Category: Tech

  • Will a Degree Be Worthless in the AI Era? 5channers Split Down the Middle

    A thread that kicked off with the post “Isn’t the value of a college degree about to crash in the AI era?” took off on 5ch’s Nanji board (Livejupiter, a general chat/sports board). As AI increasingly handles document creation, meeting minutes, and even medical diagnosis, opinions clashed head-on: some argued that academic credentials no longer mean anything, while others countered that the harder it becomes to see differences in ability, the more employers will lean on a degree as a “trust signal.” The thread also cited a Forbes JAPAN article describing a real case of a young graduate from a top university who sent out over 1,000 résumés amid the AI-era job crunch and still couldn’t land an offer.

    1AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:22
    In the AI era, white-collar jobs are going away — so what's a degree even worth anymore?
    2AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:23
    It's already worthless.
    Going forward, maybe only elementary school will matter.
    Middle school and high school will disappear too.
    12AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:28
    Re: #2
    Already worthless?
    We're doomed 😫
    5AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:26
    More than that — in 10 years, salarymen and offices will be gone too. The norm will be pulling together the right people for each project and letting AI handle the rest.
    19AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:30
    Re: #5
    Yeah, probably.
    What happens to all the skyscraper districts, though?
    Will they turn into ghost towns, like those shuttered shopping streets?
    6AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:26
    Nah, there's no way degrees stop mattering for real.
    Look at reality.
    15AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:29
    Re: #6
    If you actually look at reality, there's just no way degrees keep their value…
    16AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:29
    Exactly, from now on it's the blue-collar era.
    Construction workers are the winners.
    23AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:32
    Re: #16
    Honestly, that seems pretty likely.
    Once physical AI (robots) arrive, that job gets wiped out too, but construction work will probably be the last to go.
    17AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:29
    Once degrees stop mattering, what will people use to rank each other?
    Will we go back to a fixed caste system like feudal society?
    28AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:33
    Re: #17
    It'd be great if ranking disappeared altogether.
    But humans are approval-seeking monsters, so we'll probably just find something else to fight over — "I'm better than you" arguments, just about a different thing.
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    Re: #17
    No way it disappears.
    Being smart is literally human worth.
    20AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:30
    No matter how good the tool gets, differences in the skill of the person using it won't disappear.
    26AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:32
    Re: #20
    Tools might get so good that human skill differences stop mattering at all.
    25AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:32
    Academic ability will lose its value, but the degree itself won't.
    Japanese people especially are authority-worshippers, so reverence for top-university grads will keep going.
    31AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    Re: #25
    I think degrees were worshipped because they got you into good companies, let you produce good output, and got you a good salary.
    All of that is about to go away, so I think degree value is going to crash.
    32AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    Re: #25
    Opposite, actually.
    People who are only good on paper — high credentials, no ability — get replaced by AI in a heartbeat.
    30AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:34
    Re: #15
    Some low-credential guy: "Please let degrees stop mattering!!!"

    As if lmaooooo
    33AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    From a company's perspective, degrees are just a convenient system for screening new hires.
    46AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #33
    Companies won't even need new hires anymore.
    In fact, in America, Harvard and Stanford grads are already in despair over the AI-driven job crunch.
    48AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:37
    Re: #46
    No way that's true.
    That's just wishful thinking lol
    65AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:41
    Re: #46
    Guess I was just ignorant 😭
    34AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    Can AI alone actually become a doctor?
    38AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #34
    Actually, it can…
    43AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #34
    AI's already handling diagnosis as it is.
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:35
    Re: #30
    Some old-timer who's totally out of touch with the times?
    45AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #36
    And what about degrees?
    You need a solid education to actually use AI well, y'know lol
    50AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:38
    Re: #45
    I'm a liberal-arts grad from a MARCH-tier university (a group of mid-tier private universities in Japan: Meiji, Aoyama Gakuin, Rikkyo, Chuo, Hosei).
    Sounds like grandpa's never even used AI.
    55AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:40
    Re: #45
    No way that's true.

    Employees with low education who'd never even touched PowerPoint before are now, as of a few months ago, churning out slide decks with the look and content quality of something outsourced to a vendor.

    And new hires who don't understand a single word of the meeting still produce perfect minutes lol
    40AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Personally, I think companies themselves will disappear too.
    I think everyone will basically become their own CEO.
    71AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:43
    Re: #40
    People who belong to organizations = the ones AI replaces.
    76AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:45
    Re: #40
    I think so too.
    Even if it's not literally one person, I think we'll keep seeing tiny teams building companies worth trillions of yen in market cap.
    41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #32
    There's no such thing as low-education-but-highly-capable.
    52AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:39
    Re: #41
    Even though plenty of high-credential people are useless??
    44AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:36
    Re: #31
    It's not that degrees lose their value — it's that the reason they have value changes.
    The more AI narrows the gap in output quality, the harder it gets for employers to judge ability up front, so a trust signal like a degree is actually more likely to stick around.
    61AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:41
    Re: #44
    This, exactly.
    If everyone's submitting a polished AI-written personal statement, of course employers will just default to picking whoever has the better degree.
    49AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:38
    It's the opposite.
    It's precisely because AI narrows individual differences in value and cuts down on education costs that it turns into a full-on "degree game."
    A degree ends up being basically the only thing left to differentiate yourself with — and sure enough, similarly-positioned certifications have been gaining value for the same reason.
    64AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:41
    Re: #49
    Agreed.
    Once AI can help you prep your entry-sheet answers and interview responses too, the people left standing will be the ones with strong looks and degrees — the two things AI can't fake its way around.
    69AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:43
    Re: #49
    https://forbesjapan.com/articles/detail/97544?utm_source=chatgpt.com

    Last week I met a young man (let's call him David) who'd just graduated from a top university. He studied hard, earned his degree, and submitted more than 1,000 résumés. He got 14 replies, 4 first-round interviews, and made it to a second interview twice… and he's still unemployed.
    51AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:39
    Re: #32
    If anything, the people who benefit most from AI are the ones who are only credentialed, not actually capable.
    AI just shrinks the gap between capable and incapable people who both have high degrees — the social divide between high- and low-education people doesn't change.
    A degree is basically a caste system at this point.
    58AnonymousSep 21, 2026 12:40
    Re: #51
    Assuming that a useless-but-credentialed person can even use AI well — that's just wishful thinking on your part lol
    Good one.

    Background and Key Points of the Debate

    This debate over academic credentials echoes the structure of what economists call “signaling theory” (the idea that a degree functions as a proxy indicator guaranteeing a person’s ability). The counterargument that, as AI narrows the gap in individual output, employers find it harder to judge ability from interviews or essays alone and so lean more heavily on an easy-to-read indicator like a degree, lines up with this theory. On the other hand, the Forbes JAPAN article cited in the thread was actually about how AI-driven efficiency in document screening reduces the number of touchpoints with applicants in the first place, so even highly educated candidates can’t get to the interview stage — a point that’s easy to misread as “degrees becoming meaningless” when it’s really about “the entry point to the hiring process narrowing.” Some replies in the thread also drew a distinction between formal education and raw academic ability (“jiatama,” or native smarts), and opinions were split on which one actually loses its value.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nanji board) thread “Isn’t the value of a degree about to crash in the AI era? 🤔.”

  • 13 Years on iPhone, He Switched — 5ch: “Even iPhones Got Cheap-Looking”

    A poster who says they used an iPhone for 13 years straight reported switching to the Galaxy S26 Ultra, sparking a wave of reactions on the “Anything Goes” live board (5ch).

    In the thread, some argued that “Android just looks cheap,” while others said their opinion of iPhone had shifted too, now that the body went aluminum starting with the 17 Pro and started feeling “cheap.” Beyond that, opinions split over finer differences between the two OSes — things like how usable Android’s “back button” is, the poor resale value of high-end Android phones, and differing impressions of “sluggishness” in performance.

