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Dragon Quest’s new spell “Behoimu” has arrived as a mid-tier healing spell slotting in between Behoimi and Behoma, sparking debate on 5ch’s Hardware/Industry board over “why is everyone hating on this?”
The thread covered everything from how easily confused the name is with Behoimi, to recent spell-naming trends like Magic Barrier and Bagimucho, to how the spell addresses HP inflation in versions like the HD-2D remake — with opinions split for and against.
What people said
Wouldn't it be fine to have one more stat-scaled single-target heal slotted in before Behoma?
The only Dragon Quest spell name I can think of that's actually hated is Bagimucho.
Re: #3
Part of the backlash is also that "Magic Barrier" is just plain English.
Part of the backlash is also that "Magic Barrier" is just plain English.
Re: #5
And this is smack in the middle of all the coined spell names Horii dreamed up out of love for Wizardry.
And this is smack in the middle of all the coined spell names Horii dreamed up out of love for Wizardry.
Re: #5
Mahoton
Mahokanta
Mahotora
Mahosute
Mahokite
— they all matched, and then suddenly it's "Magic Barrier"…
Since it's basically the magic version of Fubaha, they could've just called it Mahobaha or something.
Mahoton
Mahokanta
Mahotora
Mahosute
Mahokite
— they all matched, and then suddenly it's "Magic Barrier"…
Since it's basically the magic version of Fubaha, they could've just called it Mahobaha or something.
Too much hassle, I'll just stick with Behomara.
I wish they'd design the story around three tiers being just the right amount.
It's not hated — you're the one people hate for starting this thread.
It's confusing with Behoimi, and bumping everything up to four tiers is starting to feel like overkill.
Re: #10
You can't tell from the name alone whether it's stronger or weaker than Behoimi.
You can't tell from the name alone whether it's stronger or weaker than Behoimi.
Spells should've stuck with the 5-character name limit.
Just slapping the English word on there as-is is so over.
Even Super Saiyan only goes up to 3, and there are only 3 kinds of Metal Slime.
Mera, Meramy, Merazoma work great as a trio — bumping it to 4 tiers would just feel wrong.
Re: #19
Meragaia sounds way too uncool. Iogrande's fine, I guess. But Bagimucho makes you wonder if they're even trying anymore.
Meragaia sounds way too uncool. Iogrande's fine, I guess. But Bagimucho makes you wonder if they're even trying anymore.
Forget the new spell — they need to deal with Hyadain first (a musician who took his stage name from DQ's ice-spell line).
Re: #7
A group-cast spell that got wiped from existence entirely… and there was a DQ-obsessed artist who went and took that very name for himself lol
A group-cast spell that got wiped from existence entirely… and there was a DQ-obsessed artist who went and took that very name for himself lol
Behoimi heals 80 — got it. Behoma is a full heal — got it. Behomara heals about 80 to the whole party — that one I don't get.
Would "Behoimy" not have worked?
Would "Behoimy" not have worked?
These days there's also:
Lightning-Fast Meragaia
Raging Gale Bagimucho
Ice Block Mahyadedosu
Chain-Cast Dorumadon
Exploding Doganutarosu
Lightning-Fast Meragaia
Raging Gale Bagimucho
Ice Block Mahyadedosu
Chain-Cast Dorumadon
Exploding Doganutarosu
Re: #28
Majirumba Samba! (a joke name mashing up "Majin" with the dances rumba and samba)
Majirumba Samba! (a joke name mashing up "Majin" with the dances rumba and samba)
Re: #28
There's more:
"Bagi, Sealed Since Ancient Times"
There's more:
"Bagi, Sealed Since Ancient Times"
Re: #28
This is a case of not knowing about Flashing Begiragon.
On the flip side, Bomie blends right in like it's always been there, no weirdness at all.
Zao makes sense functionally — you need revival available from low levels or it's a real problem.
This is a case of not knowing about Flashing Begiragon.
On the flip side, Bomie blends right in like it's always been there, no weirdness at all.
Zao makes sense functionally — you need revival available from low levels or it's a real problem.
