qi…
    Maybe it's because, being connected by land, western blood got mixed in too.
    163AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:13
    Re: #155
    Re: #157
    That's why I'm saying, think about why "倭" has the "person" radical in it.
    And on top of that, they were given the very same "委" character as in "Wei."
    166AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:17
    Re: #155
    "Submissive" meant something different back then — it carried the sense of being "gentle and courteous."

    Background and Key Points

    The names “Yamatai” (邪馬台国) and “Himiko” (卑弥呼) come from the “Wajinden” section of the Chinese chronicle Sanguozhi (Records of the Three Kingdoms, compiled ~3rd century CE), the earliest written account of the Wa people who inhabited the Japanese archipelago before Japan had its own writing system. Because the Wa left no records of their own, every proper noun survives only in the form Chinese scribes chose to write it. That mattered because China’s worldview was explicitly Sinocentric: peripheral peoples were routinely labeled with dehumanizing terms like 東夷 (eastern barbarians), 北狄, 南蛮, and 西戎, and Japan itself was later called “Wa” (倭), a character carrying connotations of shortness or submissiveness.

    The thread’s actual fault line isn’t over whether Sinocentrism existed — everyone agrees it did — but over intent in this specific case: did scribes deliberately reach for insulting characters (邪=”evil,” 卑=”lowly”) to belittle Yamatai and Himiko, or did they simply grab whatever characters matched the sound, per the article’s phonetic-reconstruction argument using the Guangyun rhyme dictionary? Posters largely rejected the “just phonetics” reading, noting that plenty of neutral, simple-stroke characters shared those same sounds, so the choice still reads as pointed.

    What the thread never addresses is a dating problem: Guangyun is a Song-dynasty compilation from roughly 1,000 years after the Wei-era transcriptions were made, so using it to reconstruct 3rd-century pronunciation is itself an approximation, not hard proof of phonetic intent either way — the debate may be unresolvable with the evidence actually cited.

    *This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “[History] Did China Look Down on Yamatai and Himiko? The Surprising Reason Behind the Choice of “邪” and “卑”.”

  • Police Academy Bans Shouting at Cadets, Leaving Instructors Struggling to Adapt — 5ch: ‘Can They Actually Handle the Streets?’

    It’s been reported that Hyogo Prefectural Police Academy has shifted away from its old style of screaming instruction, moving instead toward a more “supportive” approach that includes exchange diaries between cadets and instructors — sparking discussion on 5ch’s Newsflash+ board.

    The thread saw a clash between worried voices asking “can cadets coddled like this really hold their own against violent criminals and yakuza?” and defenders arguing “strict training and power harassment are two different things” and “harassment isn’t education” — with the discussion spiraling out into debates about Gen Z and comparisons with policing overseas.

    Until just a few years ago, instructors’ angry shouts echoed through the halls of Japan’s police academies. But this is now the “compliance era.” At Hyogo Prefectural Police Academy, which shifted to a more “supportive” style of instruction last year, instructors have been struggling with how to convey the harsh realities of the job without crossing the line into harassment. On graduation day, what were the instructors’ final words to their students?

    ■ “You’re the only one who can’t do it!” — Has the once shout-filled police academy really changed that much!?

    On July 31, Hyogo Prefectural Police Academy held its graduation ceremony. The graduates will now head into the field, carrying the heavy responsibility of protecting the peace of their communities.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    5AnonymousAug 22, 2026 21:58
    Come on, come on, come on.
    Can these softies actually handle criminals?
    Yakuza are scary, you know?
    Shouldn't they be used to getting yelled at?
    116AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:53
    Re: #5
    The yakuza switched to a no-shouting policy way before the cops did, just to secure recruits.
    173AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:50
    Re: #5
    When they're actually throwing their weight around, I bet they'll do it with a totally cool, straight face.
    9AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:00
    If they're coddled this much, won't they turn into spineless cops?
    Can they really go toe-to-toe with violent criminals out in the field?
    36AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:13
    Re: #9
    Congratulations, you've just built a wrongful-conviction machine.
    16AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:03
    Apparently parents have been filing complaints, that's why.
    196AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:29
    Re: #16
    In cases that actually went to court, they really did call in the parents and grill them hard, telling them to make their kid quit.
    Apparently it's standard practice for police to bring parents in voluntarily and interrogate them as if the father “manufactured a defective product” and the mother “gave birth to industrial waste.”
    So the parents fight tooth and nail for their own honor too, which is apparently why so many of these cases fail to settle and end up going all the way to the Supreme Court.
    17AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:04
    Re: #1

    The term “power harassment” (パワハラ/pawahara) itself is a made-in-Japan English word (wasei-eigo).
    It's a coinage made up by a private HR consulting firm — only used in Japan.

    America doesn't have anything like that.
    169AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:40
    Re: #17
    “Sexual harassment,” though, actually came from America.
    Then again, over there you can get fired way more easily.
    37AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:13
    Are you an idiot?