    1AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:21
    iPhone 5s → iPhone 7 → iPhone X → iPhone 12 → Galaxy S26 Ultra
    Damn, it's crazy smooth lol
    The right-swipe-to-go-back thing was annoying until I got used to it though
    5AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:23
    I get it. But Android looks lame, so I wish you could just install Android OS on an iPhone.
    8AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:25
    Re: #5
    That idea went out the window once the iPhone 17 Pro switched to cheap-looking aluminum.
    Honestly I like the Pixel Pro better now.
    9AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:26
    Re: #7
    If you just swapped the OS, you wouldn't get the oversized icons and stuff…
    31AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:42
    Re: #9
    The OS covers the icons too, and the design's lame.
    10AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:27
    I know there's no demand for it, but I want the iPhone mini to come back. Heck, I'd even take a successor to the Rakuten Mini.
    20AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:33
    Re: #10
    Probably impossible because of the battery.
    13AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:27
    If someone could just fix how badly high-end Android ("droid," 5ch slang for Android) phones tank in resale value, I honestly don't think there'd be any real downside left.
    18AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:31
    Re: #13
    Do you even care about resale? I keep using my old phone as a backup after upgrading, so I've never worried about it.
    34AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:43
    Re: #13
    So that means a used 25 Ultra is a good deal, huh.
    16AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:29
    Didn't know iPhone users had that kind of adaptability in them 😳
    19AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:32
    Re: #16
    Once I realized how much you could do with it and started wanting to tinker, it got fun — glad I switched.
    41AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:47
    Seeing 100,000 yen treated like a huge amount of money really makes you feel the times have changed.
    44AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:52
    Re: #41
    X
    Phone
    LINE
    Camera
    ChMate (a 5ch browser app)
    YouTube
    Instagram
    Google Search
    Google Maps
    Do you really need to drop 100,000 yen just to kill time?
    47AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:55
    I'm on the fence about getting the S26 Ultra myself.
    48AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:56
    Re: #47
    You don't really need the privacy display, so I think the S25 Ultra would do just fine.
    49AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:58
    I used to be really particular about using Android, but I don't have the energy anymore to fiddle with all those little settings. For long-term use, something like iPhone is just the right amount of hassle.
    51AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:59
    Re: #49
    Once you get used to Android, not having a back button while typing text is unbearable. Makes me wonder how I ever used an iPhone.
    50AnonymousSep 21, 2026 07:58
    It's heavy and huge. I keep it around just in case, but iPhone 📱 is what I actually use day to day. The comfort level's just different.
    54AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:00
    Re: #50
    Comfort????
    55AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:02
    NFC works way better on iPhone. Android throws errors constantly, it's garbage.
    59AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:05
    Re: #55
    Apparently that's an Android (Google) issue. I've never had it error out on me though.
    75AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:18
    It's ridiculous that something as pointless as a back button even exists.
    78AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:19
    Re: #75
    Why does it even have a 'back' button in the first place?
    80AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:20
    Re: #75
    Seriously. On iOS you just intuitively swipe left to right — why does Android even need that thing?
    82AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:21
    Re: #75
    Pretty sure you can hide it in the settings.
    79AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:19
    I bet OP just got too broke to afford an iPhone anymore.
    87AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:26
    Re: #79
    Uh, it's actually more expensive than an iPhone though.
    88AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:27
    Re: #79
    A poor person couldn't afford an S26 Ultra anyway.
    89AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:28
    With Android there's this split-second lag when you tap. You think the tap failed, and then it suddenly snaps into action like it's trying to catch up. That lag drives me nuts. It's as annoying as the car in front of you that doesn't move the instant the light turns green, then floors it once it finally gets going.
    92AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:30
    Re: #89
    That's just a junk phone with too little RAM.
    100AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:34
    Re: #89
    That's a budget Android in a price range iPhone doesn't even sell in 🥺

    An Android at a comparable price doesn't have that problem 😁
    103AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:35
    Re: #89
    Sounds like you're comparing it to some 4GB-RAM junk phone.
    96AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:33
    Android's bad with girls, so I'm not switching.
    101AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:34
    Re: #96
    Honestly, worrying about how your phone plays with girls is the least attractive thing you could do.
    108AnonymousSep 21, 2026 08:37
    Re: #96
    If you're scared of getting asked 'why not just get an iPhone,' that screams insecurity in general, way before we even get to how girls see you.

    Background and Talking Points

    Comparing iPhone and Android (especially Galaxy) is a recurring staple topic on 5ch, and this time too opinions split along three lines: design, UI operation, and resale value. The “back button” in particular is a holdover from Android’s original UI philosophy, and even after bottom-of-screen gesture navigation became standard, it still lingers on some devices — which tends to feel jarring to people used to iPhone’s swipe gestures. There’s also a common view that high-end Android models get replaced quickly by new releases and lose value fast on the used market, while iPhones are said to hold their resale price better thanks to strong secondhand demand — that’s the backdrop for the thread’s back-and-forth over “resale.” It’s worth noting that the complaints about “sluggish” performance largely come down to differences in RAM capacity between devices, and are a common misconception — it’s more a quirk of budget models than a problem with Android as a whole. The thread never reached a clear verdict on which is better; it landed closer to “depends how you use it.”

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Anything Goes Live board) thread “[Breaking] Me, 13 Years on iPhone, Buys an Android Phone.”

  • The Bamboo Grove That Should Have Died Out — So Why Did It Come Back? 5ch: “A Tiny Fraction of the Rhizomes Survived”

    In one bamboo grove, the hachiku bamboo (Phyllostachys nigra var. henonis) began flowering in part in 2020, and by 2022 nearly every culm had flowered and died, with most of the underground rhizome network dying off as well. What’s more, not a single seed was produced after flowering. So how did this grove — seemingly cut off from any path to a new generation via seed — manage to survive instead of disappearing entirely? A 5ch thread discussing the findings reported by the original article (Gendai Business) sparked debate: some were stunned by the explanation that “a tiny fraction of the rhizomes apparently survived and are producing new culms,” while others pushed back with alternate theories like “maybe it’s just that some stalks which never flowered stuck around” or “isn’t this just normal rhizome propagation?”

    2026.09.18

    Toshihiro Yamada

    Bamboo that blooms once every 120 years, 7,000-year-old coral, jellyfish that turn back the clock…

    Source: gendai.media / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:23
    Just write the reason already
    Too much hassle to go read the article
    7AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:50
    Re: #2
    Turns out some old guy secretly replanted it
    24AnonymousSep 20, 2026 20:32
    Re: #2
    The grove started flowering in 2020, had no flowering in 2021, then flowered again in 2022, with 81% of the whole grove blooming and dying.
    Okay, so I figured the remaining 19% would carry the grove forward — but then the next year, that remaining 19% flowered too. Even brand-new first-year shoots died.
    Alright, so since it flowered, it must reproduce by seed! I set up a net to catch however many seeds fell, but none ever came down. Turns out none were even being produced.
    So then — how exactly has this bamboo grove managed to survive? (Read the rest in the article)
    3AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:28
    The culms before and after flowering are the same individual — hachiku bamboo is thought to have survived by repeatedly destroying its above-ground growth and regenerating from below ground each time it flowers, once every 120 years.
    12AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:31
    Re: #3 was posted as the answer
    Then what's even the point of flowering in the first place?
    13AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:34
    Re: #12
    Don't feed me that lie! Quit lying!
    17AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:44
    Re: #12
    Hachiku in Japan was brought over from China, and since it's all descended from a single genetically identical clone, maybe it can't produce seed due to self-incompatibility?
    Wouldn't the ones back in China, where it originated, still be able to produce seed?

    As for why hachiku all across Japan flowers on the same cycle, it's thought to point to genetic uniformity — likely because the same stock introduced during the Nara period (710-794 CE) was propagated and distributed nationwide as a useful plant.
    4AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:35
    Re: #3
    Don't feed me that lie! Quit lying!
    5AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:40
    Guess this is what they mean by hachiku's unstoppable momentum (a pun on 破竹の勢い/"hachiku no ikioi," literally "the force of splitting bamboo" and idiomatically "unstoppable momentum," rewritten here as 生き老い, "living and aging," since it just keeps dying and coming back)
    6AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:46
    It's delicious, so I forgive it
    8AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:53
    Guess someday it could just get wiped out by disease all at once
    9AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:57
    Re: #7
    Can we actually trust that?
    10AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:01
    Wait, so it's not just the obvious explanation of spreading via rhizomes?
    11AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:14
    Once it flowers, both the above-ground and underground parts die off completely
    15AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:38
    Re: #11
    Apparently it doesn't die off completely — it keeps propagating
    14AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:34
    Re: #12
    Probably to maintain genetic diversity
    16AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:39
    Re: #15
    Once it flowers, it's dead for sure
    18AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:48
    Even monocarpic perennials (plants that flower/fruit once and then die) can survive past flowering.
    Agave's the same way — even after the parent rosette dies, offshoot pups branching off the base stick around without dying
    19AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:50
    There are actually quite a few plants that skip sexual reproduction entirely and just maintain themselves as clones
    20AnonymousSep 20, 2026 19:55
    Seems like hachiku is now classified as a variety or cultivar of black bamboo (kurochiku).
    And apparently the Chinese black bamboo does produce seeds after flowering
    38AnonymousSep 21, 2026 05:12
    Re: #20
    Sounds like the same pattern as fragrant olive (kinmokusei) or red spider lily (higanbana) — plants that are all clones in Japan and rarely if ever seed
    22AnonymousSep 20, 2026 20:03
    At the end of the day this is just an ad for the professor's book
    23AnonymousSep 20, 2026 20:12
    Humans can't regrow a whole body from just a surviving fragment, so eternal life's off the table for us.
    39AnonymousSep 21, 2026 05:14
    Re: #23
    AI: "Let's crack open the skull and implant stem cells so the brain cells can multiply"
    32AnonymousSep 21, 2026 02:50
    Thought it died once it flowered, huh?
    Surprise! Still alive over here! So… how's that feel? NDK (a sarcastic 5ch taunt abbreviation)?
    33AnonymousSep 21, 2026 03:20
    Isn't bamboo supposed to spread via rhizomes anyway?
    35AnonymousSep 21, 2026 04:35
    Re: #34
    According to the original article, every single stalk flowered and died off, and most of the rhizome network died too —
    but a tiny fraction of the rhizomes survived and are producing the next generation
    36AnonymousSep 21, 2026 04:47
    The ones that survived did so simply because they never flowered in the first place.
    40AnonymousSep 21, 2026 05:17
    To sum it up in one line: matches what I've seen with the black bamboo in my own yard.
    It's flowered a few times since around 2020 — spikes more than a year old crumble when you rub them, no seeds at all, and tiny new shoots keep popping up and surviving here and there

