Why Work If Not for Money? 5ch: ‘The Sense of Fulfillment Is Insane’

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The story

A thread titled “What’s a reason to work besides earning money?” popped up on 5ch’s Niche VIP board. Responding to the question of why people keep working even when they have enough money to live comfortably, posters offered everything from “social participation” and a sense of “moving forward” fostering mental stability, to simply “everyone’s values are different.” The exchange that drew the most attention came from a poster who said they’d spent 15 years as a NEET (not in education, employment, or training) before returning to work, declaring “the sense of fulfillment is insane” — prompting other users to repeatedly ask what made them decide to start working again. One poster working as a karaoke parlor clerk also shared firsthand experience of how interacting with customers eased their sense of loneliness.

What people said

1AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:45
Not talking about celebrities or business owners here, just your average worker.
3AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:47
In Christian countries labor is seen as a punishment,
but Japan's a country where work is treated as a virtue.
7AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:48
Re: #3
What a boring country.
8AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:48
If you've got money, you don't necessarily need to work.
12AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:49
Re: #8
That's what I think too, but apparently some people disagree, so
I want to know why.
15AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:49
Re: #12
I mean, isn't that just because everyone's values are different?
145AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:36
Re: #12
For most people work is just the best way to get social participation and a sense of fulfillment.
Sure, plenty of jobs don't suit that, but if you don't need the money you can pick whatever job you want.
10AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:48
I work at a karaoke place — probably because I get to talk with JS/JC/JK/JD (slang for elementary/middle/high school/college-age girls).
14AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:49
Re: #10
Would you keep doing it even if you won the lottery?
21AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:51
Re: #14
I'd keep at it for now, that's separate from the money.
17AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:50
Hard to say for sure since it depends on the person's standard of living, but I'd guess it's for retirement.
19AnonymousOct 16, 2026 17:50
Re: #17
That's still about money in the end though.
68AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:12
15 years.
Working really does tie into mental stability.
73AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:14
Re: #68
Coming back after 15 years as a NEET is seriously impressive.
79AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:16
Re: #68
What were you doing with yourself for those 15 years?
71AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:13
Humans can't feel happy without some sense they're improving or moving forward.
Society provides that automatically, at least halfway.
76AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:15
Re: #71
Then what about a job that's the same repetitive thing every day?
If there's no raise, does just getting a paycheck every month give you that sense of progress?
85AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:18
Re: #76
That's why I said "halfway."
It won't happen unless you actually seek it out yourself.
In most cases it does provide that though.

Re: #79
I was on VIP (5ch's Niche VIP board) every single day though.
91AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:20
Re: #85
Most jobs don't provide that at all.
You just repeat the same thing until retirement.
104AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:24
Re: #85
After being a NEET that long, what made you want to work?
99AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:23
Even with all that free time, all I did was browse VIP and play games, so it was truly empty.
I just kept flushing my time down the drain.
106AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:24
Re: #99
So what do you do with your time outside work these days?
108AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:25
Re: #106
Take care of my kid and cat.
113AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:26
Re: #108
You've got a kid and a cat, so you've probably got a wife too, right?
If you got like 500 million yen, wouldn't not working sound more fun?
116AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:26
Re: #108
What kind of job works out that well?
105AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:24
Right now I genuinely have an insane amount of mental fulfillment.
Seriously, working is better.
110AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:25
Re: #105
How'd you talk your way through the interview?
111AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:25
Re: #105
Guess you were just cut out for work.
115AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:26
Re: #110
I just said it straight.
117AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:27
Re: #115
How'd you even pass with that lol.
119AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:27
Re: #115
So what led to you becoming a NEET for 15 years in the first place?
125AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:28
Re: #119
I stopped being able to go to high school.
133AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:31
Re: #125
That's rough.
Not even close to being one of those "high-education NEETs."
134AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:31
Re: #125
What kind of job lets you get by after 15 years as a NEET?
135AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:31
No, I can tell from the way you talk.
You're just like me.
I think society just looks huge from where you're standing.
Once you jump in, you realize it's not that big a deal.
138AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:32
Re: #135
Yeah, exactly — OP's probably scared but wants to convince himself he isn't, so he's putting on this tough act.
139AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:32
Re: #135
I actually worked full-time for a few years at one point.
But it suddenly started feeling pointless.
With this face, a girlfriend or marriage isn't happening anyway.
142AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:33
Re: #141
When did I ever say it crosses the line between customer and clerk?
144AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:35
Re: #142
You said interacting with customers makes the loneliness go away, so it just freaked me out a little lol.
147AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:36
Re: #144
Well, customers are people, not robots, so of course it eases the loneliness somewhat — especially at a karaoke place, since customers come there to have fun, they often strike up conversation with me first.
149AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:37
Re: #147
Yeah, there really are people who chat up karaoke staff lol.
I always figured the staff found it annoying.
150AnonymousOct 16, 2026 18:38
Re: #147
Honestly, it's impressive that doing customer service hasn't made you see customers as just lumps of meat.

Background and Key Points of This Topic

Whether a reason to work can be reduced entirely to “for the money” is a question psychology has long debated under the distinction between “extrinsic motivation” and “intrinsic motivation,” and the disagreement in this thread is really an extension of that same debate. The point that social participation and keeping a daily rhythm contribute to mental stability is reasonable on its own, but it’s worth noting that the fulfillment described by the poster who returned to work after 15 years of unemployment is, after all, just one anonymous forum user’s personal account — not a prescription that applies to everyone. It’s also worth noting that the position “if you have money, you don’t need to work” and the position “there’s still a reason to work” aren’t necessarily contradictory; the thread’s talking-past-each-other likely comes from mixing up two separate axes — financial necessity versus having a sense of purpose.

※This article is compiled as an excerpt and summary of the 5ch (Niche VIP) thread “What’s a reason to work besides earning money?.”

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