    On the job, cops deal with people who couldn't care less about “compliance.”
    41AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:14
    Re: #37
    No.
    The police are an organization that destroys the lives of people who did nothing wrong.
    47AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:17
    If they're trained like this, won't they burst into tears the moment a suspect gets in their face?
    49AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:18
    Re: #47
    “I was harassed by a violent criminal, so I'm reporting it to the Labor Standards Office.”
    48AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:18
    Seriously, can they face down violent criminals like this?
    Is the classic tough-guy interrogation shout “This is Osaka, ya hear!” (a stereotypical hard-nosed Osaka-cop catchphrase) going to become a dying tradition?
    50AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:18
    Re: #48
    Guess it'll turn into a softer “This is Osaka, okay?” instead.
    57AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:24
    Surely police, firefighters, and the Self-Defense Forces need to keep some level of strictness to weed out unsuitable recruits during training, or they'll end up hiring some seriously bad apples…
    75AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:31
    Re: #57
    They've already been hiring bad apples like crazy, it's bad!
    59AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:25
    There are way more skinny, out-of-shape young cops than before.
    I walked into a certain police headquarters and there was some thug
    sprawled out on the lobby bench with his shoes still on, like he owned the place,
    and nobody even said anything to him.
    They're being completely disrespected.
    You can really feel the staffing shortage.
    89AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:38
    Re: #59
    But aren't today's thugs less rough around the edges than they used to be too?
    82AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:33
    Strict training and power harassment are two different things.
    Power harassment is nothing but personal emotion.
    It's totally possible to run strict training that isn't just someone venting their feelings by tormenting people — the fact that police can't manage that is just plain stupid.
    85AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:35
    Re: #82
    Whether something counts as harassment
    is decided by the “victim,” you know.
    98AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:42
    Re: #82
    American guy: “Power harassment? What's that? We don't have anything like that in America.”
    95AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:39
    Well, to put it bluntly, I think it's fine if someone wants to use power harassment —
    as long as they're prepared for the fact that if everyone they harass quits and nobody sticks around, and the organization can't function because of the staffing shortage,
    that's on the harassers and the brass themselves, self-inflicted.

    That said, unlike a normal company, police have the special condition of having to deal with violent criminals who are ready to fight — that makes it tricky.
    And as a kind of dry run for that, if someone's spirit breaks just from an instructor being tough on them, they honestly aren't cut out to be a cop.
    106AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:46
    Re: #95
    Foreigner: “What is this ‘power harassment'? Another Japanese-made word? Japan really is its own little Galápagos, huh.”
    107AnonymousAug 22, 2026 22:46
    “I'm going to need you to leave the academy.” “Understood.” “Wait, h-hold on!” (echoing the famous whiny catchphrase from the drama Hana Yori Dango)
    124AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:02
    Re: #107
    What actually gets evaluated is just the headcount at enrollment, so it doesn't matter if people quit afterward.

    There are plenty of people who want to become cops anyway.
    134AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:25
    The police aren't so different from the military, are they?
    Can they really stand up against outlaws?
    135AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:27
    Re: #134
    Going forward, police are probably going to get more incompetent — like firing their guns the second they get scared, or needing ten officers to surround one raving addict and still not being able to subdue him…
    140AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:39
    Is this place full of nothing but Showa-era relics who don't even understand that “harassment” means “harassment”?
    Go ahead and give them strict training and education.
    But harassment isn't training or education.
    144AnonymousAug 22, 2026 23:51
    South Korea's mandatory military training is like this now too —
    I was shocked at how soft it's gotten.
    160AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:27
    Re: #144
    If the North Korean army came marching south, they'd probably just get scared and run.
    170AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:40
    Re: #1
    Hey now, if they don't nurture them carefully the police force will shrink and we'll end up living in Gotham City lol

    https://newsdig.ismcdn.jp/mwimgs/1/8/750w/img_1824bf0d8873f45b8983b2f909e41949244995.jpg
    178AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:53
    >“Speak up loud and give it your all! Fight!”

    >More like finding the right way to flip their switch

    >Some students even cry the first time they handle a handgun

    >Instructor: “I won't lose to these young guys yet” — worked hard so as not to be outdone

    Sounds like it's the instructors who have it rough now lol
    Pretty soon nobody's going to want that job either
    187AnonymousAug 23, 2026 00:57
    Re: #178
    Line three — back in the day, a student like that would've been expelled.
    Well, cop academy (“poli-ko,” slangy shorthand for the police) isn't about raising an elite, so I guess anybody'll do.
    200AnonymousAug 23, 2026 01:34

    Check out the intensity of Osaka Prefectural Police raiding a yakuza office!

    Background and Key Points

    Japan’s prefectural police forces each run their own residential training academy, and recruits typically spend six months to a year living under an instructor’s direct supervision before their first assignment — a structure inherited from a pre-war and postwar culture that treated harsh discipline as inseparable from readiness for the job. What’s changed is not the academy system itself but the legal and cultural climate around it: Japan’s Power Harassment Prevention Act, phased in for large employers in 2020 and extended to smaller organizations in 2022, obliges institutions — including police, which had long been treated as a special case — to formally document and prevent abusive supervision. Hyogo’s shift to “exchange diaries” and softer instruction is one prefecture’s local response to that broader legal pressure, not an isolated policy experiment.

    The thread’s real fault line wasn’t over whether harassment is bad — nearly everyone agreed on that — but over whether shouting-based training was ever actually about harassment, or whether it was functioning as a proxy stress test for a job that involves confronting armed and violent people. Posters defending the reform insisted strict training and personal venting are distinguishable in principle; skeptics doubted any institution under compliance pressure could tell the two apart in practice.

    What the thread misses is the demographic pressure behind this: Japan’s shrinking pool of working-age applicants means academies can no longer afford high dropout rates, making retention as much a driver of reform as any harassment complaint. It’s also worth noting, against one poster’s claim, that “sexual harassment” did originate in the US — only “power harassment” is a Japan-specific coinage.

    *This article is composed as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Newsflash+) thread “[Reiwa Era] Instructors Struggle at ‘No Power Harassment’ Police Academy — A Shift Away from the Old ‘Shouting,’ Plus Exchange Diaries — ‘Speak Up Loud and Give It Your All! Fight!’”.