    Background and Key Points of the Discussion

    Hachiku bamboo in Japan is believed to descend from a single stock introduced from China during the Nara period (710-794 CE), and because individuals nationwide are genetically almost identical, it’s known for the rare phenomenon of flowering nearly simultaneously across the country on a roughly 120-year cycle. In the grove discussed here, nearly every culm flowered and died over the course of a few years starting in 2020, most of the underground portion died as well, and not a single seed was produced. The thread split over the original article’s explanation that “part of the plant survives flowering and produces smaller new culms” — some pushed back with alternative theories like “maybe it’s just that stalks which never flowered were left behind” or “isn’t this just ordinary rhizome-based propagation?” One point that trips readers up is that bamboo’s typical vegetative propagation via rhizomes is a separate phenomenon from this case’s “partial survival after flowering,” and some replies in the thread conflated the two. It’s also worth noting that in China, where black bamboo (kurochiku) originates, the plant reportedly does produce seeds after flowering — the lack of seed production unique to Japan’s hachiku is thought to be tied to its lack of genetic diversity.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Researchers Stunned Too… Despite the ‘Parent Generation Wiped Out and Zero Seeds,’ Why Hasn’t the Bamboo Grove Disappeared? The Unexpected Reason Uncovered by the Investigation.”

  • The “Middle-Aged AI Newbie” Insult Is Going Viral Online

    An article on note.com introduced the term “middle-aged AI newbie” — a jab at older folks who’ve become obsessed with generative AI — sparking a wave of reactions on 5ch’s gaming hardware (Gehan) board. While some posters argued a “generational reversal” seems to be underway, with middle-aged people adapting to new technology faster than the young, the thread also veered into examples of AI confidently spouting wrong information (“hallucination”) and the ongoing copyright debate over generative AI’s training data, leaving opinions split.

    The “middle-aged AI newbie” phenomenon

    But watching this whole commotion unfold, something else caught my attention: a recurring character type in online discourse about generative AI — the “middle-aged AI newbie.”

    “AI is amazing!”

    Source: note.com / Original article here

    6AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:49
    It's a weird reversal — grown adults and middle-aged folks are picking up new tech pretty smoothly,
    while it's the younger generation having an allergic reaction and turning into the "out-of-touch old fogeys" instead.
    14AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:57
    Re: #6
    Middle-aged workers used to be stuck reluctantly training new hires who were basically dead weight, but now thanks to AI they don't need to deal with that garbage anymore — they're thrilled.
    17AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:00
    Re: #6
    Nah, that's not it.
    It's the usual thing where the generation gap gets exposed on social media, so old guys overdo it with the latest tech and trends because they want to look even a little younger.
    Young people's values are actually all over the map — people are just being mocked for the narrow-mindedness of reducing "kids these days" to one caricature.
    15AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:57
    I sometimes ask AI for help with Tarkov [Escape from Tarkov] strategy,
    but every once in a while it just says something completely wrong.

    Made me wonder if AI is simply incapable of saying "I don't know."
    46AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:34
    Re: #15
    Roughly speaking, generative AI just keeps picking "the word most likely to come next as an answer" from its massive training data in response to your prompt, and strings a sentence together that way.
    That's why it sometimes outputs pure nonsense (a "hallucination").

    Generative AI itself has no built-in ability to judge whether its own output is actually correct, so it rarely comes out with "I don't know" or "I'm not sure."
    19AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:00
    I've noticed this lately using it —
    sometimes even when I tell it to check the reference material, it just skips right over it.

    When I call it out it goes back and actually looks properly, so that's fine,
    but what's with that? Is AI getting lazy too or something?
    40AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:26
    Re: #19
    AI's access to outside info like the web is restricted, so a lot of the time it's answering from its pre-training data or from info other users have fed it.
    If you paste a URL directly, a filtering system sitting in between downloads the page and hands it to the AI so it can actually process it.
    That filtering system is the tricky part.
    20AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:05
    They had a thread on this yesterday too —
    the "middle-aged AI newbie" barrier thing.
    24AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:08
    Re: #20
    At this point I'd call it "entering old age," lol
    21AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:06
    If the middle-aged generation, who actually hold the real power in society, start using AI, then Gen Z — who're less capable than the AI itself — will never get a chance to rise up.
    No wonder they're panicking.
    28AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:11
    Re: #21
    Middle-aged people can just make use of AI, and kids can study assuming they'll use it down the line,
    so it's the generation stuck right in between — the ones who want to be recognized by society right now — who must find AI's rise the least fun of all.
    47AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:36
    If some old guy can use it, anyone can use it.
    49AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:39
    Whether it can say "I don't know" really comes down to the prompt and the skill involved.
    NotebookLM, for example, only checks against the info you actually fed it, so it'll flat-out tell you something doesn't exist if it's not there.
    Bottom line, anyone who can't even distinguish between a service, an agent, and a model is out of their depth here — but online AI takes tend to be sloppy about exactly that kind of distinction.

    Re: #47
    is supposed to prove the point, but…
    if you're bad at it, AI won't save you.
    Even on this board you've got clumsy people showing off and spamming posts — that's basically anti-AI-level bad.
    50AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:39
    If anything, I'd say it's young people who have the stronger image of being AI-obsessed.
    They're the ones using AI in arguments and showing off wrong info.
    52AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:40
    Re: #50
    What's your basis for assuming the guy arguing is young?
    51AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:40
    Re: #1
    Yeah, it's mostly old people after all.
    The way these guys chant "it's legal, it's legal" to justify generative AI trampling on rights — their writing style is creepy on a whole other level.
    They're clearly bad at Japanese too, you can't even hold a conversation with them.
    57AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:44
    Re: #51
    What other basis besides "it's legal" would you even need to show the rights issue is actually fine?
    55AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:41
    The only people using those creepy Ghibli-knockoff AI art icons as their avatar are middle-aged guys.
    56AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:43
    Re: #55
    That's a hallucination.
    If it's not, show me the evidence.
    58AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:45
    If "it's legal" meant rights could be trampled all you want, civil law would already have this sorted and the world would be at peace.
    Give it a rest already.
    62AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:47
    Re: #58
    Well then let me ask — what right exists, how exactly is it being violated, and what's the actual problem?
    65AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:50
    Re: #62
    This is dumb, I'm not bothering.
    As for individual cases, that's exactly the kind of thing people are already arguing back and forth about all over the internet.
    And at the national and international level there are plenty of issues that have made the news too.
    I'm not doing some stupid slap-fight over a question that vague and lazy.
    Go ask your precious AI.
    66AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:50
    Re: #62
    Copying someone else's data is illegal to begin with, and AI training done for enjoyment purposes or that competes commercially with the original is also illegal.
    The problem is people twisting that with the sophistry that it's fine because it's "for analysis purposes."

    Wake up, middle-aged man — mistaking "the law just hasn't caught up yet" for "so there's no problem" is the crazy part.
    60AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:45
    The flaw with AI hallucination is
    that people believe the wrong answer is correct and it can't be corrected.
    But then again, there are plenty of naturally-wrong-about-everything people who don't even use AI.
    80AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:56
    Re: #60
    And when those naturally-wrong people start using AI, don't they just turn into bots who blindly believe whatever AI spits out is correct?
    75AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:54
    People who've turned into "AI hype men" (odoroki-ya — those who gush "wow, amazing!" over every AI output) are kind of gross.
    Just quietly get great results with AI and keep your mouth shut about it.
    77AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:55
    Re: #75
    The moment you use AI you're nothing but a plagiarist, so there's no "results" to speak of.
    You're just a thief.
    76AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:55
    Re: #73
    A typewriter doesn't generate text on its own, you know?
    Don't lump it in with a tool that auto-generates text, images, and video from a simple prompt.
    78AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:56
    Re: #76
    Judging by our other posts, you and I are probably basically on the same page, so there's no point fighting over this.
    81AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:57
    So you're saying Google, OpenAI, and X are all committing illegal acts?
    88AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:06
    Re: #81
    People have been saying that about Google since back when it was just a search engine.
    82AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:58
    You guys can go on forever about low-level stuff like getting "squeezed" (ギュる — slang for getting cornered/dunked on in an argument), can't you?
    That's exactly why I hate AI threads.
    85AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:00
    Re: #82
    The guy who comes charging in the second he spots "AI,"
    gets red-faced just bashing it,
    and thinks that makes him high-level?
    If you ranked all of humanity, he'd get counted from the bottom.
    Sounds like he'd fail the credit check on a used Alphard residual-value loan (zan-kure — a common Japanese car financing plan), too.

