Uehara Koji’s Picks for “Top 3 Aces Since the Heisei Era” — Saito Masaki, Saito Kazumi, Tanaka Masahiro — Spark Debate

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Uehara Koji naming Saito Masaki, Saito Kazumi, and Tanaka Masahiro as his “Top 3 Aces Since the Heisei Era” became a hot topic on 5ch.

In the thread, commenters pushed back one after another in favor of Nomo Hideo, Darvish Yu, and Yamamoto Yoshinobu, opinions split over whether an “ace” should be judged by win totals or by quality of pitching, and the conversation eventually derailed into a debate over NPB’s popularity in the 1980s.

What people said

1AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:10
Nomo, Darvish, and Yamamoto, right? 😅
6AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:14
Win totals don't even matter, do they
64AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:13
Re: #6
Wins and losses matter most, though
106AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:34
Re: #6
Even pitchers who supposedly get "zero run support" rarely actually get zero — usually they get handed a 1- or 2-run lead and immediately cough it right back up. Kanamaru's the textbook case.
11AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:19
More than anything, my image of an "ace" is the guy who's the top of the rotation for years, going head-to-head with the other team's ace over and over — Nomo, Matsuzaka, Darvish, that type. In that sense, I didn't watch it live, but Egawa in '81-'82 was insane — he kept facing the other team's #1 starter nonstop and completed almost every game.
12AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:21
Re: #11
Baseball's popularity was at its lowest point while that guy was actually playing, though
14AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:25
Re: #12
No need to force yourself to sound like an expert
13AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:23
Re: #12
The '80s were when baseball was at its most popular. What are you even talking about?
17AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:27
Re: #13
After Oh and Nagashima retired, the stars were gone and things got gloomy. That was the Giants' "dark age," right? Popularity only picked back up once Matsui showed up.
28AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:42
Re: #17
People were sick of the Giants dominating everything during their V9 run — once the tables turned and Hiroshima rose up, players outside the Giants started getting nationwide popularity too. The late '70s through the '80s were the golden age of NPB popularity.
40AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:55
Re: #17
What world are you living in where the Giants had no popularity between the O-N retirement and Matsui joining? That gap WAS the peak.
16AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:27
Darvish and Yamamoto both got hit hard in pretty important spots, though
20AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:30
Re: #16
Guys like that show up every year. Same level as Tigers pitchers like Murakami or Takahashi. If you don't win 20 games, you're not an ace.
21AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:30
Re: #16
Both of them ended up pitching in the World Series though. Judging them just by the "got hit hard" impression is tunnel vision.
22AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:31
The "will never bring up Ohtani" guy
32AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:45
Re: #22
Is there actually anyone who'd bring up Ohtani here?
35AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:49
Re: #22
Nobody would bring him up
68AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:15
Re: #22
How much has he even pitched? He's supposedly a pitcher first, but he hasn't held down a rotation spot for the Dodgers three years running.
24AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:36
Saito Kazumi really only had 2 full seasons though. You can't put him in the same tier as Saito Masaki or Tanaka Ma-kun. Honestly Uehara himself would be more deserving. Is this guy tough on others but underrates himself too?
74AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:16
Re: #24
It's about substance, not stats. Saito Kazumi WAS the word "dominant" in pitcher form. I also think he's the number one since Heisei.
26AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:42
The Big Five aces: Nomo, Darvish, Ma-kun, Yamamoto, and Matsuzaka
30AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:44
The fact that Imanaka gets brought up as another candidate suggests people are going more by the "image" of an ace. But if that's the criteria, I'd think Darvish should qualify even more.
75AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:17
Re: #30
Darvish doesn't even have a league-leading win total. Even Aoyagi has won it twice.
33AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:46
Re: #28
Nah, that's only true for part of it. What were Pacific League attendance numbers like?
67AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:14
Re: #33
Lol, so you're admitting the Central League was at its peak
110AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:37
Re: #33
During the Giants' V9 era, the Pacific League was basically treated as a punching bag reserved for the All-Star Game and Japan Series — about as unpopular as it gets.
36AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:49
Funny how Kudo and Yamamoto Masa — guys who never come up first in these conversations — actually have the most wins in recent memory.
39AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:55
Re: #36
Kudo I get — he was a genuine ace for Daiei. But with Yamamoto Masa, you just can't shake the "second option" feel. Part of that's on the Chunichi Dragons too, honestly, since you can name better pitchers than him for pretty much any stretch of time.
37AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:51
Classic case of just wanting someone to say "You'd make the list too, Uehara-san"
50AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:03
Re: #37
🤣🤣🤣
38AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:51
Is leaving out Darvish just jealousy?
80AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:18
Re: #38
Darvish isn't quite on that level
41AnonymousAug 24, 2026 22:57
Not mentioning Matsuzaka is so on-brand for Uehara, it's great
49AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:02
Re: #41
Very fitting for Uehara, who's clearly still super jealous of Matsuzaka
90AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:21
I think Yamamoto Yoshinobu is the greatest pitcher ever. The overall level is higher now than it was back in Darvish's prime.
95AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:23
Re: #90
Back in Yoshinobu's day there weren't any decent hitters in the Pacific League though
96AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:23
Re: #95
I'm talking about after he went to MLB
97AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:24
Re: #95
Ah, so that explains why prime Kaneko Chihiro felt more like Orix's true ace
91AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:21
Re: #83
Both Sugano and Uehara — don't you feel like a Giants ace needs one or two more years at that level? They're just a bit short of being the clear face of an era.
94AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:23
Re: #91
If neither Sugano nor Uehara can be candidates, then there's nobody else left
113AnonymousAug 24, 2026 23:40
Re: #91
Same goes for Togo and Yamazaki Iori. Though Togo looks like he might be bouncing back this year.

Background and Key Points

Uehara Koji is himself one of the pitchers this question is really about: a former Yomiuri Giants and Rakuten ace who won the 2002 Sawamura Award (NPB’s Cy Young equivalent) before reinventing himself as a closer in MLB, most famously nailing down the 2013 World Series for the Red Sox. The “Heisei era” he’s ranking spans 1989–2019, the stretch in which NPB shifted from a self-contained league into a pitcher pipeline for MLB. His three picks: Saito Masaki, the Waseda “Handkerchief Prince” of the 2006 Koshien final who became Nippon-Ham’s ace; Saito Kazumi, a Giants right-hander remembered for an extremely short but statistically overpowering peak; and Tanaka Masahiro, who went 24-0 for Rakuten in 2013 before joining the Yankees. The names posters wanted instead — Nomo Hideo, who broke the posting-system path to MLB in 1995, Darvish Yu, and current Dodgers ace Yamamoto Yoshinobu — represent a more MLB-facing, “faced the world’s best” idea of what an ace is.

The thread’s real fault line is definitional: does “ace” require a heavy win total (the camp that disqualifies Darvish, who never led NPB in wins, and doubts Saito Kazumi’s two-season peak), or does it mean pure dominance regardless of longevity or run support? That same split is why commenters kept nominating Uehara himself even though his list excludes him.

What’s easy to miss without NPB background: the 1980s tangent is a Central League vs. Pacific League argument in disguise — the Pacific League drew poorly and was treated as a sideshow outside the All-Star break and Japan Series, while the Giants kept national ratings high even after Oh and Nagashima retired. The thread also never mentions that Uehara’s list conspicuously snubs Matsuzaka Daisuke, his long-time rival, which several posters clearly read as a pointed omission rather than an oversight.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Uehara Koji: “The 3 Big Aces Since Heisei Are "Saito-Masa" Kazumi "Tanaka Ma"” ← Wait, what?“.

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