A dashcam clip showing a passenger car colliding with a truck as it tried to squeeze past the truck’s left side mid-turn has been posted to 5ch, sparking a debate over “who’s really at fault.” Opinions split over the truck’s off-tracking (the wider swing a long vehicle’s rear wheels take on a turn), the timing of its lane-straddling, and exactly when the turn signal came on, with users disagreeing on how the blame should be split.
So who’s in the wrong here?
Source: video.twimg.com / original clip here
The truck's driving line isn't exactly straight either, honestly
>>3
Hint: off-tracking (the rear wheels swinging wide on a turn)
Hint: off-tracking (the rear wheels swinging wide on a turn)
>>3
Have you never driven a car?
Have you never driven a car?
There really are idiots who try to pass on the exact side the blinker's flashing on. Absolutely brain-dead.
>>13
You see this a lot with motorcyclists in videos like this.
You see this a lot with motorcyclists in videos like this.
I could see it with a motorcycle, but doing this in a regular car — trying to pass a big truck on the left while it's mid-left-turn — that's impressive (not in a good way).
>>20
Even on a bike, trying to pass a left-turning vehicle on its left makes no sense.
Even on a bike, trying to pass a left-turning vehicle on its left makes no sense.
>>24
That's my take as a big-bike rider myself — and I say it knowing full well there are plenty of idiot bikers who pull that dangerous move. Bikes getting caught in a vehicle's blind spot mid-turn isn't even rare.
That's my take as a big-bike rider myself — and I say it knowing full well there are plenty of idiot bikers who pull that dangerous move. Bikes getting caught in a vehicle's blind spot mid-turn isn't even rare.
>>32
You should just hand in your license.
You should just hand in your license.
>>32
Wait, did you read "I could see it" as "I can comprehend it," instead of what I meant — that this kind of idiocy is common with bikes but rare with regular cars?
Wait, did you read "I could see it" as "I can comprehend it," instead of what I meant — that this kind of idiocy is common with bikes but rare with regular cars?
>>24
If you put your blinker on early enough, a bike basically never cuts in.
If you put your blinker on early enough, a bike basically never cuts in.
>>29
Most bikers think passing a left-turning vehicle on the left is out of the question, so they see the signal and back off from passing, right? Does that even count as a counterargument?
Most bikers think passing a left-turning vehicle on the left is out of the question, so they see the signal and back off from passing, right? Does that even count as a counterargument?
Isn't that too much swing-out for mere off-tracking, and didn't it go too far forward before actually turning?
>>30
Wouldn't a 4-ton truck need about this much clearance? Bus drivers turn with roughly this much off-tracking too, don't they?
Wouldn't a 4-ton truck need about this much clearance? Bus drivers turn with roughly this much off-tracking too, don't they?
>>71
A 4-tonner or a bus wouldn't need this much. Judging by the steering radius, this looks trailer-sized.
A 4-tonner or a bus wouldn't need this much. Judging by the steering radius, this looks trailer-sized.
>>71
I drive a 4-tonner and I could make this turn without swinging out that far. This is a full-size large truck.
I drive a 4-tonner and I could make this turn without swinging out that far. This is a full-size large truck.
https://imgur.com/a/YCQz1VC
People who are bad at left turns seem like they can't do anything right.
People who are bad at left turns seem like they can't do anything right.
>>36
How do you go from this situation to thinking "I'll just pass while it's turning left!"…
How do you go from this situation to thinking "I'll just pass while it's turning left!"…
This truck had its blinker on from way, way back, so there's a real chance the driver behind it thought it was just a forgotten blinker.
>>38
Of course the blinker should already be on the moment you start straddling the lane to account for off-tracking before a left turn. It'd be weirder to straddle the lane for no reason at all.
Of course the blinker should already be on the moment you start straddling the lane to account for off-tracking before a left turn. It'd be weirder to straddle the lane for no reason at all.
The truck's driving is careful, but it straddled the lane for quite a while, so it probably won't get a clean 100%-fault ruling in its favor. When you straddle a lane to set up a left turn, you need to creep along at minimum speed right up near the intersection, or idiots just won't get it.
>>46
There wasn't even room to pass on the left until right before the intersection anyway.
There wasn't even room to pass on the left until right before the intersection anyway.
>>48
It straddled about half the lane for a good stretch and was moving at decent speed, so yeah, there was a real chance of it being mistaken for a forgotten blinker. If it had clearly slowed down, stuck to the left lane, and crept into the turn, it probably would've gotten the rear-end ruled fully the other car's fault.
It straddled about half the lane for a good stretch and was moving at decent speed, so yeah, there was a real chance of it being mistaken for a forgotten blinker. If it had clearly slowed down, stuck to the left lane, and crept into the turn, it probably would've gotten the rear-end ruled fully the other car's fault.