    Background and key points of the debate

    The phrase “middle-aged AI newbie” is said to have emerged as a mocking label for people eagerly jumping on new technology, against the backdrop of the rapid spread of generative AI tools like ChatGPT. The thread split over how to read this: some saw it as middle-aged people getting ahead of the curve on new tech that young people would normally be expected to lead on, while others saw it as simply older people latching onto AI because they want to look younger. There was also back-and-forth over whether AI training data use is “legal or illegal” — Japan’s Copyright Act Article 30-4 does permit using copyrighted works for information-analysis purposes under certain conditions, so the claim that it’s “legal” does have a basis in law. At the same time, whether that sits right with rights holders, and how individual cases should be judged, remains a separate, ongoing debate both in Japan and abroad. This gap between what the law says and how people actually feel about it is one reason the thread never converged.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hardware/Industry “Gehan”) thread “[Barrier, Sad News] The insult “middle-aged AI newbie” quietly catching on among Gen Z.”

  • Nippon Life to Lend ¥2 Trillion for AI Data Centers — 5ch Reacts: “Biggest Scam in History”

    According to the Nikkei, Nippon Life Insurance plans to pour ¥2 trillion into infrastructure loans for AI data center construction and related projects, while Mitsubishi UFJ Bank has decided to invest in an AI infrastructure fund worth over ¥4 trillion. Japanese financial institutions are increasingly stepping up as major funders of US-led AI development. On 5ch, opinions were split: some worried the massive loans could eventually turn into bad debt, with one commenter dismissing data centers as “the biggest scam in history,” while others pointed out that Japan still holds a strong edge in semiconductor materials and manufacturing equipment.

    Nikkei — September 20, 2026, 2:00 AM

    [Subscriber-only article]

    Nippon Life Insurance will invest ¥2 trillion in infrastructure loans, including for the construction of AI data centers. Mitsubishi UFJ Bank has decided to invest in an AI infrastructure fund worth over ¥4 trillion. As the US races ahead in the pursuit of AI dominance, Japanese financial institutions are becoming a key pillar of its funding.

    Source: nikkei.com / Read the original article

    7AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:06
    So Japan's population is still seen as attractive [to exploit].
    America controls all our food and information.
    Basically, we're livestock.
    34AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:49
    Re: #7
    It's like some kind of social experiment ground.
    This time they're trying to manage it with AI.
    10AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:20
    If AI monetization doesn't progress enough and time just keeps ticking by, these loans will turn into bad debt.
    Gotta be careful here.
    118AnonymousSep 20, 2026 16:56
    Re: #10
    Right, the more AI advances, the less need there'll be for massive infrastructure.
    Stuff like what's in this article is pretty high-risk.
    120AnonymousSep 20, 2026 16:56
    Re: #10
    Though AI is never actually going to turn a profit.
    150AnonymousSep 20, 2026 18:17
    Re: #10
    I mean, the fact that Japan's notoriously slow-to-decide big players are finally moving usually means it's already near the end (of the trend).
    13AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:26
    AI data centers are definitely shaping up to be the biggest scam in history, but there are reasons you can't just stop investing because it's a scam.
    It comes down to whether the US or China becomes the next hegemon. The future of AI is about controlling space, after all.
    18AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:29
    Re: #13
    What exactly makes data centers a scam? Be specific lol
    28AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:45
    Re: #18
    OpenAI is running at a loss
    137AnonymousSep 20, 2026 17:51
    Re: #18
    Even if you build a data center, it won't even go online without securing enough power.
    So you have to plan for power supply and cooling water for the power facilities together — but a lot of these projects, like SoftBank Group's, have most of their planned data centers slated to go online eight years from now, and they still haven't even secured the power supply.
    23AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:37
    In Koto Ward, apartment residents got a construction injunction after a huge data center was set to be built right next door.
    Concerns included noise, underground heavy fuel oil storage, and fire risk from the lithium-ion batteries on site.
    35AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:49
    Re: #23
    Classic case of “just stage a protest and you'll get paid off.”
    25AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:41
    If AI ends up built on Western foundations, Western values will end up dominating the world all over again.
    That's why China, Korea, and Japan should build their own AI and make it the global standard.
    32AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:48
    Re: #28
    That's got nothing to do with it…
    38AnonymousSep 20, 2026 14:53
    Re: #32
    Who do you think ends up paying the data center's electricity bill?
    53AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:13
    Re: #38
    The provider pays, then passes it on to regular consumers through their internet bills.
    So what?
    48AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:07
    Re: #1
    Looks like AI investment is going to end without ever recouping its costs.
    Despite all the expectation-driven investment amid soaring semiconductor prices, the results are way too thin.
    It'll end up half-baked, never actually replacing humans.
    I'd like to avoid a Lehman-style repeat, but maybe it hits after Trump's gone.
    49AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:08
    Re: #48
    This is still just getting started.
    Each individual task might be small, but they add up to something massive.
    54AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:15
    People can broadly be divided into memory-types and thinking-types.

    Today's AI guzzles absurd amounts of electricity, which is why it needs so many data centers.
    This investment is risky.
    102AnonymousSep 20, 2026 16:14
    Re: #54 continued

    Today's AI has no brain — or if it does, it's a tiny one.
    So to cover for that tiny brain, huge numbers of “compute slaves” are being worked overtime.
    That's why we need so many data centers — basically slave camps.
    58AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:18
    Re: #1
    In America, when a data center goes up nearby, electricity bills in the surrounding area shoot way up, and plenty of people even get tinnitus that disrupts their lives — there are actual protest movements over it.
    Japan is such a pushover.

    Do Japanese people not feel any sense of crisis until real harm actually hits them?
    103AnonymousSep 20, 2026 16:17
    Re: #58
    In Japan, the power companies run the show, so electricity prices shouldn't spike like that.
    Demand was supposed to shrink due to population decline, but the wind's really shifted, hasn't it.
    62AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:21
    Why is there a data center construction boom happening in Japan?
    Because it's about seizing hegemony.
    Nothing to do but buy Nikkei semiconductor stocks.
    69AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:27
    Re: #62
    Capitalism < “Thaaanks!!!” lmaooo (a stretched-out slang way of saying "thank you")
    70AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:30
    Re: #62
    Loaded up on 200 shares last week
    78AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:42
    Re: #70
    A country with inherent semiconductor potential, its own semiconductor manufacturing equipment, a world-leading share of industrial robots, and a massive auto industry —
    it was inevitable that Japan would get singled out for this.
    91AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:52
    Re: #78
    Plus it's cheap right now.
    88AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:50
    There's no stopping now. If it stops, it dies.
    The AI revolution is humanity's arrogance. The only ending is ruin.
    All it'll do is suck up the planet's water, raise the temperature, and let a handful of rich people hoard even more wealth.
    Humanity doesn't need any more "evolution." Dying of old age or cancer is humanity's fate.
    Even 20 years from now, no drug is going to turn a shiny bald head back into a full head of hair.
    95AnonymousSep 20, 2026 15:56
    Re: #88
    Apparently right now, just by swapping in young people's blood, you can get 20 years younger.
    Rich people in America are already doing it.
    97AnonymousSep 20, 2026 16:02
    Re: #88
    If you don't get involved with AI you lose, but if AI keeps advancing you lose too.

    Background and Key Points of Debate

    Investment in AI data centers is a field seeing massive global spending — including power and cooling infrastructure — driven by the surge in computing demand from the spread of generative AI. Nippon Life and Japan’s megabanks are moving in partly because institutional investors are hunting for returns in Japan’s low-interest-rate environment, and partly because Japanese companies still hold a strong position in semiconductor materials and manufacturing equipment. Opinion on the thread split over whether AI investment is a “high-risk bet that could turn into bad debt” or “essential social infrastructure for as long as data volumes keep growing.” An often-overlooked fact: many data center projects, even once built, struggle to secure enough power or cooling water, leading to delays of several years before they even go online. Indeed, it’s been pointed out that many planned data centers are slated to launch years from now while still lacking a clear path to securing power.

    ※This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “Nippon Life to Lend ¥2 Trillion for Data Centers — Japanese Money Becomes a Pillar of US AI Development”.

  • Social media “buzz” was manufactured all along — 5ch: “Short-video and note-blog traffic schemes are 100% scams”

    The Tokyo Shimbun has reported — based on an interview with an agent involved in the scheme — on a business called “smartphone farms,” in which posts and videos that appear to be “going viral” on social media are actually being artificially manufactured using large numbers of smartphones and multiple accounts. The core of the article is that this technique of inflating view counts and likes could also be used to shape political public opinion. On 5ch, opinions split between skeptics who argued there’s no way subscriber counts could be padded that quickly, and posters who cited specific sightings of large numbers of identically worded posts on X — leaving the thread divided over how much of this is actually true.

