Saint Seiya “Weakest Gold Saint” Debate — 5ch: “15 Hits? That’s Just Waiting for You to Surrender”

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A claim that “Milo might be the weakest Gold Saint” in Saint Seiya sparked a lively debate on 5ch’s Nandemo Jikkyo G board.

Starting from whether it’s really fair that his Antares needs 15 hits to finish an enemy off, the thread spiraled into Death Mask’s fitness for the Underworld, Aiolos’s lack of named techniques, and even a “weakest four” theory covering Cancer, Pisces, Taurus, and Scorpio.

What people said

1AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:14
So apparently he can't beat an enemy unless he lands 15 hits or something?
6AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:17
"Guaranteed to kill after 15 hits" sounds strong on paper, but you'd die just as dead from 15 hits of Rozan Shouryuuha (Rising Dragon), too.
15AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:25
Re: #6
Re: #1
The 15 hits are just him waiting for you to surrender. If he actually wanted to, he could land Antares on the very first strike.
90AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:07
Re: #6
The same move doesn't work twice on a Saint, you know.
10AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:20
Isn't Death Mask basically an instant win as long as he manages to send you to the afterlife?
12AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:22
Re: #10
When you remember a Gold Saint's real job is fighting the Underworld, that "technique" turns out to be completely useless.
13AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:24
Come to think of it, is Death Mask — who's totally fine going to the Underworld — the only Gold Saint who can fight a Specter on equal footing?
40AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:34
Re: #13
Uh, Shaka exists.
43AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:36
Re: #13
Everyone's fine once inside the Underworld. You only get debuffed if your Cloth hasn't received Athena's blood at the castle just before the entrance.
18AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:27
Wait, why would Saints based on Greek mythology send anyone to Yomotsu Hirasaka (the gateway to Japan's underworld) in the first place? Just use Tartarus or something.
21AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:29
Re: #18
That's the limit of creator Kurumada-sensei's mythology knowledge.
28AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:32
Re: #18
Well, there's Shaka (Buddha) too. Greek gods run the show in that world, but Asian religions seem to have their own separate thing going on apart from the gods — not totally clear how, though.
77AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:01
Re: #18
Let's not start trash-talking Krishna and his whole Kundalini speech…
23AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:30
Didn't Greek mythology have something like the Izanami and Izanagi story too?
25AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:31
Re: #23
You're thinking of the tale of Orpheus, the strongest Silver Saint.
26AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:31
Normally a move stops working once the opponent's seen it, yet this guy needs a full 15 hits to close the deal? What a scrub.
32AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:33
Re: #26
Only needing 15 hits to land sounds easy enough. Lightning Bolt takes way more attempts than that.
29AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:32
He's only splitting it into 15 hits out of mercy, to give the enemy a chance to surrender — he could finish it in one shot if he wanted.
41AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:34
Re: #29
Exactly. That's purely Milo's mercy talking — he's choosing to spread it over 15 hits.
36AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:34
Was Afrodite actually being toyed with? Wasn't that the first time Shun — who never does anything but toy with people — fought seriously from the very start?
46AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:39
Re: #36
Shun, who's secretly the strongest, was using Nebula Storm, so yeah, he's no pushover.
42AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:35
In the end they all got broken through anyway, so they lost, right?
49AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:41
Re: #42
More like Milo wasn't entirely against letting them through. The only ones who truly meant to stop them were maybe Cancer, Shaka, and Afrodite?
59AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:52
Re: #42
To begin with, half of them already suspected the Pope, so they weren't even defending seriously.
50AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:42
Back when this ran in the magazine, there were probably kids who genuinely thought Unicorn (Jabu) was going to be the rival character.
84AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:06
Re: #50
Thought he'd turn out like Kenzaki from Ring ni Kakero, but he was Ishimatsu all along… 😞 (both boxing-manga characters — one's a real rival, the other's comic relief)
98AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:10
Re: #50
Pegasus and Unicorn, both horses — it really does read as an obvious rival setup. He probably just flopped in popularity during the first tournament arc and got demoted to background cast.
56AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:51
Capricorn's weak — all he's got is Excalibur, and that basically never lands on anyone of equal rank or higher.
62AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:55
Re: #56
You disrespecting Jumping Stone or something?
61AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:55
Aiolos took a fatal wound from a roughly 10-year-old Shura who wasn't even a Gold Saint yet — he's the weakest.
70AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:58
Re: #61
He was holding baby Athena the entire time, though.
79AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:02
Re: #61
Shura was already a Gold Saint by that point.
64AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:56
Even among the four weakest candidates:
Cancer — can warp to the Underworld
Pisces — can heal
Taurus — can dodge like a turtle
Scorpio — a meathead whose own technique is garbage

that's basically how it shakes out.
76AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:00
Re: #64
Milo gets retconned into some brainless meathead in Soul of Gold and stuff, but if he really were a meathead he wouldn't have let Hyoga through, and he wouldn't have let Kanon off either.
65AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:56
When two Gold Saints fight each other it ends in a stalemate (like a repetition draw in shogi) — even Shaka ended in one, against either Aiolia or Aiolos, I think.
68AnonymousAug 23, 2026 19:57
Re: #65
What's a "stalemate draw" here? What do they do about bathroom breaks?
82AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:05
Well, Aiolos doesn't really have any named techniques.
86AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:06
Re: #82
He's got a minor move called Shadow Arrow that locks down the opponent's movement.
94AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:09
Re: #82
He's got Atomic Thunderbolt, come on.
91AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:07
Sekishiki Meikaiha (Corpse-Mass Underworld Wave) is supposed to be an instant kill and ridiculously strong, yet…
93AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:08
Re: #91
Isn't it basically just a Niflheim situation? (a supposed instant-kill spell that famously fizzles on strong enemies, from Dragon Quest)
97AnonymousAug 23, 2026 20:09
Re: #91
It's just Death Mask himself who's pathetic — every generation's Cancer Saint has been a genuinely strong character.

Background and Key Points

Saint Seiya (known in the West as Knights of the Zodiac) is Masami Kurumada’s Weekly Shonen Jump series from 1986-1990, whose central conceit is that Athena’s strongest bodyguards, the twelve Gold Saints, are each modeled on a zodiac constellation and each guard one of the twelve astrological “houses” leading to her sanctuary. Milo is Scorpio, whose finishing move Scarlet Needle requires driving fifteen strikes into an opponent’s meridian points before the “Antares” kill-strike lands. Death Mask is Cancer, whose Sekishiki Meikaiha technique banishes a foe to a death-like dimension. Aiolos is Sagittarius, killed roughly a decade before the main story while shielding the infant Athena from his own treacherous master. Worth flagging for non-Japanese readers: although the Saints’ cosmology is nominally Greek, the manga freely folds in Shinto and Buddhist elements too, including Yomotsu Hirasaka, the mythic slope to the land of the dead from the Kojiki, and Shaka, whose name is simply the Buddha.

The thread wasn’t actually arguing about a power ranking; it split over whether traits that look like weaknesses (fifteen hits needed, an underworld-themed attack, no flashy named move) are real limitations or just restraint, mercy, or narrative flavor.

What’s easy to miss if you don’t follow the franchise: none of this reflects an official strength tier, and the “weakest Gold Saint” framing is fan speculation the manga never settles, further muddied by how later spin-offs like Soul of Gold have retconned Milo’s characterization into something closer to what several posters push back against here.

*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Is Milo the Weakest Gold Saint?“

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