>>50
Do that and cars start passing on the right instead, and then it can't swing wide at the intersection. Straddling the lane is basically saying "don't come up on either side." The blinker was on properly too, so any normal driver behind should've picked up on that signal.
Do that and cars start passing on the right instead, and then it can't swing wide at the intersection. Straddling the lane is basically saying "don't come up on either side." The blinker was on properly too, so any normal driver behind should've picked up on that signal.
>>66
Then what >>50 is saying doesn't add up.
Then what >>50 is saying doesn't add up.
Straddling the lane from way back — factoring in things like traffic volume in the right lane — can actually be the better call for keeping overall traffic flow smooth, so it's hard to say either way.
>>49
If every single driver were smart, this would probably be the ideal way to drive. Doesn't hurt fuel economy, and it makes it easy for cars behind to merge right without braking. But the painful part is there's always a certain percentage of idiots on public roads, so you have to drive around them too.
If every single driver were smart, this would probably be the ideal way to drive. Doesn't hurt fuel economy, and it makes it easy for cars behind to merge right without braking. But the painful part is there's always a certain percentage of idiots on public roads, so you have to drive around them too.
Bicycles, motorcycles, cars — passing on the left is the root of all this.
>>52
You sound like you'd be a bad driver.
You sound like you'd be a bad driver.
Is cutting it on yellow before a left turn even okay? Do trucks get a pass on that? I mean, it can't finish the turn otherwise.
>>56
If it's necessary to avoid danger or to complete a turn, it doesn't count as running the yellow in the first place, so that's fine.
If it's necessary to avoid danger or to complete a turn, it doesn't count as running the yellow in the first place, so that's fine.
>>55
The problem is that theoretically sound driving doesn't line up with current law and legal precedent. The rule as written basically says "wait however long it takes until you can turn safely," so there's nothing to be done about it.
The problem is that theoretically sound driving doesn't line up with current law and legal precedent. The rule as written basically says "wait however long it takes until you can turn safely," so there's nothing to be done about it.
>>61
You can't make a left turn onto a narrow road in a truck unless you assume the drivers behind you are being smart about it. So what, sit there before the turn until there's nobody behind you? Depending on traffic, you'd never get to turn at all.
You can't make a left turn onto a narrow road in a truck unless you assume the drivers behind you are being smart about it. So what, sit there before the turn until there's nobody behind you? Depending on traffic, you'd never get to turn at all.
>>55
Signaling your intent doesn't mean you can do whatever you want after that. The rule is to pay full attention to your left rear and turn carefully regardless of whether the other driver has actually understood your intent.
Signaling your intent doesn't mean you can do whatever you want after that. The rule is to pay full attention to your left rear and turn carefully regardless of whether the other driver has actually understood your intent.
>>65
That's exactly the "painful" part I was talking about. Read more carefully.
That's exactly the "painful" part I was talking about. Read more carefully.
>>63
It was paying attention. In this video, the car rammed into the gap while the truck was mid-swing. Do you not even know what a left blinker means? It's what you turn on when you're about to turn left. There's no accounting for some idiot who tries to pass on the left of a car that's turning left — that car wasn't even visible in the mirror until the truck started turning.
It was paying attention. In this video, the car rammed into the gap while the truck was mid-swing. Do you not even know what a left blinker means? It's what you turn on when you're about to turn left. There's no accounting for some idiot who tries to pass on the left of a car that's turning left — that car wasn't even visible in the mirror until the truck started turning.
>>68
You're the one making the irregular move of swinging right before a left turn, so it's easy to see how that could turn into "turning left across the path of a car going straight on your right."
You're the one making the irregular move of swinging right before a left turn, so it's easy to see how that could turn into "turning left across the path of a car going straight on your right."
>>76
A large truck doesn't get judged that way.
A large truck doesn't get judged that way.
>>76
A large vehicle swinging right before a left turn is completely normal — is there really someone out there who thinks that's irregular?
A large vehicle swinging right before a left turn is completely normal — is there really someone out there who thinks that's irregular?
>>69
Even driving that's 100% logically justified can still get you assigned partial fault if there's an accident. That's why driving a truck properly, if you actually take it seriously, is genuinely brutal.
Even driving that's 100% logically justified can still get you assigned partial fault if there's an accident. That's why driving a truck properly, if you actually take it seriously, is genuinely brutal.
>>72
Well, obviously lol. When you're driving you just have to pray there are no idiots around you. There's no predicting what an idiot will do.
Well, obviously lol. When you're driving you just have to pray there are no idiots around you. There's no predicting what an idiot will do.
*This article is excerpted and summarized from the 5ch (Nandemo Jikkyo G) thread “Truck: “I’m turning left!” Regular car: “I’m going straight!” ← the result lolololololololol.”
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