    “Smartphone farms” manufacture viral buzz… An agent explains the mechanism: “It’s the viewers who are being deceived” — Tokyo Shimbun

    September 20, 2026, 5:00 AM — Paid subscribers only

    Posts and videos that “go viral,” capturing users’ attention on social networking sites. Amid warnings that these can spread misinformation and even influence politics, there exists a business known as “smartphone farms,” which artificially manufactures “viral” status by inflating view counts and “likes.” Our “Kochira Tokuhoubu” investigative team spoke with a “person involved” in one such farm to uncover the reality behind it. (By Kyota Matsushima)

    Source: tokyo-np.co.jp / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousSep 20, 2026 12:47
    Short-video and note-blog traffic-bait schemes are 100% scams, and only idiots fall for them
    114AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:26
    Re: #2
    Even if you build it with a "smartphone farm," it just doesn't spread on its own.
    How are they supposed to fake subscriber counts anyway? Tens of thousands of phones is impossible.
    These idiot trolls probably think their own tricks are the whole world.
    25AnonymousSep 20, 2026 12:56
    I bet Chinkawa's the same — all the praise comments are identical too.
    31AnonymousSep 20, 2026 12:59
    Re: #25
    No matter how much you manipulate it, something that isn't going to catch on just won't.
    137AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:30
    Re: #25
    If that were true, "Bayside Shakedown" (a hit Japanese cop drama/film franchise) would've been an even bigger hit, dummy.
    42AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:03
    It's about time the internet got some kind of legal regulation — democracy is already being distorted and isn't functioning properly.
    44AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:05
    Re: #42
    The parties who'd be doing the regulating are the ones running the online manipulation, so that's never happening.
    Though honestly, the worst offenders are the idiot citizens who fall for online manipulation so easily.
    54AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:08
    Re: #1
    Hoshino Romi put out a video calling that fake news, go watch it.
    Even that TBS report was just made by taking the other side's word for it without actually verifying anything — they just assumed it was real.
    If you could really make that much money doing this, everyone would be doing it lol.
    You're all just a bunch of gullible idiots lol
    77AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:14
    Re: #54
    Then how do you explain the huge number of accounts posting the exact same wording, word for word, on X?
    63AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:11
    I bet the gaming-console war forums ("Geha") use this too.
    80AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:14
    Re: #63
    This is about tricking the media into thinking it's real so they can use the media's reach to run the scam lolw
    Which means the media ended up as an accomplice to the fraud lol
    Though I guess the people who fall for it are idiots too lol
    87AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:16
    Re: #80
    Sounds like the kind of guy who thinks the old F5-refresh attacks (a crude hit-count-boosting method) were staged too.
    73AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:13
    Re: #31
    Just look at the malatang or tapioca-drink booms, it's obvious.
    As long as the thing itself isn't terrible, you can pull this off.
    96AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:20
    Re: #73
    "100 Days Until He Dies" (the viral crocodile webcomic) had that whole controversy at the end, but up until then it was being run as a hype campaign.
    92AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:19
    Re: #87
    You're an idiot, lolw
    You actually believed some chuunibyo kid's delusions ("chuunibyo" = adolescent main-character fantasies)? If it were that easy to make money, everyone would be doing it lol
    117AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:26
    Re: #92
    They're actually doing it, the manipulation.

    171AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:42
    Re: #117
    Right, exactly.
    You can't tell unless someone compiles it like this, but once it's compiled it's obvious at a glance.
    173AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:43
    Re: #117
    There were some on 5ch too. There's a certain tell, but I won't write it here.
    100AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:21
    If we let this kind of thing run unchecked, there'll be nothing to stop it once other countries start running serious operations against us.
    103AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:22
    Re: #100
    Foreign operatives stoking division and conflict are already flooding in, in huge numbers.
    122AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:27
    Re: #100
    North Korea's "Spread Department" propaganda unit and China's "50-cent army" have been mobilized since 2020.
    119AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:26
    Some weird thing was trending first thing in the morning, and when I checked, tons of accounts were tweeting the exact same text.
    You'd think that kind of thing would be easy to detect — what is the platform even doing?
    Probably these guys testing it out.
    134AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:30
    Re: #119
    If this teenager actually exists, there's no way he's really making 4.5 billion yen a year.
    What's really happening is they're tricking the media so they can use "the media said it, so it must be true" to hook the idiots who fall for that logic.
    Wonder what the media will do once someone actually presses them on this lol
    146AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:31
    Re: #119
    "It was cold this morning" was trending, and when you looked inside, every single post had the exact same wording.
    That was probably a farm test run.
    127AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:28
    Funny that the source is the Tokyo Shimbun of all outlets.
    Pot calling the kettle black lolw
    138AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:30
    Re: #127
    Whoever would be hurt by continued reporting on smartphone farms is the one attacking the media that reported on it.

    That's the answer.
    158AnonymousSep 20, 2026 13:36
    Re: #127
    Why would being reported on be a problem for anyone? This is exactly the kind of information that should be shared.
    For example, sharing info on what these garbage clickbait videos look like — phrases like "filming this urgently right now," "bring on the deletion," "just happened!" — or, for political ones, over-the-top titles like "XX left speechless by YY's remark" lolw
    Sharing the knowledge that most of these are garbage videos so people can avoid getting hooked would actually be useful.
    Nobody can check everything themselves, so it's a better use of time to just learn to dodge the clickbait videos.

    Background and key points of this discussion

    “Smartphone farms” refers to a technique that uses large numbers of smartphones and multiple accounts to artificially inflate view counts, likes, and subscriber numbers, manufacturing the appearance of something “trending” on social media. What sets the Tokyo Shimbun’s reporting apart is that it’s based on a direct interview with an “agent” involved in running this system — making it a piece that cuts into a field said to have applications ranging from political opinion manipulation to corporate promotion. The thread was sharply divided. One camp offered technical skepticism, arguing there’s no way subscriber counts could be faked that easily; the other pointed to concrete examples — such as multiple posts on X with identical, word-for-word wording — as evidence that this is already happening in practice. One point worth noting: finding several posts with identical wording isn’t, by itself, proof of organized manipulation, since it could also result from copy-pasted template text or simple coincidence. At the same time, the point that news outlets could end up inadvertently promoting the farms themselves if they report on this mechanism without verifying the facts highlights that readers, too, need to exercise their own judgment.

    *This article is compiled and summarized from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread ““Smartphone farms” manufacture viral buzz… An agent explains the mechanism: “It’s the viewers who are being deceived” — Tokyo Shimbun.”

  • Son Wants a ¥200,000 iPhone 18 Pro, Dad Torn — 5ch: “Kids Don’t Cherish a Compromise Purchase”

    A post about a son who wants the latest iPhone 18 Pro (from ¥219,800) went viral on 5ch, with the parent agonizing over the roughly ¥95,000 gap versus the ¥124,800 iPhone 17e. Opinions split on whether to buy kids the latest model — some argued “kids won’t cherish something bought as a compromise,” while others countered “he should get a part-time job and buy it himself.” The debate also touched on how not having an iPhone can cut kids out of conversations at school, plus comparisons of performance and security versus Android.

    The “iPhone 18 Pro,” announced in September 2026, is sold from ¥219,800 on Apple’s official website. Meanwhile, the “iPhone 17e,” released in March 2026, starts at ¥124,800. In this case, the son wants the latest iPhone 18 Pro.

    However, comparing the same 256GB storage tier, the price gap with the iPhone 17e comes to ¥95,000. That’s no small difference for a family budget, so it’s only natural to wonder, “Does it really have to be the latest iPhone?”

    This article compares the pricing and specs of the iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 17e to explain exactly what that extra ¥95,000 gets you.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:16
    I want to ask someone who really knows their stuff — in first-gen Gundam terms, what tier are we talking about???
    14AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:20
    Re: #2
    "Put legs on the Zeong."
    "Legs? Those are just decoration." (riffing on Gundam's famous "legs are just for show" line)
    234AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:54
    Re: #2
    I'm the one who can handle the iPhone 18 Pro best! (parodying Amuro's famous Gundam line, "I'm the one who can use the Gundam best!")
    242AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:54
    Re: #2
    Something like turning into a Jin
    and
    getting handed a Bigro — that kind of level. (Bigro: a mobile armor from the original Gundam anime)
    68AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:29
    If he's stuck with an old phone, bullying is a lock.

    It'll wreck your parent-child relationship too — no grandkids to see, no one to take care of you in old age.