Honestly, just give me a group-heal version of Behoimu.
Re: #29
Yeah, and a group-cast version of Hoimi would be nice too.
Yeah, and a group-cast version of Hoimi would be nice too.
Zao caught me off guard too 🤭
Re: #31
Zao's a must-have — a revival spell that fails one out of three times would be brutal that early in the game.
Zao's a must-have — a revival spell that fails one out of three times would be brutal that early in the game.
Old-school fans just think, "Isn't Behoma good enough?"
Re: #41
But the second enemies start casting Behoma too, you'd be the first one calling it a trash game, right?
But the second enemies start casting Behoma too, you'd be the first one calling it a trash game, right?
Re: #1
Can't be helped — HP caps hit 999 now…
Hoimi and Behoimi barely heal 100 HP at best.
Even Behoimu only heals around 160-180 HP, you know?
If the series keeps going like this, it's obvious they'll need new mid-to-high-tier healing spells, right?
Even some random kid could've predicted that after Behoimu we'd get something like "Behoime" or "Behoimo" next.
Can't be helped — HP caps hit 999 now…
Hoimi and Behoimi barely heal 100 HP at best.
Even Behoimu only heals around 160-180 HP, you know?
If the series keeps going like this, it's obvious they'll need new mid-to-high-tier healing spells, right?
Even some random kid could've predicted that after Behoimu we'd get something like "Behoime" or "Behoimo" next.
Re: #43
These days even Priests routinely break 1000 HP, don't they?
These days even Priests routinely break 1000 HP, don't they?
Re: #43
Shin Megami Tensei V also caps HP at 999, and that game's balance is just fine.
Shin Megami Tensei V also caps HP at 999, and that game's balance is just fine.
I think Dragon Quest X uses Behoimu a lot.
Re: #51
Was about to write that myself and got beaten to it.
Since player HP has inflated so much, it's handy for when Behomara alone can't heal enough.
Was about to write that myself and got beaten to it.
Since player HP has inflated so much, it's handy for when Behomara alone can't heal enough.
I think the HD-2D remake of DQ1 would be pretty brutal without Behoimu.
Re: #54
There being no other way to heal is one thing, but what really gets me is how long it takes to learn it.
How long are they gonna make us rely on Rihoimi?
There being no other way to heal is one thing, but what really gets me is how long it takes to learn it.
How long are they gonna make us rely on Rihoimi?
Bagimucho sounds just like Karamucho (the spicy potato chip brand).
Also, other final-boss names I'm not a fan of:
Pisaro, Orgodemira, that sort of thing —
they sound Italian, or Portuguese, or Mexican, or Spanish, whatever,
but that modern-sounding vibe just doesn't sit right with me.
Also, other final-boss names I'm not a fan of:
Pisaro, Orgodemira, that sort of thing —
they sound Italian, or Portuguese, or Mexican, or Spanish, whatever,
but that modern-sounding vibe just doesn't sit right with me.
Re: #67
Bashirura: "I've been forgiven" (Bashirura is DQ's infamous spell that randomly teleports party members away — long reviled, but forgiven now by comparison)
Bashirura: "I've been forgiven" (Bashirura is DQ's infamous spell that randomly teleports party members away — long reviled, but forgiven now by comparison)
Re: #70
For what it's worth, the single-target version is called Mahobaria.
For what it's worth, the single-target version is called Mahobaria.
Re: #72
When it first showed up in DQ7, there was no Mahobaria though.
When it first showed up in DQ7, there was no Mahobaria though.
Honestly, Behoma's MP cost makes no sense. In Atlus games, the equivalent spell costs two or three times as much.
Re: #91
On top of that, it eats up one of your precious skill slots, so you end up figuring a Gem item will do just fine instead.
On top of that, it eats up one of your precious skill slots, so you end up figuring a Gem item will do just fine instead.
*This article is compiled from excerpts and a summary of the 5ch (Hardware/Industry, aka “Geha”) thread “[DQ] Behoimu: “A single-target healing spell between Behoimi and Behoma” — why is this getting so much hate?.”
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