A growing number of farmers are closing their unmanned vegetable stands, where customers could buy freshly harvested produce. On top of losses where “no matter how many times I count, the money doesn’t add up,” rumors have even spread that “the tax office is moving in.”
The thread ranged from speculation about who’s responsible, to proposals for switching to coin-locker-style vending machines, to terms describing how thoroughly different industries get taxed, like “kuroyon” and “togosanpin.”
8/22 (Sat) 8:00
Daily Shincho
Being able to buy freshly harvested vegetables is a blessing, but…
Source: topics.smt.docomo.ne.jp / Read the original article here
Those boomer old-timers steal without a second thought, saying it's the stand's own fault for making it 'free to take.'
>>1
Crime keeps rising because idiots who believe 'humans are basically good' keep setting these things up.
Everyone has some evil in their heart.
These idiots are just handing people a stage to show it off.
They're the reason there are more criminals now.
Crime keeps rising because idiots who believe 'humans are basically good' keep setting these things up.
Everyone has some evil in their heart.
These idiots are just handing people a stage to show it off.
They're the reason there are more criminals now.
>>8
The Showa era grew its economy on the belief that people are fundamentally good, you know.
The Showa era grew its economy on the belief that people are fundamentally good, you know.
>>8
You're misunderstanding what 'people are inherently good' (性善説) actually means. It says everyone is born good but can turn bad due to later influences — it acknowledges the existence of evil too. For the sake of Mencius, who died 2,400 years ago, let me stress that point.
You're misunderstanding what 'people are inherently good' (性善説) actually means. It says everyone is born good but can turn bad due to later influences — it acknowledges the existence of evil too. For the sake of Mencius, who died 2,400 years ago, let me stress that point.
The tax office isn't that bored, lol
>>10
They go after whoever's easiest to squeeze. They're too incompetent to touch the people raking it in through asset management.
They go after whoever's easiest to squeeze. They're too incompetent to touch the people raking it in through asset management.
>>35
There are whole industries where you just know nobody's filing taxes. Makes you wonder what the tax office is even looking at.
There are whole industries where you just know nobody's filing taxes. Makes you wonder what the tax office is even looking at.
>>35
Like tutors raking in serious cash — they start it as a side gig but end up pulling in a lot. Same with housewives listed as dependents. Since it's all private, individual work, there's no paper trail. And it's not just tutoring.
Like tutors raking in serious cash — they start it as a side gig but end up pulling in a lot. Same with housewives listed as dependents. Since it's all private, individual work, there's no paper trail. And it's not just tutoring.
If you're serious about running this as a business, go with the coin-locker type.
>>28
Coin-locker type sounds good. Why doesn't everyone just do that?
Coin-locker type sounds good. Why doesn't everyone just do that?
You can tell just by watching people online — Japanese people's character keeps getting worse.
>>68
Even here it's all 'tax evasion' this and 'stop complaining' that — full of insults you can barely stand to read.
Even here it's all 'tax evasion' this and 'stop complaining' that — full of insults you can barely stand to read.
Even rich people shoplift over small change or skip paying their kids' school lunch fees. Farmers work foreigners like slaves too. Feels like Japanese people as a whole have lost their sense of dignity — or shame.
>>74
Enslaving other people was never tied to any sense of shame to begin with — there was no concept of human rights.
Enslaving other people was never tied to any sense of shame to begin with — there was no concept of human rights.
>>1
Isn't it even questionable whether this is humans doing it at all?
Japan's got crows, that bear that's been famous lately, wild boars charging around — plenty of suspects to go around, no?
Isn't it even questionable whether this is humans doing it at all?
Japan's got crows, that bear that's been famous lately, wild boars charging around — plenty of suspects to go around, no?If you're not used to unmanned-stand culture, it's only natural someone might think, 'just take it, and if you feel like it, drop some money in out of the goodness of your heart.'
>>108
Someone unfamiliar with it might just assume it's a 'help yourself, free to take' kind of setup.
Someone unfamiliar with it might just assume it's a 'help yourself, free to take' kind of setup.
>>108
They really should install security cameras.
That said, even free bento shops with security cameras have people trying to cheat the system. You see them getting caught all the time in those TV station YouTube clips.
They really should install security cameras.
That said, even free bento shops with security cameras have people trying to cheat the system. You see them getting caught all the time in those TV station YouTube clips.
>Some people say 'it's foreigners doing this,' but who knows — it might well be locals.
The old geezers on 5ch always spin things to suit themselves, so this is a preemptive warning, lol. They've got us completely figured out, lol.
The old geezers on 5ch always spin things to suit themselves, so this is a preemptive warning, lol. They've got us completely figured out, lol.
>>143
They add that disclaimer because otherwise some people lose it. It's just a stock preface — deep down they probably still think it's foreigners.
They add that disclaimer because otherwise some people lose it. It's just a stock preface — deep down they probably still think it's foreigners.
>>143
There are old folks who convince themselves 'it's probably just B-grade stuff, so I don't need to pay.' People on small pensions or without jobs could be stealing too. If you've got a yard, just grow your own — I bought two 100-yen packs of seeds last year, scattered some cucumber seeds in a corner of my yard, and so far I've harvested and eaten three.
There are old folks who convince themselves 'it's probably just B-grade stuff, so I don't need to pay.' People on small pensions or without jobs could be stealing too. If you've got a yard, just grow your own — I bought two 100-yen packs of seeds last year, scattered some cucumber seeds in a corner of my yard, and so far I've harvested and eaten three.
Just switch to vending machines.
>>218
Vending machines have really increased, huh.
Vending machines have really increased, huh.
>>218
The ones near me are coin-locker-type vending machines. No electricity needed either — this is the best option. You can get blemished peaches, 4 for 200 yen, and they're super popular.
The ones near me are coin-locker-type vending machines. No electricity needed either — this is the best option. You can get blemished peaches, 4 for 200 yen, and they're super popular.
Young people probably don't know this, but there are terms for how well the tax office actually tracks income by occupation: 'kuroyon' (9:6:4) and 'togosanpin' (10:5:3:1). Under kuroyon, 90% of salaried workers' income gets caught, 60% for the self-employed, and 40% for agriculture/forestry/fishing. Under togosanpin, it's 100% for salaried workers, 50% for the self-employed, 30% for agriculture/forestry/fishing, and just 10% for politicians.
>>222
Never heard of it. You an old man or something?
Never heard of it. You an old man or something?
>>222
Correction:
✕ 'gotousanpin'
◯ 'togosanpin'
Correction:
✕ 'gotousanpin'
◯ 'togosanpin'
Why not just sell them through vending machines — the kind where you put in 200 yen and a clear door pops open.
>>278
I heard there are people who force them open, and the repair costs end up being pretty steep.
I heard there are people who force them open, and the repair costs end up being pretty steep.
>>278
I don't feel like buying if I can't actually touch the produce. Honestly, this isn't the kind of business worth sinking equipment investment into anyway.
I don't feel like buying if I can't actually touch the produce. Honestly, this isn't the kind of business worth sinking equipment investment into anyway.
*This article is compiled as an excerpt/summary from the 5ch (News Express+) thread “More farmers are closing their ‘unmanned vegetable stands’ selling freshly harvested produce… alongside losses where ‘no matter how many times I count, the money doesn’t add up,’ rumors are also spreading that ‘the tax office is moving in’.”
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