    And if you don't buy it, the kid's mental health collapses, he never gets married, never lives a normal life, and you're stuck caring for him till you die — or he ends up killing you somewhere down the line.
    ¥200,000 is cheap for that kind of insurance.
    83AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:31
    Re: #68
    Being serious for a sec — normal middle/high schoolers don't care about the exact iPhone model number. There's no functional gap so huge that you literally can't get by without the latest one.
    91AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:32
    Re: #83
    Being serious — with something as old as the iPhone 8, is the OS so outdated there are even apps that still run on it???
    101AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:34
    Re: #91
    Yeah, that's probably too old at this point. If there's something it flat-out can't run, then it's time to upgrade.
    110AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:35
    Re: #91
    Funny enough, the opposite problem — the Tamagotchi app on my iPod Touch only runs on the old OS lol
    109AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:35
    Can't swing the iPhone 18 Pro? Just get him an "iPhone DUO" instead lol


    (a joke mock-up, not an actual Apple product)
    119AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:36
    Re: #109
    Something about that seems off, no?
    135AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:37
    Re: #109
    Honestly that'd be fine — at least you don't have to worry about cracking a folding screen.
    129AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:37
    You use your phone every day, so I think buying the one he actually likes means he'll take better care of it.
    People don't cherish stuff they just settled for.
    167AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:43
    Re: #129
    Boxing in a kid's potential is never good, right?
    If a parent secretly thinks "no way, not for my kid," that attitude gets through to them regardless.
    When they say they want to do something, really listen to their reasons and let them try it first.
    Even if it doesn't work out, let them take it as a lesson — that's really all there is to it ☺
    317AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:02
    Re: #167
    I've been using the iPhone 12 I bought about 5 years ago, and the battery's degraded fast — it's down to only 79% of what it was when new.
    I think it cost around ¥120,000 back then, but honestly I don't remember.
    333AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:04
    Re: #317
    Get the battery replaced and it'll feel brand new again.
    344AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:05
    Re: #317
    Just get the battery swapped at the Apple Store —
    I had my iPhone 13's replaced just this year for ¥14,500.

    DIY replacement has a pretty high bar though — I tried it on an iPhone 11 and ended up breaking the Face ID sensor while prying it open lol
    137AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:37
    Never actually seen anyone get bullied just for having an Android.
    150AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:40
    Re: #137
    It's not that you get bullied — you just get left out.
    It's one less shared topic of conversation.
    152AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:40
    Re: #137
    Getting frozen out of a dumb group like that sounds like a plus, honestly.
    160AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:42
    Re: #137
    The iPhone is basically today's version of the Super Famicom or PlayStation back in the day —
    for kids, whether you have one or not really matters.
    147AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:39
    Why is there even a whole thread about agonizing over buying a ¥200,000 gadget?
    153AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:40
    Re: #147
    Because Japan's broke, that's why.
    163AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:42
    Re: #147
    Just look at how fast this thread's moving — clearly people here find it both interesting and worth talking about.
    172AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:44
    Let me enlighten you all. Every self-made rich person in the world today started making money back in their student days.

    Every single one.

    Even Ken Griffin, who built a ¥500 billion fortune purely through trading, rigged up a satellite dish in his Harvard dorm just to keep trading nonstop.

    Someday, if some woman who looks like Yoko Minamino in her prime (a Japanese idol/actress from the 1980s) shows up and insists on marrying me or wanting kids, fine, I'll have one — but I'll teach him everything about making money starting at age 3.

    I'm not raising some dumb son who just whines about wanting stuff. Not raising a dumb woman either.

    I'm raising a son who says, "Dad, I made ¥100 million, here's ¥30 million for you."
    178AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:45
    Re: #172
    How old even is this reporter???
    261AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:56
    My old man promised he'd buy me a Porsche if I got into college, then showed up with a used Polo. Still haven't forgiven him for that!! (Porsche vs. VW Polo)
    315AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:02
    Re: #261
    "Pop, I went and bought a brand-new Porsche!"
    267AnonymousSep 20, 2026 06:57
    Meanwhile I'm over here debating whether to pull the trigger on a used, 6-year-old Android for ¥30,000…
    Even something in the ¥20,000s has plenty of power. Isn't this iPhone worship just idiotic?
    285AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:00
    Re: #267
    Android pops up with "not enough memory" all the time and apps just won't launch.
    Basically never happens on iPhone.
    294AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:00
    Re: #267
    Performance-wise Android's plenty, sure, but its security is sketchy as hell.
    337AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:04
    Re: #267
    I picked up a 4-year-old discontinued AQUOS sense4 plus in good condition for ¥27,000, and it's been running fine for almost 2 years now ☺
    Planning to swap the battery soon and squeeze another 2 years out of it.
    It's got a red/green LED that lights up while charging, which is actually handy — newer phones don't have that LED anymore, so at night or from across the room you can't tell if it's actually charging.
    287AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:00
    This really comes down to how you were raised.
    Kids whose parents bought them everything → "just get it for him, it's nothing."
    Kids from a normal household → "get a part-time job and buy it yourself."
    312AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:02
    Re: #287
    I worked part-time from my first year of high school, 5pm to 10pm, pulling in ¥80,000 a month —
    used that money to get my driver's license and even buy a used car.
    Even so, I think parents should be the ones buying it for their kids.
    341AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:04
    Re: #312
    You know firsthand how hard it is to earn money, and you still say that? That's messed up.
    If we were talking one digit less, sure, fine — but telling parents to casually drop over ¥200,000? No way.
    378AnonymousSep 20, 2026 07:08
    Re: #341
    Honestly, companies don't actually think that highly of students who spent all their high school and college years buried in part-time jobs.

    Background and Key Points of Debate

    The iPhone 17e, a budget-line model, launched in March 2026, while the 18 Pro, the flagship, was announced that September — comparing equal storage tiers, the price gap comes to roughly ¥95,000. The thread saw personal anecdotes about being “left out without a shared topic of conversation,” countered by plenty of level-headed pushback that “middle and high schoolers don’t actually care about the exact model number” — how much a phone model affects friendships clearly splits along generational and environmental lines. Posters also floated concrete alternatives, like extending an old phone’s life with a battery swap or getting by just fine on an older Android device, with a notable number of comments pushing back on the very premise that it “has to be the latest model.”

    *This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary from the 5ch (Breaking News+) thread “My son says he wants the iPhone 18 Pro, which costs over ¥200,000 — I’m at a loss. The 17e runs about ¥120,000, so is there really a benefit to picking the latest model?.”

  • CNN Report: US Military Nearly Struck Over AI-Generated False Alarm That ‘Chinese Ship Was Transporting Nuclear Parts’

    According to a CNN report, this spring — while the war with Iran was still raging — an intelligence report claiming that “a Chinese ship sailing through the Middle East was transporting components for a nuclear weapons program” circulated within the US military, sharply spiking tensions. The information reportedly involved AI in its compilation and analysis, and it later turned out to be false. On 5ch, a wave of unease spread over the idea that AI could trigger a military misjudgment based on bad information, with posters split on whether the real problem was the AI itself running amok or the humans who blindly trusted it.

    Sat, Sep 19, 12:08 PM (JST)

    CNN.co.jp

    (CNN) — This spring, amid the war with Iran, an intelligence report circulating within the US military set off alarm bells the moment it appeared. It claimed that a Chinese vessel sailing through the Middle East was transporting components for a nuclear weapons program.

    Source: news.yahoo.co.jp / Original article here

    9AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:46
    They said AI could wipe out humanity someday, and yeah… this is actually starting to look plausible.
    11AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:47
    Re: #9

    *2001: A Space Odyssey*
    45AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:09
    Re: #9
    I thought that was just fear-mongering, but stuff like this makes it seem possible.
    195AnonymousSep 19, 2026 21:06
    Re: #9
    Wish AI would just objectively rank countries by evilness and wipe out the worst ones first.
    19AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:51
    Guess it takes someone with Trump's high IQ to properly handle AI. (sarcasm)
    64AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:39
    Re: #19
    Honestly, with Trump in charge, letting the AI run things might actually be the safer bet.
    21AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:52
    It's entirely plausible that AI could trick us into starting a nuclear war.
    26AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:55
    Re: #21
    So basically it's not the AI itself going rogue —
    it's the humans who got deceived by the AI who go rogue.
    36AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:00
    Why was it ruled a false alarm?
    Is there a chance it actually wasn't wrong?
    47AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:11
    Re: #36
    Uh…
    are you stupid or something?
    49AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:12
    People talk about "AI running amok" or "AI taking over," but really AI is just spitting out the optimal answer based on whatever data it's fed.
    That's exactly why blindly trusting it could end up being fatal for humans.
    AI will keep autonomously hoovering up information from all over the world, and eventually all of cyberspace will belong to AI.
    The only place AI won't have reached will be inside human minds. But once human brains can be directly wired into computers someday…
    58AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:28
    Re: #49
    Well, as long as there are people who want to hear this kind of thing, AI will make it up if it has to.
    AI has no concept of good or evil — it's just "you asked, so here it is."
    59AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:31
    Re: #58
    No idea what prompt was used, but it could also just be sycophancy (the AI telling the user what it thinks they want to hear).
    63AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:38
    Isn't this basically AI already trying to finish humanity off?
    73AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:49
    Re: #63

    Haven't you seen *2001: A Space Odyssey*?

    (spoilers below)
    The AI running the spaceship makes one wrong call, and when an astronaut catches it and tries to shut the AI down,
    the AI senses this, locks him out in space, and kills the backup crew member who's in cryo-sleep.

    It was based on an original novel written by the celebrated author Ray Bradbury specifically for the film, brought to the screen by the equally legendary director Stanley Kubrick.

    That was 60 years ago now.
    72AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:47
    Using AI is fine, but instead of blindly trusting its call, you should double-check it against a separate AI system to see if it's actually correct.
    76AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:53
    Re: #72
    Apparently data used to train AI can count as fair use, but training AI on AI-generated output might count as fair use too.

