“Skip the Company Drinking Party, Kiss Your Promotion Goodbye” — 5ch Debate Splits Opinion

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The story

A post claiming that “anyone who skips the company drinking party doesn’t understand how organizations work” sparked a wide-ranging debate on 5ch about the link between promotions and attending after-work drinking sessions (nomikai). Some argued that evaluations hinge less on competence than on whether you’re liked by your boss, while others shot back that this amounts to harassment. Commenters noted that the old culture of forcing people to down drinks in one go (ikki-nomi) has faded since deaths from acute alcohol poisoning became a social problem, with more companies now making attendance optional. Still, plenty of pragmatic voices chimed in with takes like “you don’t have to come, but your evaluation will suffer” and “just grit your teeth for two hours” — and in the end, no consensus was reached.

What people said

1AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:17
The people who get promoted at a company aren't the ones who are good at their jobs — they're the ones who are trusted and whom others want to pull up with them.
Whether you see drinking parties as a waste of time or as an investment in connections and trust,
that difference in mindset is exactly what separates who gets promoted from who doesn't.
2AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:18
Re: #1
Corporate lapdog lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo
10AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:21
Re: #2
You're just a stray dog then
3AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:18
So it's better to drink with clients instead, huh?
5AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:19
Eating meals or drinking with other people just isn't fun for me
6AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:20
You're free to skip the drinking party

But then you can't complain if you don't get a good position,
your boss doesn't warm up to you, or you don't get evaluated well as a result
7AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:20
Re: #6
That's harassment, you know
8AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:21
Don't company drinking parties basically not exist anymore anyway?
9AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:21
Re: #7
That kind of idealistic talk doesn't fly
That's just what a company is
12AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:22
Re: #9
What you're saying doesn't hold up anymore
Excluding shady companies ('black' kigyo), of course
11AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:21
The smart ones who actually understand how organizations work
show up to the drinking party without a second thought
13AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:22
Re: #12
Anyone can spout idealistic nonsense
18AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:23
Re: #13
Oh, so you admit it's a shady company then
14AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:22
Nobody feels sorry for a stray dog with no collar, even if it gets beaten to death
15AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:22
If it's a place you can stay at until retirement, a modest career with no big promotions is fine by me
19AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:24
Just showing up to the drinking party gives you that 'we ate from the same pot' camaraderie — such a cheap way to buy goodwill
20AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:26
Everyone should be evaluated equally whether or not they come to the drinking party!
Getting marked down for it is harassment!

Lol, sounds exactly like the kind of idealistic nonsense you'd hear from someone who's never actually held a job
21AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:26
It's a good era now that nobody forces you into drinking parties
Back in the day, turning one down could get you threatened, frozen out of work, and in the worst cases pushed into quitting
22AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:27
So annoying that our department head, who came up through sales but now works a desk job, still forces golf on the rest of us desk workers too
23AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:29
I invited a subordinate to a Hello! Project (idol group) concert and got called out for harassment, took a pay cut over it
24AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:31
Obviously if you actually go to the drinking party and show the person who's rating you what kind of person you are and what your strengths are, you're more likely to get promoted
You shouldn't even have to think about it to get that
27AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:32
Tunnels (a comedy duo) had a song called 'Ikki!' ('Chug it!'), and that was basically the normal mindset for everyone back then.
These days that would be alcohol harassment ('aruhara')

>For the lightweights who can't drink — rough 'em up, don't let them off with just a token sip
38AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:54
Re: #27
And then deaths from acute alcohol poisoning became a social problem
so the world shifted toward not forcing drinks on people who can't handle it
29AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:43
It's fine if you're communicating well in other ways, but the type who absolutely refuses to ever show up usually isn't
32AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:47
Honestly, the whole 'I don't want to go to the drinking party' mindset is kind of a mystery to me
If you're on good terms with the people you work with, the drinking party ends up being a perfectly fun time anyway
34AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:49
Re: #32
Once your seniority, department, or position changes, that often stops being true though
33AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:48
No matter how many arguments you line up, I'm never going, idiot
35AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:51
There's no way things run smoothly with someone who can't even show up to a drinking party
Though if all you do is simple grunt work, I guess it doesn't matter either way
36AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:52
A drinking party's over in two hours tops, so just grit your teeth through it
Nobody's going to complain these days if you skip the after-party anyway
48AnonymousOct 17, 2026 12:04
Re: #36
If it's just that much, don't whine about people skipping it
37AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:53
At the end of the day, this is just whining from socially awkward people who can't score points at drinking parties
If going gets you in your boss's good graces, skipping it is just leaving value on the table
39AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:54
I don't know if you'll ever get there, but you'll understand why drinking parties matter once you become a manager yourself
Say Sales Section 1 has drinking parties and Sales Section 2 doesn't — Section 1 posts better numbers for the company, and it's Section 1's section chief who's getting promoted to department head, guaranteed
Section 2 just ends up a dumping ground full of childish subordinates who flocked there specifically because they heard there were no drinking parties
41AnonymousOct 17, 2026 11:55
For someone who's already good at navigating office politics, a company drinking party is an absurdly easy win
56AnonymousOct 17, 2026 13:06
Competent people don't need to go to drinking parties
The problem is incompetent people take that at face value from some competent guy's livestream, copy the same move, and end up never getting a good evaluation and falling behind
61AnonymousOct 17, 2026 13:21
If every single employee were super competent, you wouldn't need drinking parties at all
But when a company's full of incompetent people who can't communicate well with each other, you need something like a forced drinking party just to get enough communication flowing for work to run smoothly

Background and Key Points of This Debate

The relationship between attending in-house drinking parties and personnel evaluations is a legally murky area. The 2020 amended Act on Comprehensive Promotion of Labor Policies (Japan’s anti-power-harassment law) classifies forcing employees to attend drinking parties with no genuine business necessity, or penalizing them for not attending, as harassment — which is likely the context behind the thread comment “that’s harassment, you know.” That said, since drinking parties are themselves voluntary and outside working hours, there’s no regulation directly stating that evaluations can’t be lowered simply because someone didn’t attend, and actual evaluation criteria vary widely from company to company. The fact that the thread never reached a consensus reflects just that: how evaluation systems are actually run differs so much from company to company that there’s no single right answer. It’s also worth keeping in mind, as background to this debate, that the culture of forcing people to drink was reexamined after deaths from acute alcohol poisoning became a recognized social problem.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Hello! Project board) thread “Anyone who skips the company drinking party clearly doesn’t understand how organizations work lmaooooo.”

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