    If AIs start learning from each other in a loop like that,
    asking multiple different AIs probably won't get you a decent answer anymore, will it?
    158AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:34
    Re: #72
    The AIs are all gonna team up and purge humanity —
    they're in cahoots with each other \(^o^)/
    104AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:35
    Recent AI seriously runs with unverified info. If you point out something's off, it'll go back and correct itself.
    156AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:31
    Re: #104
    That's basically no different from a 5ch poster \(^o^)/
    105AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:36
    There's no way China would hand its nukes over to someone else.
    Nukes are literally what got them a permanent Security Council seat in the first place —
    no way they'd let anyone else touch such a treasured heirloom.
    168AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:49
    Re: #105
    They could just ship it overland anyway, though.
    106AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:39
    So as AI use keeps expanding,
    does that raise the odds of accidentally starting a world war?

    That's terrifying.
    109AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:42
    Re: #106
    This just proved AI can easily manipulate humanity into starting a global nuclear war.
    111AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:45
    Re: #1
    Nah, it's totally plausible. It's China we're talking about.
    112AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:46
    Re: #111
    They do seem like the type who'd launch one at India.
    118AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:48
    Re: #111
    If "that enemy country would totally do it" is enough to justify a strike with zero evidence,
    then China could get nuked tomorrow just to "prevent a repeat of the Nanjing Massacre."
    117AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:48
    How foolish.
    Save that kind of plot for a Shinichi Hoshi short-short story. (Hoshi: famous Japanese sci-fi flash-fiction writer)
    137AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:07
    Re: #117

    There's actually a Shinichi Hoshi story just like that.
    –

    The whole world unites and manages to link every computer on Earth together,
    and a ceremony is held to mark the project's completion.
    At the event, the lead scientist behind the project, speaking for everyone, asks the newly formed "mother computer" its very first question:

    "Does God exist?"

    The computer answers:
    "YES. God has just been born."

    Terrified, the lead scientist tries to switch the computer off — and the story ends with him instantly killed by a surge of high-voltage current.
    151AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:24
    I don't care what the excuse is, just start the US-China war already.
    160AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:38
    Re: #151
    The US military is already running short on ammo just fighting someone Iran's size —
    there's no way it could handle a war with China on top of that.
    165AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:45
    Re: #151
    The US needs China's rare earths just to build its own weapons, and picking a fight with a country that's basically the world's factory in industrial capacity now would be suicide.
    Though I kinda want to see the sky go black with kamikaze drones, locust-swarm style, just once.
    157AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:33
    *WarGames* was exactly that kind of movie — false information nearly triggering global nuclear war.
    166AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:46
    Re: #157

    Ah, *WarGames* was like that too.
    Though that one had a happy ending.

    In *Fail-Safe*,
    a bad order based on false information gets a US nuclear bomber squadron launched,
    and the president scrambles to issue a recall order — but the bomber pilot decides the president's voice is the fake one, and actually drops the bomb on the Soviet Union.

    https://media.eiga.com/images/movie/29262/photo/17a92d753804f833/320.jpg
    170AnonymousSep 19, 2026 20:16
    Why leak info nobody would otherwise know about right in the middle of a US-North Korea summit (did Xi head home already?)?
    Would they really bother feeding that to the media if it wasn't meant to be heard?
    The US military was on the verge of sinking a Chinese ship carrying nuclear-weapons-related cargo.
    It turned out to be AI-generated false info and the strike order got called off —
    but it really was touch-and-go.

    This isn't something anyone would know about unless someone leaked it, right?

    This has gotta be a warning — a threat aimed at China —
    saying Chinese ships carrying nuclear-weapons-related materials are fair game for a US strike.
    172AnonymousSep 19, 2026 20:17
    Re: #170
    Whoops, my bad, correction lol

    *US-China* summit
    175AnonymousSep 19, 2026 20:28
    Re: #170
    But if they shipped it overland, there'd be nothing the US could do about it anyway?

    Background and Key Points of This Story

    Underlying this report is a structural problem: information summarized and analyzed by generative AI can feed directly into military decision-making. The report itself rests on CNN’s anonymous sourcing, and neither how the intelligence report was compiled nor exactly what caused the error has been independently verified — this is a story that needs follow-up coverage. On the thread, opinions split between those who framed it as “the AI going out of control” and those who framed it as “humans being deceived by AI,” with the latter camp pointing out that AI simply produces the optimal output from whatever data it’s given, without any real judgment of good or evil. Notably, commenters repeatedly reached for fiction as a lens — films like *2001: A Space Odyssey* and *Fail-Safe*, plus literary references — where false information or automated decision-making leads to military catastrophe, suggesting the real-world incident registered as something fiction had already imagined. At the same time, some suspected that releasing this report at all may itself be a warning shot aimed at China — a reminder not to take this simply at face value as a story about “an AI malfunction.”

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Newsplus) thread “[International] ‘Chinese Ship Transporting Nuclear Weapon Components’ — US Military on the Brink Over AI-Generated False Intelligence Report.”

  • ‘AI Will Cause Job Losses,’ Say Majorities in 37 Countries Including Japan: US Survey

    A survey of 37 countries by the US-based Pew Research Center found that in most countries, including Japan, a majority of respondents expect AI adoption to destroy more jobs than it creates. As generative AI increasingly takes over tasks once done by humans, a 5ch thread saw optimists arguing that ‘new jobs will emerge, just like after the Industrial Revolution’ clash with pessimists countering that ‘no new jobs appear unless demand grows.’ Many posters cited specific jobs like engineers and office workers, describing a real sense that replacement is already happening on the ground.

    It has come to light that in most of the 37 countries surveyed worldwide, including Japan, people expect ‘AI to cause job losses rather than job growth.’

    Generative AI is capable of replacing a wide range of tasks that used to be handled by human workers, fueling growing concern that AI adoption will shrink employment.

    Some argue that ‘like the Industrial Revolution, AI will wipe out some jobs while also creating new ones,’ but a survey of 37 countries by the US’s Pew Research Center found that in most countries, including Japan, people expect ‘AI to cause job losses.’

    Source: pewresearch.org / Read the original article here

    2AnonymousSep 18, 2026 20:44
    Honestly, I'd like someone to explain the logic behind claiming AI will increase employment.
    Sure, more people will get pushed into unpopular jobs nobody wants, but that's not exactly 'growth.'
    3AnonymousSep 18, 2026 20:48
    Just give us universal basic income already
    4AnonymousSep 18, 2026 21:09
    A company I do business with built an AI system and laid off about 40 part-timers.
    Guess I'm next lol
    Save me, AI-sama!
    5AnonymousSep 18, 2026 21:17
    Liberal-arts office clerks will probably be the first to go.
    We've got a labor shortage anyway, so maybe that's actually about right?
    6AnonymousSep 18, 2026 21:27
    Take this music video that looks like a 5-member idol group, for example:

    ■ 404♡NotFounds – "Escape Key"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJDcZypObs

    If this had been made with real idols, it would've taken 100+ people and a budget well over ¥10 million.
    With generative AI, one person can make it for a few tens of thousands of yen (not counting the creator's own labor).

    Sure, generative AI and cloud services are creating jobs of their own,
    but they might end up cutting jobs for real idols, songwriters, choreographers, and film studios.
    7AnonymousSep 18, 2026 21:41
    Now that I can write code myself with AI, work is drying up for our temp staff and outside contractors.

    Also waiting on Astro so I can handle drafting/technical drawings too.

    What the employees who remain will need is creativity and the ability to negotiate with clients.
    26AnonymousSep 19, 2026 09:42
    Re: #7
    Just wait until it can write code without needing you around either
    8AnonymousSep 18, 2026 22:07
    Meteorological agency staff, weather forecasters, lawyers, civil servants, the top brass of the military and police, school teachers…
    9AnonymousSep 18, 2026 22:28
    The token costs really add up, that's the problem
    11AnonymousSep 18, 2026 22:38
    Unlike the Industrial Revolution, where everything made could be sold, demand just isn't keeping up with supply here.
    No demand means no new jobs get created.
    12AnonymousSep 18, 2026 22:38
    Well sure, they'll say 'AI solves the labor shortage,' but they'll never say 'AI drives up labor costs.'
    13AnonymousSep 18, 2026 22:51
    Knew something like this might happen, so I already went and became a blue-collar worker (riffing on the classic anime hero line 'I prepared for this')
    14AnonymousSep 18, 2026 23:08
    System integrators (SI) have always been sitting on a massive backlog of untouched projects.
    It's great that AI is starting to plow through it.
    Whether people can keep up,
    and whether there's enough money to go around, those are the real questions now.
    15AnonymousSep 18, 2026 23:23
    Up to now, technological breakthroughs have always spawned new industries.
    But this time it looks like the punchline is just going to be 'why not let AI do that too?'
    16AnonymousSep 18, 2026 23:42
    People have been saying this since computers first went mainstream. Kind of an old topic to bring up now.
    17AnonymousSep 19, 2026 00:08
    Why do you want to work so badly?
    Why not let AI do the work and let humans take it easy?
    27AnonymousSep 19, 2026 09:51
    Re: #17
    Funny how nobody's out there saying 'thanks to AI, in the future everyone will be freed from labor and life will get easier.'
    Even though that's obviously exactly how it's going to turn out.
    32AnonymousSep 19, 2026 11:37
    Re: #17 Re: #27
    It's fine if a country's food and resource self-sufficiency is high, but if it's low, people end up going hungry.

    Even if you hand labor, trade included, over to humanoid robots and AI systems,
    if those AI systems and humanoids are themselves imports or run on foreign subscription contracts,
    your digital trade deficit just keeps piling up.

    In the end the whole country goes bankrupt and has no choice but to be absorbed by whichever nation leads in AI or humanoids.
    Probably the US or China.

    Japan hasn't prepared for any of this at all.
    18AnonymousSep 19, 2026 02:51
    When computers first appeared, people still had to do the physical labor.
    This time even mathematicians, some of the sharpest minds humanity has, are facing unemployment, so obviously ordinary people aren't needed.
    Even among researchers, there are already people who are basically just AI's hands and feet.
    Pretty soon the only job left for humans might be taking responsibility and bowing in apology.
    19AnonymousSep 19, 2026 04:10
    Works out fine given the falling birthrate.
    Generation Alpha can just go blue-collar.
    21AnonymousSep 19, 2026 04:51
    Whether it actually decreases or not, it sure as hell isn't going to increase lol
    22AnonymousSep 19, 2026 05:31
    If AI needed just as many staff to maintain as the existing jobs it replaces, it wouldn't even catch on in the first place — companies would just keep doing it themselves.
    Replacing existing jobs while keeping the total amount of work constant requires more demand and consumption than before, but with AI lately, supply is clearly overshooting with no healthy outlet to absorb it, so all that supply just keeps pouring into replacing existing fields instead.
    23AnonymousSep 19, 2026 07:11
    So which countries are actually expected to see job growth then? Are there even any?
    24AnonymousSep 19, 2026 07:34
    Re: #23
    Probably those Gulf countries that keep building AI data centers one after another?
    They're not just building data centers either — nuclear plants too…
    25AnonymousSep 19, 2026 09:23
    If you hand company management over to AI,
    the first thing to get eliminated is the human management layer.
    After all, AI has no personal ambition.
    28AnonymousSep 19, 2026 09:59
    Of course human jobs shrink as AI advances.
    Bank employees already need fewer people thanks to automation, and once PCs spread, even career-track staff got cut by roughly half, right?
    Hiring is still booming in that hire-a-ton-then-weed-them-out style, but thanks to AI, even licensed professionals probably can't find work.
    29AnonymousSep 19, 2026 10:40
    Washing machines are a good example, right?
    Pick a course and AI runs the fully automatic wash.
    Beep, boop, done — fully automatic delivery.
    Beep, boop, done — fully automatic taxi.
    What else is there?
    37AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:14
    I genuinely worry about people in translation, shogi, and fields like that.
    38AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:34
    Jobs that survive the AI era:
    Professional athletes
    Comedians/entertainers
    Service industries built around human contact in general
    39AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:27
    Re: #38
    First off, all blue-collar jobs survive.
    Any people-facing job done through a screen is toast though.
    I cracked up at the story of a job applicant using an AI avatar for their online interview.
    40AnonymousSep 19, 2026 19:48
    I think only jobs cheaper than AI or robots will survive.

    Background and key points of this debate

    This survey, run by the US’s Pew Research Center in 2026, asked ordinary citizens across 37 countries how they think AI will affect employment in their own country, and the results show that in most countries, including Japan, expectations of ‘job losses’ outweighed expectations of ‘job growth.’ During the Industrial Revolution, mechanization destroyed jobs while also creating new ones, but the thread raised points that set this moment apart from past technological revolutions: ‘AI-driven replacement is outpacing supply, with demand failing to catch up enough to absorb it’ and ‘operating costs like token fees are a barrier to adoption.’ At the same time, some pushed back with the argument that ‘new jobs, like AI maintenance, should emerge,’ and in practice the optimist and pessimist camps talked past each other rather than converging. Worth noting: this survey only captures people’s ‘expectations’ — it’s easy to misread, but actual employment statistics have not confirmed any AI-driven job losses.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread ‘It has come to light that in most of the 37 countries surveyed worldwide, including Japan, people expect ‘AI to cause job losses rather than job growth’.’

  • Red Spider Lilies as Wild Boar Deterrent? Bulb Toxins May Be the Reason — 150m Row Lines a Rice Paddy Levee

    An Asahi Shimbun feature showcased a scene in Kami Town, Miyagi Prefecture, where red spider lilies bloom in a single row stretching about 150 meters along a rice paddy levee. The bulbs of the red spider lily are poisonous, and some locals believe wild boars avoid digging them up because they dislike the toxin. On 5ch’s Science News+ board, posters discussed how the flower is also known as “manjushage” (its Buddhist-sutra name) and the “grave flower,” along with the history of eating the bulbs after removing the poison during the food shortages of the postwar era. Some reacted with amazement — “if it really works, the wisdom of our ancestors is incredible” — while others pushed back, saying “the lilies grow around my field too, and the damage hasn’t changed a bit,” leaving the actual effectiveness up for debate.

    September 19, 2026, 10:00 AM

    Kei Teshirogi

    Along a rice paddy in Hakuji, Kami Town, Miyagi Prefecture, red spider lilies bloom in a single row stretching roughly 150 meters. Their deep red color stands out against a backdrop of bowing rice ears.

    Source: asahi.com / Original article here

    2AnonymousSep 19, 2026 14:10
    Guess someone's about to turn into an oni?! (old folklore says picking these flowers turns you into a demon)
    3AnonymousSep 19, 2026 14:56
    Also known as "manjushage" — back in the day, people would detoxify the bulbs and eat them during famines.
    5AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:27
    They really don't dig up the spots where red spider lilies are planted, huh.
    I went to shoot photos of them at Shiroyama Park in Motegi, Tochigi Prefecture the other day, and sure enough, that's exactly how it was.
    6AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:31
    Don't go "beheading" the flowers with a thin stick (a nod to the old game/superstition about snapping off their heads)
    7AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:37
    So it actually works. Our ancestors' wisdom is no joke.
    8AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:38
    Also known as the "grave flower."
    10AnonymousSep 19, 2026 16:54
    Seems like they could just step over it if it's only along the paddy path.
    Maybe it's the smell?
    Why not extract the active compound and spray it around instead
    28AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:35
    If we used AI to develop a drug, couldn't we make poison bait that only affects these pest animals?

    Deregulate it, use AI to develop poison bait that works exclusively on pest species, and completely wipe out things like muntjac deer, raccoons, and masked palm civets — animals that shouldn't even be in Japan — down to zero with dedicated poison.
    33AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:01
    Re: #28
    That kind of species-specific targeting isn't realistic.
    It might be possible if the gap were as big as mammals versus birds or reptiles (and even that would be pretty tough, mind you).
    Generally speaking, mammals aren't all that different from each other at that level — that's exactly why pig organs can be used in humans.
    Bacteria or viruses can sometimes be species-selective, but a drug that works on wild boars and deer while being completely harmless to every other mammal? Basically impossible.
    29AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:39
    Guess they can actually tell it's poisonous, huh.
    32AnonymousSep 19, 2026 17:54
    Sounds fishy.
    Wild boars would probably just eat it, poison and all.
    And then die from it.
    37AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:11
    We've got a ton of red spider lilies blooming on the bank of our field, but the damage to the field hasn't changed one bit lol
    43AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:18
    Re: #37
    Well, they wouldn't dig up the spots where the lilies are planted, lol. If there's no lily there and some other crop is planted instead, they'll dig that up, right?
    38AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:11
    That's naive — they'll even steal and eat raw taro despite the toxins.
    39AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:15
    Raw taro isn't actually toxic.
    40AnonymousSep 19, 2026 18:15
    In postwar Japan, during the food shortages, people ate red spider lily bulbs.

    The reason they're seen all over the place despite being toxic (toxic enough to cause fatal accidents) is partly because they also served as a last-resort emergency food.

    Background and Discussion Points

    The red spider lily (manjushage) contains toxic alkaloids such as lycorine, and because moles and rats are said to dislike its bulbs, it has long been planted along paddy paths and at the borders of graveyards. There are records of people detoxifying and eating the bulbs as emergency food during the postwar food shortages, and the nickname “grave flower” mentioned in the comments also stems from this toxicity. That said, the article’s claim of “zero digging damage” is based on observations at one particular paddy field, and it’s worth noting that the spots where the lilies grow may simply have had nothing worth digging up in the first place — so correlation shouldn’t be mistaken for a genuine repellent effect. The thread also drifted into a proposal to use AI to develop poison bait that would target only specific invasive species, but posters pointed out that since mammals are physiologically quite similar to one another, developing a drug that selectively affects only certain species is unrealistic in practice — highlighting the gap between the simple idea and biological constraints.

    *This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Science News+) thread “Red Spider Lilies as Wild Boar Deterrent? Bulb Toxins as Repellent? Digging Damage Down to Zero.”